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VenomJockey

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In your opinion, which is best: "lone wolf," and complete isolation; mini-MAG (10-12 people), or small community MAG? I tend to like the "lone wolf" approach, but it does have disadvantages as any life-threatening injury would likely result in death before you could get help.
 
It depends on whether you are all living together or not and it depends on what is going on. For defensive situations where you are facing marauders, then the more you have the better. If you are only trying to live in place, you need enough people to operate a small farm. So 10-12 adults if only running on manual labor.. I imagine my world would consist of family which could be upwards of 20( most of which can do about anything) and close trustworthy friends, adding about 10 more with additional to outreach. Lone wolf would need to be on the move all the time I think, travel fast when need be, but get sick or injured then you are in a world of hurt.
 
All the kids and there kids live on the property plus an old work hand of my dad, dad gave him a piece of land to retire on and considered family, we have a veterinarian, two triage/flight nurses, ICE agent, deputy sheriff and 4 of us with combat experience. We have over the mini-mag on the property all family
 
I tend toward the lone wolf scenario, but not by choice.

My girlfriend and I live together, and she's an experienced, highly skilled RN.

I do have a few friends and family (many are my former EMS colleagues), but I have difficulty with relationships because I have Asperger's syndrome (a form of high-functioning autism), and I'm socially impaired in a way that makes relating to people very difficult.

This will be a challenge post SHTF, so I'll have to take things as they come.
 
Kevin, I guarantee you that social interactions post SHTF won't be anything like they are now. People will relate more out of necessity than out of nicety.
Thank you.

Part of my issues stem from problems with eye contact, body language, and other things.

People assume that I'm dishonest because of my issues with eye contact, and cops have given me no end of problems (including detaining me, frisking me, etc.) because they believe they're human lie detectors, and my eye contact issues and body language "give me away" as a deceptive individual. I've had similar problems with job interviews.

I can only assume that such things may be more of an issue post SHTF.
 
For hunny and I , we will have a small group of family. . . The kids with 3 grandkids so far, and maybe parents. I know Granny which is my MIL along with hunny's brother and maybe my mom. Guess it all depends on what her new husband wants to do. But then comes a problem because he has 3 kids with kids and grandkids. So not sure what will happen there. Just know what our place is capable of producing and the additions of what we had not planned for is well, just not doable long term unless we did some expanding of the garden area and it is already as big as I am handle as one person right now.
 
Its a group of 18 family and friends for me. I guess I will have to shoot the other 130 that know where I am.
We have an electrician, electrical enginear, medical technician, an RN, an active reservists mechanic. A retired army Lt. That works private security. A welder, a baker and a 2 house wives one of which is an experienced gardner. A useless 19yo and 6 other kids. Myself, a jack of all trades. Most all of us know hunting and fishing, everyone can shoot a firearm. All of the men can do carpentry, plumbing, and semi skiled in most areas. I think we can manage.
 
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@VenomJockey Lone wolf should be looking for a good pack to join. One person will not last too long. As you pointed out, a simple injury (scratch in the middle of the back) and you could buy the farm or be buried in one. I am voting / betting on a multi-generational family MAG. I want to really know the people my life may depend on. In MHO, friends are like dating. For short periods of time, everybody is on their best behavior. For MAG defense, I really want to know how bad they look without the makeup.
 
@VenomJockey Lone wolf should be looking for a good pack to join. One person will not last too long. As you pointed out, a simple injury (scratch in the middle of the back) and you could buy the farm or be buried in one. I am voting / betting on a multi-generational family MAG. I want to really know the people my life may depend on. In MHO, friends are like dating. For short periods of time, everybody is on their best behavior. For MAG defense, I really want to know how bad they look without the makeup.
I have the benefit of knowing what my peeps look like without the makeup, as my girlfriend is a nurse, and some of my other people (few in number) are paramedics and EMTs that I worked with in car accidents, shootings, etc..
 
I have the benefit of knowing what my peeps look like without the makeup, as my girlfriend is a nurse, and some of my other people (few in number) are paramedics and EMTs that I worked with in car accidents, shootings, etc..

You have a solid bunch around you. As for SHTF time, get your peeps together and stay away for those you don't know. By the time it gets really deep, your social issue will not count. Only the folks that know you are going to be around you. You will not be the stranger in a strange land.
 
OK, let me be the bitter pill here...

I think 'lone wolf' is great in movies and sucks in reality. Group size really will vary with the quality of people you meet. I'd rather have a dozen quality individuals over 100 mediocres any day of the year. But the more quality people the better.

But, the bitter pill part. There is not only the people I want to "have on my team", there are a few people that if SHTF, I will make a priority to "take out of the gene pool". I'm not talking about people I have a grudge against (ie former boss, HOA Nazi's, etc). I'm talking about people near my location that I know have meaningful criminal records. Not only do I not want them on 'my team', I know they will be a problem for everyone. I will be judge/jury/executioner if I find them. Survival will be hard enough post SHTF with decent people out there. Hardened criminals will have zero tolerance, there are zero more opportunities in that situation.
 
Thank you.

Part of my issues stem from problems with eye contact, body language, and other things.

People assume that I'm dishonest because of my issues with eye contact, and cops have given me no end of problems (including detaining me, frisking me, etc.) because they believe they're human lie detectors, and my eye contact issues and body language "give me away" as a deceptive individual. I've had similar problems with job interviews.

I can only assume that such things may be more of an issue post SHTF.
Just pretend you are a sociopath and practice the expected behaviors. You'll get along just fine.
 
OK, let me be the bitter pill here...

I think 'lone wolf' is great in movies and sucks in reality. Group size really will vary with the quality of people you meet. I'd rather have a dozen quality individuals over 100 mediocres any day of the year. But the more quality people the better.

But, the bitter pill part. There is not only the people I want to "have on my team", there are a few people that if SHTF, I will make a priority to "take out of the gene pool". I'm not talking about people I have a grudge against (ie former boss, HOA Nazi's, etc). I'm talking about people near my location that I know have meaningful criminal records. Not only do I not want them on 'my team', I know they will be a problem for everyone. I will be judge/jury/executioner if I find them. Survival will be hard enough post SHTF with decent people out there. Hardened criminals will have zero tolerance, there are zero more opportunities in that situation.
Well I gotta say. And this is the hardened look at things. There are givers and takers. Those who are looking for someone to take care of them, either by the government or by other people and you know who they are , those people need to go. If you do not contribute then you are out, no whiners, no slackers, no narcissists or dependent personality types. Luckily nearly everyone I know has an excellent work ethic and that is what is needed. Not people who plan to be catered to and try to work the system. I hate deadbeats. Anyone with a gang tatoo should be immediately eliminated. If something does happen I hope they do not open the jails and prisons.
 
@VenomJockey Lone wolf should be looking for a good pack to join. One person will not last too long. As you pointed out, a simple injury (scratch in the middle of the back) and you could buy the farm or be buried in one. I am voting / betting on a multi-generational family MAG. I want to really know the people my life may depend on. In MHO, friends are like dating. For short periods of time, everybody is on their best behavior. For MAG defense, I really want to know how bad they look without the makeup.
There must be more than one common denominator. Friends can be good companions, but real true friends are hard to come by. Real friends are more like family and sometimes more than family. There usually is something else that binds them besides just liking each other, such as sharing the same religious beliefs and other basic core values.
 
For hunny and I , we will have a small group of family. . . The kids with 3 grandkids so far, and maybe parents. I know Granny which is my MIL along with hunny's brother and maybe my mom. Guess it all depends on what her new husband wants to do. But then comes a problem because he has 3 kids with kids and grandkids. So not sure what will happen there. Just know what our place is capable of producing and the additions of what we had not planned for is well, just not doable long term unless we did some expanding of the garden area and it is already as big as I am handle as one person right now.
I always think what to be done without electricity. No gasoline or diesel. You need a strong team to farm and do manual labor. I can't take my brother in laws parents or his other relatives, can't take any relatives of in-laws at all. So that will most likely be my line in the sand. Unless they have something spectacular to offer of course. Have horses or thousands of rounds of ammo or something.
 
I always think what to be done without electricity. No gasoline or diesel. You need a strong team to farm and do manual labor. I can't take my brother in laws parents or his other relatives, can't take any relatives of in-laws at all. So that will most likely be my line in the sand. Unless they have something spectacular to offer of course. Have horses or thousands of rounds of ammo or something.

You don't really have to till the ground to plant a garden, I've had small gardens in untilled grounds, I currently till our big garden to keep it neat nothing more.
 
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Kevin, I own a large 20 acre farm. Lots of proteins, fats, and sugars. Most of the guys I work with, in a real bad situations, will be grabbing their gear and meeting at my farm. Most of these guys are professional nail drivers. I’ve run with most of them and have been their team lead in bad situations. Personalities will collide. Violence is what most will understand in those moments. This isn’t new to me. Hence my evaluation of it being like “Negan”. The only ex factor in this is their families that they will bring with them. I however will not be stealing wives. Lol.
 
Kevin, I own a large 20 acre farm. Lots of proteins, fats, and sugars. Most of the guys I work with, in a real bad situations, will be grabbing their gear and meeting at my farm. Most of these guys are professional nail drivers. I’ve run with most of them and have been their team lead in bad situations. Personalities will collide. Violence is what most will understand in those moments. This isn’t new to me. Hence my evaluation of it being like “Negan”. The only ex factor in this is their families that they will bring with them. I however will not be stealing wives. Lol.
Got it.

The worst thing about SHTF, I think, is that the situation will make it very difficult to be nice...and I've always aspired to be a nice person, as long as people don't force me to be an *******.
 
I think it will be about 3 things, 1 Trust, 2 Reliability 3 Usefulness, you will have to measure people on a scale of these 3 things vs. Negative traits. Im not talking about family that are elderly or children, those are your wards. I will prioritize each person in that order. If I cant trust someone it does not matter what they bring to the table. If I trust you and your reliable under moderate presure, but have nothing, not even a useful skill, I will take you and teach you and make good use of you. I have 2 friends that I have known for 30 years, one has all 3, the other has the first 2, I would take both over a few relatives that are wealthy and a couple have useful skill sets, but I would not accept them into my SHTF community because I dont trust them.
 
I don't know about this.

I suspect that people identified as sociopaths after SHTF may have a very limited lifespan.

I have a hard enough time dealing with them now.

Sociopath can be very intelligent, not all show signs or act on it, don't discount the sociopath ;) I think in a shtf we will see most humans become sociopath just by the nature of the environment, I think the only way to survive in a complete society meltdown are to be the sociopath, the peace makers and pacifist are the one's that fall first.
 
I don't know about this.

I suspect that people identified as sociopaths after SHTF may have a very limited lifespan.

I have a hard enough time dealing with them now.
The reason I said that is because those types can mimic the correct responses and expected behaviors of typical people. Sociopaths live in society(often times unnoticed) and tend to blend and not be suspected of what they are capable of. They are usually quite intelligent and learn by experience the things that imbue trust in others and they develop those behaviors/actions. For instance, they lack empathy but they are able to convince people that they do. MY suggestion is that you learn what behaviors/actions that society in general relate to and practice them at home or with people you trust. Just a thought to be able to blend.
 
Sociopath can be very intelligent, not all show signs or act on it, don't discount the sociopath ;) I think in a shtf we will see most humans become sociopath just by the nature of the environment, I think the only way to survive in a complete society meltdown are to be the sociopath, the peace makers and pacifist are the one's that fall first.
I agree but usually sociopaths don't know there is anything wrong with them, they tend to mimic what others do in order to fit in, but they have little empathy for others and will be very dangerous without the restraints of society that we now have.
 
I think it will be about 3 things, 1 Trust, 2 Reliability 3 Usefulness, you will have to measure people on a scale of these 3 things vs. Negative traits. Im not talking about family that are elderly or children, those are your wards. I will prioritize each person in that order. If I cant trust someone it does not matter what they bring to the table. If I trust you and your reliable under moderate presure, but have nothing, not even a useful skill, I will take you and teach you and make good use of you. I have 2 friends that I have known for 30 years, one has all 3, the other has the first 2, I would take both over a few relatives that are wealthy and a couple have useful skill sets, but I would not accept them into my SHTF community because I dont trust them.
Exactly. Number one if I don't trust them, they are out. If they are a trustworthy relative of an in-law and have something to bring to the table, then I will consider it. But, you have to have some kind of measure by which to judge who you will take, the first measure is how many CAN you take, take those you must, then IF you can consider the others.
 

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