Ping Doc H and Rellgar

[BillMasen]

As you guys said WHO is acting as a mouthpiece for China, WHO are refusing to involve Tiawan and WHO leaders trying to accuse Tiawan of racism.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...cusations-attacked-chief-200409024652737.html

 

[DrHenley]

The CCP is turning the screws on the WHO leadership because they are losing their propaganda war and getting desperate.

 

[BillMasen]

The CCP is turning the screws on the WHO leadership because they are losing their propaganda war and getting desperate.

And like all good subservient lackies they are doing Chinas bidding and blaming Tiawan.,

 

[Proud Prepper]

The free world needs to unite against communist China.

 

[BillMasen]

The free world needs to unite against communist China.

Yup agreed once the evidence is fully confirmed and so long as our actions are political and economic, we dont need any more wars.

 

[DrHenley]

Yup agreed once the evidence is fully confirmed and so long as our actions are political and economic, we dont need any more wars.

We don't have to declare war, just stop doing business with them because they are untrustworthy business partners.

 

[BillMasen]

We don't have to declare war, just stop doing business with them because they are untrustworthy business partners.

Now that make far more sense than some comments I've read recently, AND we dont have to wait to be told, We should all stop willingly buying Chinese made goods and services.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Now that make far more sense than some comments I've read recently, AND we dont have to wait to be told, We should all stop willingly buying Chinese made goods and services.

Yeah but then what ChinaMart, I mean Wal-Mart do?

 

[user 6493]

the only thing I buy knowingly not made in the USA is AMMO,,,,,Privy Partizen accurate and will not break the bank

 

[DrHenley]

• In 2003 Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler traveled to Shenzhen to confront Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei with evidence of Huawei's theft of Cisco IP. The evidence included typos from Cisco's technical manuals that also appeared in Huawei's, after being presented with the evidence Ren replied "coincidence".[2]
• In February 2003, Cisco Systems sued Huawei Technologies for allegedly infringing on its patents and illegally copying source code used in its routers and switches.[3] According to a statement by Cisco, by July 2004 Huawei removed the contested code, manuals and command-line interfaces and the case was subsequently settled out of court.
• In September 2014, Huawei faced a lawsuit from T-Mobile US, which alleged that Huawei stole technology from its Bellevue, Washington, headquarters. T-Mobile claimed in its filed suit that Huawei's employees snuck into a T-Mobile lab during the period of 2012–2013 and stole parts of its smartphone testing robot Tappy. The Huawei employees then copied the operating software and design details, violating confidentiality agreements that both companies signed. Furthermore, Huawei is now using the stolen parts and data to build its own testing robot.
  
• In May 2017, a jury agreed with T-Mobile that Huawei committed industrial espionage in United States, and Huawei was ordered to pay $4.8m in damages.
  
• In July 2010, Motorola filed an amended complaint that named Huawei as a co-defendant in its case against Lemko for alleged theft of trade secrets.
  
• In 2012, Brian Shields, who was the senior cybersecurity analyst of the Canadian telecommunications company Nortel, alleged that state-directed Chinese networks had comprehensively penetrated the company's networks from at least 2000 until the company's bankruptcy in 2009. He alleged that Huawei (who had been a contract manufacturer for Nortel) was the primary beneficiary of the hack. As early as 2004, it was suspected that Huawei was copying Nortel's hardware and instruction manuals.
  
• In June 2004, a Huawei employee was caught diagramming and photographing circuit boards after-hours from a competitor booth at the SuperComm trade show. The employee denied the accusation, but was later dismissed.
  
• Huawei was under investigation by FBI in the United States for sending some diamond glass samples developed by the company Ahkan Semiconductor to China without authorization to test and destroy the product in order to steal intellectual property.
  
• CNEX Labs claims that a Huawei executive, with the help of a Chinese university, attempted to steal CNEX's solid-state drive computer storage technology.
  
• In the U.S., officials and politicians within the federal government have raised concerns that Huawei-made telecommunications equipment may be designed to allow unauthorised access by the Chinese government and the Chinese People's Liberation Army,
  
• In October 2009, the Indian Department of Telecommunications reportedly requested national telecom operators to "self-regulate" the use of all equipment from European, U.S. and Chinese telecoms manufacturers following security concerns. Earlier, in 2005, Huawei was blocked from supplying equipment to India's Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited (BSNL) cellular phone service provider. In 2010, the Indian Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) insisted on cancelling the rest of the Huawei contract with BSNL and pressed charges against several top BSNL officers regarding their "doubtful integrity and dubious links with Chinese firms".
  
• In March 2012, Australian media sources reported that the Australian government had excluded Huawei from tendering for contracts with NBN Co, a government-owned corporation that is managing the construction of the National Broadband Network, following advice from the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation regarding security concerns.
  
• On 19 July 2013, Michael Hayden, former head of the U.S. National Security Agency and director of Motorola Solutions, claimed that he has seen hard evidence of backdoors in Huawei's networking equipment and that the company engaged in espionage and shared intimate knowledge of the foreign telecommunications systems with the Chinese government.
  
• In 2016, Canada's immigration department said it planned to deny permanent resident visas to three Chinese citizens who worked for Huawei over concerns the applicants are involved in espionage, terrorism, and government subversion.
  
• In 2018, an investigation by French newspaper Le Monde alleged that China had engaged in hacking the African Union headquarters in Ethiopia from 2012 to 2017. The building was built by Chinese contractors, including Huawei, and Huawei equipment has been linked to these hacks.
  
• In March 2019, the HCSEC Oversight Board published a report stating that it had "continued to identify concerning issues in Huawei’s approach to software development bringing significantly increased risk to UK operators", and that it had "not yet seen anything to give it confidence in Huawei’s capacity to successfully complete the elements of its transformation programme that it has proposed as a means of addressing these underlying defects". The report cited, in particular, use of outdated versions of VxWorks in its networking equipment and inconsistent checksums between OS images, and during a visit to a Huawei development centre in Shanghai, it was found that Huawei had been using an "unmanageable number" of OpenSSL revisions between individual products.
  
• On 30 April 2019, Bloomberg News published a report alleging that between 2009 and 2011, Vodafone Italy had discovered several security vulnerabilities in its Huawei fixed-line network equipment, including unspecified backdoors in optical nodes and broadband gateways, and unsecured telnet on its home routers that could give Huawei access to Vodafone's network. The report claimed that despite having claimed to have patched them, some of them had persisted through 2012, and that the same vulnerabilities could be found in Huawei equipment used by other regional Vodafone subsidiaries.
  
• The Czech Republic's cybersecurity agency issued a warning against Huawei and ZTE products, arguing that Chinese law required companies to "cooperate with intelligence services, therefore introducing them into the key state systems might present a threat".
  
• Four members of the Five Eyes international intelligence alliance—Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US—have declared the use of Huawei telecommunications equipment, particularly in 5G networks, poses "significant security risks", while Canada is carrying out its own security review; only Britain is permitting the company to participate in the rollout of the new technology. In late November 2018, the New Zealand signals intelligence agency Government Communications Security Bureau blocked telecommunications company Spark from using Huawei equipment in its planned 5G upgrade, claiming that it posed a "significant network security risk." The NZ ban followed a similar ban in Australia in August 2018.
  
• In December 2018, Gavin Williamson, the UK's Defence Secretary, expressed "grave" and "very deep concerns" about the company providing technology to upgrade Britain's services to 5G. He accused Beijing of acting "sometimes in a malign way". Alex Younger, the head of MI6, also raised questions about Huawei's role.
  
• On 11 January 2019, Poland announced that two people working on a 5G Huawei network had been arrested: Wang Weijing (a Huawei executive), and Piotr Durbaglo, a consultant having worked for Polish domestic security, but currently working for Orange on 5G network testing.
• In November 2019, the Chinese ambassador to Denmark, in meetings with high-ranking Faroese politicians, directly linked Huawei's 5G expansion with Chinese trade, according to a sound recording obtained by Kringvarp Føroya. According to Berlingske, the ambassador threatened with dropping a planned trade deal with the Faroe Islands, if the Faroese telecom company Føroya Tele did not let Huawei build the national 5G network.
  
• In 2015, German cybersecurity company G Data alleged that phones from Huawei and several other Chinese manufacturers had been shipped with malware via infected versions of legitimate apps, that could record phone calls, access user data, and send premium SMS messages.
  
• On 14 February 2018, heads of six U.S. intelligence agencies testified to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence against the use of Chinese telecom products by U.S. citizens, such as those of Huawei and ZTE. Christopher A. Wray, director of the FBI, stated that they were "deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to foreign governments that don't share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks".
  
• In May 2019 a Huawei Mediapad M5 belonging to a Canadian IT engineer living in Taiwan was found to be sending data to servers in China despite never being authorized to do so. The apps could not be disabled and continued to send sensitive data even after appearing to be deleted.
  
• In July 2012, Felix Lindner and Gregor Kopf gave a conference at Defcon to announce that they uncovered several critical vulnerabilities in Huawei routers (models AR18 and AR29)[119] which could be used to get remote access to the device. The researchers said that Huawei "doesn't have a security contact for reporting vulnerabilities, doesn't put out security advisories and doesn't say what bugs have been fixed in its firmware updates", and as a result, the vulnerabilities have not been publicly disclosed.
  
• In January 2019, Huawei patched a security flaw that was discovered by Microsoft in the "PCManager" software bundled on its laptops, after detecting that the software used a driver with behavior similar to the DoublePulsar exploit.
  
• In March 2019, the Oversight Board of United Kingdom government organization Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre found “serious and systematic defects” in Huawei software engineering and their cyber security competence, and cast doubt on Huawei's ability and competence to fix security problems that have been found
  
• In October 2019 a person named John Wu presented details regarding Huawei's Undocumented APIs[123] which can poses security risk for Huawei clients (for example it let apps with Admin privileges install new system apps on the Mate 30). Those permissions are used by the "LZPlay" app to install the Google framework and services. Huawei has denied any involvement with the app or the "LZPlay" site.
  
• On February 2020, The Wall Street Journal reported that Huawei has had the ability to covertly exploit backdoors intended for law enforcement officials since 2009. These backdoors are found on carrier equipment like antennas and routers. Huawei's equipment is widely used around the world due to its low cost.
  
• A U.S. Army Strategic Studies Institute report on Argentina published in September 2007 describes Huawei as "known to bribe and trap clients". The report details unfair business practices, such as customers framed by "full-paid trips" to China and monetary "presents" offered and later used by Huawei as "a form of extortion".
  
• According to a WikiLeaks cable, in 2006, Michael Joseph, then-CEO of Safaricom Ltd, allegedly struggled to cancel a contract with Huawei due to poor after-sales experience, after which the Kenyan government pressured him to reinstate the contract.
  
• In May 2010, it was reported in The Times of India, that security agencies in India became suspicious of Chinese Huawei employees after learning that Indian employees allegedly did not have access to part of Huawei's Bangalore research and development (R&D) office building.[135] Huawei responded that the company employs over 2,000 Indian engineers and just 30 Chinese engineers in the R&D center in Bangalore, and "both Indian and Chinese staff have equal access rights to all our information assets and facilities".[136] According to The Times of India, the intelligence agencies also noted that Chinese employees of Huawei had extended their stay in Bangalore for many months.
  
• In 2013, European Union found that Huawei and ZTE have violated EU's anti-dumping and anti-subsidy guidelines
  
• In 2016, The Indian government found that Chinese telecommunication equipment makers including Huawei have been continually dumping equipment into the Indian market and causing injury to local companies. As a result, the Indian government applied anti-dumping duty to equipment imported from Chinese equipment makers, including Huawei. The duties applied to Huawei were levied at a rate of 37.73%
  
• In 2019, Reuters reported that Huawei was linked to a suspicious front company in Mauritius which has conducted operations in Syria
  
• In 2019, Washington Post reported that Huawei was linked to a suspicious Chinese state-owned firm which has conducted operations in North Korea.
  
• In September 2018, AnandTech reported that recent Huawei and Honor phones, including the Huawei P20 and Honor Play, had been configured to activate a high-performance mode when certain benchmarking software was detected, causing increased frame rates at the expense of efficiency and battery life.
  
• On several occasions, Huawei has issued promotional materials promoting the camera capabilities on its smartphones, that were later found to have actually used professional DSLR cameras instead.

 

[jontte]

extensive list of **** CCP approves

 

[DrHenley]

Yeah but then what ChinaMart, I mean Wal-Mart do?

Go back to their old "Made in America" theme! Remember that?

 

[Mountain trapper]

Go back to their old "Made in America" theme! Remember that?

Yep. I remember when Wal-Mart first started, their big sales pitch was they were going to sell Made in America products. That didn't last long.
Back before I retired I made a mandate to our material requisition managers: "Do NOT substitute made in China parts, tools or equipment." More company managers and purchesing managers should take a similar approach.

 

[user 6493]

Yep. I remember when Wal-Mart first started, their big sales pitch was they were going to sell Made in America products. That didn't last long.
Back before I retired I made a mandate to our material requisition managers: "Do NOT substitute made in China parts, tools or equipment." More company managers and purchesing managers should take a similar approach.

it is hard to do that,,,so much is made there almost everything you can think of has some parts from China

 

[DrHenley]

My son has been following the China situation for a while. He knew what "Uyghurs" were, and about the Uyghur organ harvesting long before I did. (look it up if you don't know!)
Before all this started, he told me that the Chinese subjects will stay loyal to the CCP as long as they have jobs and believe the CCP is a benevolent dictatorship which looks out for their security and safety, no matter how many human rights they have to give up in exchange. Culturally, conformity is much more important than individuality, and they are literally bred to be obedient slaves, and usually believe everything the CCP says.

I think that situation has changed now. My son has a "wait and see" attitude.

 

[user 6493]

My son has been following the China situation for a while. He knew what "Uyghurs" were, and about the Uyghur organ harvesting long before I did. (look it up if you don't know!)
Before all this started, he told me that the Chinese subjects will stay loyal to the CCP as long as they have jobs and believe the CCP is a benevolent dictatorship which looks out for their security and safety, no matter how many human rights they have to give up in exchange. Culturally, conformity is much more important than individuality, and they are literally bred to be obedient slaves, and usually believe everything the CCP says.

I think that situation has changed now. My son has a "wait and see" attitude.

when the Chinese came to this country as cheap labor the main reason was they were subservient by nature for the most part a docile race it comes from century's of domination by the ruling class,,obey or die,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they obeyed

 

[Mountain trapper]

it is hard to do that,,,so much is made there almost everything you can think of has some parts from China

That's certainly true for vehicles and heavy equipment, most are manufactured with components that are "globally" sourced. But most parts, steel and all tools that we purchased were available made in the USA. One just had to look.
Unfortunately it's near impossible to find every product that a person needs that isn't made in China. But I try my best not to buy China made crap. I bought a new John Deere tractor; made in India. At least it's not China.

 

[user 6493]

That's certainly true for vehicles and heavy equipment, most are manufactured with components that are "globally" sourced. But most parts, steel and all tools that we purchased were available made in the USA. One just had to look.
Unfortunately it's near impossible to find every product that a person needs that isn't made in China. But I try my best not to buy China made crap. I bought a new John Deere tractor; made in India. At least it's not China.

it's just about as bad,,,,,but there is little we can do about it,,,,

 

[tmttactical]

We can as a people and voters --- Demand that all products physical or online list were it was manufactured (MADE), in big bold print. I just spent a fair amount of time looking for LED light bulbs on Amazon, that ARE made in America. The product listing did not show were the products were made. We can't buy American if we don't know if it is American. Yes I do buy some foreign made products but NOTHING from China. The only thing made in China that is going to Last is the China Virus.

 

[JackDW]

That's certainly true for vehicles and heavy equipment, most are manufactured with components that are "globally" sourced. But most parts, steel and all tools that we purchased were available made in the USA. One just had to look.
Unfortunately it's near impossible to find every product that a person needs that isn't made in China. But I try my best not to buy China made crap. I bought a new John Deere tractor; made in India. At least it's not China.

I have a son who works for one the big tractor manufactures in the US (think Green and Yellow). He was very disillusioned when he first started working there as, while their tractors are being build in the US, almost all the part are from China. They are still working (tractors are an essential item), there is a shortage of parts, especially engines and transmissions. This manufacturer is moving as fast as possible to transfer production of parts to other places, outside of China. You have to wonder how this will effect quality for the short term. I think in the long term, it would improve quality but I think it will suffer a lot in the short term until they get any compatibility bugs worked out.

 

[DrHenley]

Better late than never!

 

[DrHenley]

Meanwhile in Fake News La La Land, Reuters is dutifully reporting China's fake numbers as if they were real. And of course every single new case in China is because of travelers bringing them in from overseas.
Yeah, uh huh, riiiiiight

https://news.trust.org/item/20200413004143-i15di
China's new coronavirus cases rise to near 6-week high

BEIJING, April 13 (Reuters) - China reported the highest number of new daily coronavirus cases in nearly six weeks, driven by a rise in infected travellers arriving from overseas and underscoring challenges Beijing faces in preventing a second wave of COVID-19.

A total of 108 new coronavirus cases were reported on Sunday, up from 99 a day earlier and marking the highest number of cases since 143 cases were reported on March 5.

 

[DrHenley]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/world-...information-11586122093?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
World Health Coronavirus Disinformation
WHO’s bows to Beijing have harmed the global response to the pandemic.
The coronavirus pandemic will offer many lessons in what to do better to save more lives and do less economic harm the next time. But there’s already one way to ensure future pandemics are less deadly: Reform or defund the World Health Organization (WHO).

 

[tmttactical]

I am voting to de-fund. Reform will only last until we quit watching. Save the money for out own medical needs.

 

[GaRp58]

DE-FUND!! If you only take the $40,000,000 which the WHOres get from the US, you could build a ventilator or mask production facility at home and produce 20 million masks each month for the rest of the world to buy...What is the difference of tax evasion and tax misuse?? One of them is a Federal felony. The other is a political farse which is practiced by too many self-proclaimed "legends-in-their-own-minds" persons who have been given a huge responsibility. The mis-use of this authority or the stupid and incorrect use of this authority, prove that the persons in question should be mentally checked and forever banned to be again in charge of anything but cleaning their own ***** and noses...GP