Before I quit smoking every year in December I would get bronchitis than pneumonia it was a yearly tradition. Than I quit smoking 8 years ago and haven't gotten pneumonia until this year pretty standard got a bad cough than bronchitis than pneumonia. I've been on antibiotics for 9 days now and still have 3 days to go, not to mention the steroids, inhaler, and cough meds. If I was just struggling without Rx and was pushing fluids and resting I cant imagine what I would go through, so does anyone have any books or where to start in home remedy. My library has a lot on first aid and some medical books but not anything on infections or treatment.
Pneumonia got me thinking
- Thread starter 81Ttop
- Start date
Help Support Homesteading & Country Living Forum:
well,first you take your meds,if given to a certain period,take it.
pneumonia untreated can kill you,you rest as much as possible,to get the snot out of your lungs,take a large plastic bottle,fill it with water ( 2/3), take plastic hose,1/2 inch,2 feet long and blow
into the bottle 3-5 times / day , 15-20 times each time,you'll clear a ton of snot from your respiratory system that way.
pneumonia untreated can kill you,you rest as much as possible,to get the snot out of your lungs,take a large plastic bottle,fill it with water ( 2/3), take plastic hose,1/2 inch,2 feet long and blow
into the bottle 3-5 times / day , 15-20 times each time,you'll clear a ton of snot from your respiratory system that way.
Not much replaces antibiotics, we would have to revert to the old ways, bloodletting was a common practice for many ailments including pneumonia, it does work for a good number of people but not as effective as antibiotics, quinine (bark from a cinchona tree) was very good for fevers including malaria. up until antibiotics having pneumonia was almost a death sentence. Bloodletting was used up until the 1940s, today the medical field is talking about bringing it back, back in the day it was so common that barbers performed it in it's business, where do you think the red and white or red white blue barbers post came from
And don't forget the leeches!Not much replaces antibiotics, we would have to revert to the old ways, bloodletting was a common practice for many ailments including pneumonia, it does work for a good number of people but not as effective as antibiotics, quinine (bark from a cinchona tree) was very good for fevers including malaria. up until antibiotics having pneumonia was almost a death sentence. Bloodletting was used up until the 1940s, today the medical field is talking about bringing it back, back in the day it was so common that barbers performed it in it's business, where do you think the red and white or red white blue barbers post came from
Hey doc, I am not too thrilled with your treatment of leeches and bloodletting. I think I will get a second opinion.
They are using leeches in modern medicine now
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
Best means of debridement. Much more selective than surgical debridement. They only eat the bad/rotted flesh.
I am gonna a miss modern medicine. Catching and putting maggots on my wounds is going to gross me out. I would do it but it would still gross me out.
modern medicine is all based on the old fashioned natural/herbal medicine which is all we had at one time, "wise women" of the village were the doctors of the day and knew all the remedies and for which ailment.
modern medicine took the active ingredient of the natural medicine and then made a pharmacy equivalent of it.
the one problem I have with modern medicine is that is cures the symptom and not the cause and it usually has loads of side effects which you need to take something else to cure that which causes another side effect so on and so forth.
modern medicine took the active ingredient of the natural medicine and then made a pharmacy equivalent of it.
the one problem I have with modern medicine is that is cures the symptom and not the cause and it usually has loads of side effects which you need to take something else to cure that which causes another side effect so on and so forth.
I’ve read a lot about leaches being helpful for increasing circulation in a wound and maggots for eating away dead and infected tissue in a wound, but I’ve never seen anything about blood letting being worthwhile. When you’re sick draining blood not only increases your chance of infection but drains your energy and lowers your ability to recover.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
Donating blood is a form of bloodletting, in fact they say donating blood helps obese people with metabolic syndrome, lowering the blood pressure and reduced risk to the heart. Bloodletting certainly has it's benefits.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
The branch of science that deals with this is called "Pharmacognosy." I had never heard of it before a friend took me to the Pharmacognosy lab at Ole Miss. That lab has run a Federally funded marijuana farm for fifty years. It is the only completely legal (by Federal law) marijuana farm in the U.S. and the only Federally approved supplier of medical marijuana, supplying a few patients still in the Compassionate Investigational New Drug program. (approved in 1978)
If medical marijuana is legalized nationally, it will be largely due to that department's research in conjunction with the National Center for Natural Products Research, and the University of Mississippi Medical Center. The UMMC has filed a Investigational New Drug Application (IND) to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for using CBD to treat pediatric epilepsy. If approved, that will be the first Federally approved use for medical marijuana in 40 years.
My understanding they are trying to synthesize CBD, I think that is where a problem would come from unfortunately like most synthesize drugs that originally taken naturally.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
I knew someone who worked in that lab - it was super cool. They study all kinds of plants, not just marijuana.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
It was kind of an initiation rite at Ole Miss to tell incoming Freshman that there was a pot field on campus, and then take them to see it. Of course everyone thought it was a gag until they saw the field...and dropped their jaws, LOL. At the time the pot field was smaller and in an obscure corner of campus in the woods. It looked like a prison yard with guard towers at each corner.
They told us stories about how you could get a job working in the guard towers, and it was the best job ever because you just sat around doing nothing, but there was this "one person" who went and stole some weed and went to jail forever, or some variation of that tale.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
They got FDA and DEA approval. The first federally approved medical marijuana university clinical trials are now underway at the University of Mississippi Medical center.
https://www.sunherald.com/news/health/article221558440.html
JACKSON
Over four years after Gov. Phil Bryant signed Harper Grace’s Law, allowing clinical trials of a specific marijuana-derived drug, the University of Mississippi Medical Center announced Thursday that those trials had begun.
The trial, which will study the effect of cannabidiol — or CBD, as it’s known — on children with severe epilepsy, is the very first university-based clinical trial of a cannabis extract to meet federal standards.
The agencies that had to sign off on the trial before it could start include the Food and Drug Administration, the Internal Review Board and the Drug Enforcement Administration.
“So you can imagine we’ve had many regulatory hurdles to get here today … in order to provide such unique opportunities for our patients,” said Richard Summers, UMMC’s vice chancellor of research.
The trial will enroll ten Mississippi children with severe epilepsy, though the university estimates that epilepsy is common enough that about 2,000 Mississippi children could qualify. More than a third of children with epilepsy still seize, even with medications on the current market, and this study will target those particular children, according to Dr. Brad Ingram, a pediatric neurologist and the principal investigator for this project.
Over four years after Gov. Phil Bryant signed Harper Grace’s Law, allowing clinical trials of a specific marijuana-derived drug, the University of Mississippi Medical Center announced Thursday that those trials had begun.
The trial, which will study the effect of cannabidiol — or CBD, as it’s known — on children with severe epilepsy, is the very first university-based clinical trial of a cannabis extract to meet federal standards.
The agencies that had to sign off on the trial before it could start include the Food and Drug Administration, the Internal Review Board and the Drug Enforcement Administration.
“So you can imagine we’ve had many regulatory hurdles to get here today … in order to provide such unique opportunities for our patients,” said Richard Summers, UMMC’s vice chancellor of research.
The trial will enroll ten Mississippi children with severe epilepsy, though the university estimates that epilepsy is common enough that about 2,000 Mississippi children could qualify. More than a third of children with epilepsy still seize, even with medications on the current market, and this study will target those particular children, according to Dr. Brad Ingram, a pediatric neurologist and the principal investigator for this project.
Last edited:
I have no illusion that marijuana will be the cure all drug so many supporters tout it as. (I think of snake oil salesman) I do think there are many good uses for it from calming anxiety, relieving nausea and giving people an appetite when they can’t eat. I also feel that it is a lot less harmful than alcohol. I tend to think that moderation is the key to most things in life though, and even with the benefits I mentioned and several more I’m sure, over indulgence of any good thing will have its adverse effects. I am really glad that the medical community is finally getting able to start truly exploring the potential benefits and side affects of it though. There are potentially many pharmaceutical drugs that could be replaced with less side effects.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
CBD oil has some promise in treating Crohn's. My daughter has Crohn's and is already getting resistant to the drug she has been on for ten years and has flare ups between infusions.
My wife tried it but didn’t notice any improvement. That’s not to say that someone else wouldn’t though. Everyone’s body reacts differently. What was she using for the last ten years?
I can't stand the snake-oil salespeople who are trying to make it out as a cure-all as much as the ones who claim it's all evil. It has its place, and I believe it should be legal and people should use it responsibly, just like they should everything else. Unfortunately the human race has not generally proved itself responsible in a lot of things, but this is not a reason to make things that can be beneficial illegal.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
Remicade
If it just tided her over between infusions that would be a great help. Otherwise she had to change to a different drug and can never go back to the Remicade. There are only two options at the moment Entyvio, and Humira, and there is no guarantee she'll respond to either of them.
All I am sure of is when you read the list of potential side affects of those biological it’s downright scary. I think yrying anything else is worthwhile. My wife tried remicade with promising results but developed an allergic reaction on the second dose. She is still hesitant to try humeria due to its list of side affects. Scary stuff, but it does help many. I wish your daughter the best.
Well said.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2013
- Messages
- 18,622
I think they are close to discovering the cause of Crohn's. I have believed all along that it was an imbalance with the intestinal flora, and new research is pointing that way.
Have you heard of Escherichia coli Nissle 1917 (EcN)? EcN is an aggressive beneficial bacteria, and works by out-competing harmful bacteria.
In World War I there was an epidemic of bacterial diarrhea that one German soldier seemed immune to. His stool samples were sent to a scientist named Prof. Alfred Nissle in Freiburg, Germany, who isolated a strain of E. Coli that seemed to be responsible for the soldier's immunity. Nissle began manufacturing capsules that contained that strain of E. Coli under the brand name Mutaflor. Now, 100 years later, Mutaflor is still on the market, you can buy it on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Mutaflor-Cap...=UTF8&qid=1548245171&sr=8-1&keywords=mutaflor
Mutaflor has been tested on Crohn's patients:
https://www.mutaflor.com/mutaflor-clinically-proven-efficacy/crohns-disease.html
Have you heard of Escherichia coli Nissle 1917 (EcN)? EcN is an aggressive beneficial bacteria, and works by out-competing harmful bacteria.
In World War I there was an epidemic of bacterial diarrhea that one German soldier seemed immune to. His stool samples were sent to a scientist named Prof. Alfred Nissle in Freiburg, Germany, who isolated a strain of E. Coli that seemed to be responsible for the soldier's immunity. Nissle began manufacturing capsules that contained that strain of E. Coli under the brand name Mutaflor. Now, 100 years later, Mutaflor is still on the market, you can buy it on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Mutaflor-Cap...=UTF8&qid=1548245171&sr=8-1&keywords=mutaflor
Mutaflor has been tested on Crohn's patients:
https://www.mutaflor.com/mutaflor-clinically-proven-efficacy/crohns-disease.html
Last edited:
I saw a documentary of a guy that sells his ,stuff, it is capsulized and sold to people with GI issues. It is given raw, not pasteurized or anything. The few people taking it said it made a miraculous difference in their lives. Kind of gross, but way better than taking a pharmicutical that has two pages of side affects.
