Pope says "Ban all weapons"

[user 7704]

I brought up the Pope only because the comment was so ludicrous. It could have been any leader in general, not because of his religion.

I ignore all posts that are about Christians. I won't argue with anyone concerning there thoughts. You have your opinions and I'm not going to diss them.

I am a Christian and proud to be.

 

[DrHenley]

What is the difference between telling a person HOW they must worship, and telling them that they are NOT ALLOWED to worship as they see fit? Two sides of the same coin...

 

[user 6493]

What is the difference between telling a person HOW they must worship, and telling them that they are NOT ALLOWED to worship as they see fit? Two sides of the same coin...

I don't tell anyone they can't worship,it's not my place,,,,and as I see it what I do is my business and if I don't believe I should not have to put up with a bible thumper preaching to me

 

[user 7704]

I don't tell anyone they can't worship,it's not my place,,,,and as I see it what I do is my business and if I don't believe I should not have to put up with a bible thumper preaching to me

Agree

 

[Gazrok]

I should not have to put up with a bible thumper preaching to me

Bah, let them thump away. It won't change what I feel is true.

If folks found something that works for them spiritually, then more power to them. I'm happy to debate the fine points, and how rife pretty much all religions are with hypocrisy, but for many, they do provide a comfort, and who am I to judge them for that?

I've had many excellent private discussions with different members here on faith issues (and many have made good points), even though not a Christian myself. I was raised to be one, and indoctrinated since a little kid, but it just didn't do it for me. Came to my own conclusions. I try not to belittle others for believing (I don't always succeed in that effort, so when I don't, my apologies....I can just be a **** sometimes)... LOL

 

[Otterbatcat]

Anyone who tries to force their ideals on to me is one thing, ......but if it's religiously based and you're forcing your ideals on me,

You can suck a bag of dicks and stfu.

 

[Silent Earth]

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me, unless I'm beaten to death with a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary

People MUST be free to believe in what ever diety they like, so long as they keep their beliefs to themselves unless INVITED to share those beliefs in a discussion. BUT equally everyone must be free to disagree with others of different beliefs. I think we have stopped burning heritics at the stake for now

 

[Silent Earth]

An english philosopher once described religion as a combination of mass hysteria and mental illness ( I still do in general). For years I strongly agreed with that sentiment but in recent years I have seen some good, honest, decent genuine people get great personal comfort from their religious beliefs which made me realise not all aspects of religion are wrong. And I do respect people to believe what ever they want to do, so long as they keep it to themselves.

Like it or not those of religious persuation simply cannot deny that hundreds of millions of lives have been snuffed out because of religion just as someone pointed out the other day Aithiest communists have also killed millions.

 

[Silent Earth]

What is the difference between telling a person HOW they must worship, and telling them that they are NOT ALLOWED to worship as they see fit? Two sides of the same coin...

Agreed 100% the peoples RIGHT to believe in what ever religion etc must be protected and their free CHOICE, but neither religious followers or aethists can not be beyond disagreement or criticism.
I would stand side by side with Christians, Mormons, Jews, Moslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Lutherians etc to defend their right to follow their beliefs even though I 100% disagree with them. Just like I would stand with the rights of females who decide to have a termination because its THEIR right and THEIR choice and no one else has the right to force their opposite beliefs onto the woman. I am a Republican and a Capitalist but also a DEMOCRAT, So in my country for now the DEMOCRATIC wishes of the people is to have a Monarch and State Social Welfare system. I dont like it, I disagree with it but I accept it because its DEMOCRACTIC.

 

[Silent Earth]

Hey Guys, do you have democratic referendums on important issues in the US at national or state levels ? I was just thinking that you great people are probably the greatest believers in democracy in the world your passion in letting the people decide on how your country is ran etc ( We The People) probably the greatest three words in English ever. So I was just wondering about your Second Amendment thingy, The Pro / Anti gun debate rages at all levels of government, churches, senates, state level, on tv and radio. So I just wondered genuinely instead of letting politicians try and work things out or have the debate done by politically motivated media sources why not have a Referendum of having a new consitutional amendment to either preserve or amend your gun rights to suit modern America? I cannot think of anything more fair and democratic than to go to the people ?

 

[SheilaT.]

If it's one thing I have learned to my dismay over the years, as soo as religion or religious icons are mentioned in any context, mud slinging and arguments follow pretty rapidly.
Gets depressing.

 

[Silent Earth]

If it's one thing I have learned to my dismay over the years, as soo as religion or religious icons are mentioned in any context, mud slinging and arguments follow pretty rapidly.
Gets depressing.

Amen to that

 

[Silent Earth]

Christianity perfectly defined

 

[Silent Earth]

 

[user 6493]

If it's one thing I have learned to my dismay over the years, as soo as religion or religious icons are mentioned in any context, mud slinging and arguments follow pretty rapidly.
Gets depressing.

mudslinging goes both ways,,,the thing that bothers me is the way the bible thumpers with their smug better than the rest of us talk down to all who don't think their way,,,

with that kind of attitude and they really think they are better than anyone

sorry TF but this is a perfect example ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

http://www.doomsdayprepperforums.com/index.php?threads/depraved-living-without-christ.8657/

 

[SheilaT.]

I was raised on Dave Allen, funniest Irishman ever lived. The world is a poorer place for his passing.

 

[DrHenley]

Hey Guys, do you have democratic referendums on important issues in the US at national or state levels ?

Every other year. They are called "elections."

We do have "ballot initiatives" at the state and local level. The legislatures and courts do their best to ignore them or nullify them though.

Getting the Constitution changed is an incredibly difficult task (by design).

We have something called a "convention of states" where we can sidestep Congress on a Constitutional Amendment. They are trying to get one going right now: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...states-to-rein-in-government-gains-steam.html

But regardless of what you hear on the mainstream media, the people wanting to change the Second Amendment are a very loud but very small minority.

What there is a sense of urgency for (and what the Convention of States is being proposed for) is:

Balancing the budget
Reigning in the power of the Federal Government
Enacting term limits on Congress

 

[Silent Earth]

Cheers again Doc, We also have ( ever more pointless) elections but in the UK a referendum is slightly different, its not to elect PEOPLE or PARTIES its to give every legal aged registered voter to have a DIRECT vote on a SINGLE ISSUE.

 

[DrHenley]

Lets say that the people want to have a referendum on whether or not they should pay taxes. Do you really think that referendum will ever see the light of day?

You only have referenda on things the powers to be WANT you to have referenda on.

If they had thought that Brexit would pass, they would NEVER have allowed that referendum. And they've been trying to sabotage it ever since.

 

[user 7704]

Yes, referendums are handled on the local and state levels. Mostly, here in the states it's been referendums on the legalization of marijuana.

 

[Roninsensei]

Atheism = religion. Agnosticism = religion.. Current popular science= religion.. Everybody has their **** they believe in. Darwinian Evolution and Big Bang are also unproven and require belief in something with no proof. Choose your poison I guess

 

[user 6493]

Atheism = religion. Agnosticism = religion.. Current popular science= religion.. Everybody has their **** they believe in. Darwinian Evolution and Big Bang are also unproven and require belief in something with no proof. Choose your poison I guess

you are born you live you die,,,all three are absolute fact,,,no proof needed

 

[Roninsensei]

You only say that because you observed it in your very small sample size. Not a large enough sample for definitive answer. :m4:

 

[user 6493]

why don't you point out which fact is not absolute fact,,,,,,,

 

[Roninsensei]

Would you be willing to concede that it can’t be an absolute fact if it can be changed?

 

[user 6493]

Would you be willing to concede that it can’t be an absolute fact if it can be changed?

no one lives forever

 

[Roninsensei]

That doesn’t answer my question.

 

[brandx]

It's funny how when I say something Christian-oriented, I get bashed and told to go to my little corner and shut up.

But when someone bashes not just Christianity, but every faith in the world, a number of people here stand up & cheer (with 'likes'). No double standard there? Think about that.

I guess I am out of the loop here.

 

[brandx]

I don't tell anyone they can't worship,it's not my place,,,,and as I see it what I do is my business and if I don't believe I should not have to put up with a bible thumper preaching to me

Never cared for Bible thumpers, never liked someone preaching to me but in church. Most Christians I know are very respectful and loving. There are extremists in every group that take things out of context. You have to decide for yourself, everyone does.

 

[user 6493]

That doesn’t answer my question.

,,,,you are born you live you die,,,all three are absolute fact,,,no proof needed


these three facts can not be changed,,,you are just being silly,so no I will not concede anything