self sufficiency is the only way to go post SHTF, anyone that isnt self sufficient will find there is no body around to help them or to resupply them afterwards , thats why the unprepared masses wont make it.
Prepping for the possibility of war
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You may not THINK you have done anything innovative but, those of us who have been at it most of our lives, have done things that people just starting out may find useful.
I know the hour is late in the game and if you aren't self sufficient at this point, you are at a disadvantage but...not completely without hope.
we all had to start somewhere.
As far as Nukes go, I played around with this for a while. They seemed to have done some decent research for it but, don't know how accurate it would ultimately be.
NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein (nuclearsecrecy.com)
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I dropped a 100 mt Tsar Bomba on the nearest conceivable target to the BOL...the BOL is about 12 km outside the outer circle. Fallout is not likely because the wind would have to be SSE, which is rare at the BOL. But that it not a very likely target. City of less than a half a million people with nothing strategic.
what I was most interested was the fallout map (there are a couple of different toggles). Even my home base is outside any immediate blast effects and I know the BOL is, but, fallout was what I was most concerned with.
Remember back when NK was sabre rattling a while back? Supposedly one of the targets he had was Austin Texas...I was like Austin? The guy has maybe three bombs and he wants to bomb Austin? San Antonio I get. That has military bases, even Killeen with fT hood, but Austin? Must be a personal grudge!
Remember back when NK was sabre rattling a while back? Supposedly one of the targets he had was Austin Texas...I was like Austin? The guy has maybe three bombs and he wants to bomb Austin? San Antonio I get. That has military bases, even Killeen with fT hood, but Austin? Must be a personal grudge!
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Yep, the program dropped it directly on us, but when I pointed the drop to the nearest decent sized city (our state has MANY!) we were well out of the range of any damage. No telling what the winds would be doing for sure (nukes might temporarily effect local weather) or the effect of multiple cities getting nuked, so I was less sure about fallout.
That was a cool demo. It correlated to my research this week.
I always thought it would be a BOAKYAG scenario. It would be a maybe possible with a Tsar. Distance, terrain, and elevation help me.
Anything less and I am looking at a possible survivable situation with the fallout Even being 40 miles from 3 possible major targets with wind direction. It’s not going to be pleasant for a couple weeks but there is hope.
Glad my preps this week were not for nothing. A few more things to pick up next week My previous emergency level based preps only helped with level 7.
I'm a cold war kid and yes, Un survivable, I think that was kind of the thoughts back then and if you did get to a shelter, you probably would never be able to come out.
From what I have been reading lately, the newer nukes have gamma rads so their half life is much shorter and less permanent than the old ones outside the actual blast area?.
One of the toggles on the sim is air burst or ground burst, different fallout with each.
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I'm thinking that out of every 100 Russian nukes, probably only one has been modernized. It's really expensive to do and from what we've seen of the equipment Russia's been using against the Ukrainians, they haven't modernized much at all. Of course, they could just be using their "C" or "D" equipment in Ukraine because the Ukrainians had only a lot of 3rd rate armaments anyway. That could change on both sides quickly.
But even an un-modernized nuke will do devastating damage.
But even an un-modernized nuke will do devastating damage.
Good point. My son's first job when he entered the military was re-programing/updating or decommissioning nukes. That was a while ago. Russia does seem to be behind the times on equipment.
Cold War kid here too. Shelters are in city, I live on my BOL.
40 miles to NW a surface burst would take out 2 major cities that none of us would cry about. Newer nukes are also smaller and more targeted. Terrain, sea level to 1800 ft helps me also.
40 miles to SE, 2400ft ridge helps me. But it is a communication center for the country.
Instead of BOAKYAG, I tried to look at it differently.
Questions I came up with.
How long before Game and free range cattle will be safe to eat, if they survive? Vegtable garden?
Do we have to wait for good rain for fallout to wash away?
The longer range I look at, the more questions I have.
I had the Gamma rays backwards! Those are the bad ones. Alpha and Beta are the ones found more commonly now.
From what I was reading yesterday what will be edible will have everything to do with how much of a dose of radiation your area gets.
It said if livestock does not die, they will be safe to eat once they recover? And a small scraping and washing of the soil will do the trick and ground water would be drinkable....this was in the 1 rad area.
Let me see if I can find the website I was at yesterday but my eyes are starting to cross so I need to sleep first...will have to wait until the morn.
They actually made it sound like it won't be as bad in some areas.
From what I was reading yesterday what will be edible will have everything to do with how much of a dose of radiation your area gets.
It said if livestock does not die, they will be safe to eat once they recover? And a small scraping and washing of the soil will do the trick and ground water would be drinkable....this was in the 1 rad area.
Let me see if I can find the website I was at yesterday but my eyes are starting to cross so I need to sleep first...will have to wait until the morn.
They actually made it sound like it won't be as bad in some areas.
Fall out will be tricky. All depends on the wind. I don’t think we can predict or plan.
My long range plan is for after a year. As my supplies run lower.
I used the site some time ago, we are in a rural area with nothing in the way of a military or govt target, fallout "may" be a problem but the prevailing wind direction is AWAY from this area, it may have more to do with the Jet Stream which is normally either North or South of this country.
even the crudest of nuke devices are capable weapons if overall size isn't a factor - if you have a CDX container to bring the weapon into a seaport or international airport - as long as it doesn't enter far enough to trip rad sensors >> KABOOM
When you have limited time and $ for preps, and it is time to shore things up, you need to do a threat assessment (again).
Up until recently, my #1 was an economic collapse. Still is pretty high on the list and may actually occur in tandem with another catastrophic occurrence but, at least you can see that train coming down the tracks before it goes off the rails.
Higher on my immediate threat scale than the traditional use of nukes is the likely hood of a disabling financial, electric or fuel delivery disruption type cyberattack, HEMP/EMP.
I think this is much more likely than a nuke hitting a western country. In 2017 Putin stated that "no one would survive a nuclear war." so he is aware of the futility of starting one. Apparently he has a girl and four kids holding up in Switzerland right now.
"Ventriloquizing for the Kremlin, Putin intimate and director of Russia’s state-run international media giants, RT and Sputnik, Margarita Simonyan, declared on TV: “Russia will invade Ukraine, sparking a conflict with the U.S. that will force entire cities into blackout. … All-out cyber warfare, nationwide forced blackouts.”
U.S. risking cybergeddon with Russia - Washington Times
While not out of the question, if there is a to be a major escalation, I believe it will take a form other than nukes.
Up until recently, my #1 was an economic collapse. Still is pretty high on the list and may actually occur in tandem with another catastrophic occurrence but, at least you can see that train coming down the tracks before it goes off the rails.
Higher on my immediate threat scale than the traditional use of nukes is the likely hood of a disabling financial, electric or fuel delivery disruption type cyberattack, HEMP/EMP.
I think this is much more likely than a nuke hitting a western country. In 2017 Putin stated that "no one would survive a nuclear war." so he is aware of the futility of starting one. Apparently he has a girl and four kids holding up in Switzerland right now.
"Ventriloquizing for the Kremlin, Putin intimate and director of Russia’s state-run international media giants, RT and Sputnik, Margarita Simonyan, declared on TV: “Russia will invade Ukraine, sparking a conflict with the U.S. that will force entire cities into blackout. … All-out cyber warfare, nationwide forced blackouts.”
U.S. risking cybergeddon with Russia - Washington Times
While not out of the question, if there is a to be a major escalation, I believe it will take a form other than nukes.
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Whatever, I don't really care. Humans are locusts for the most part. I will do my best to survive, to take care of my wife, and in her absence, mostly out of curiosity of how it plays out. We ALL have to die, so I don't get too upset about it. 99 problems and fear ain't one.
There are worse things than death.
I have gotten the new german family in the next village to go shopping and get enough food and fuels for a half a year. They just got to Hungary last Aug. and are getting their house together still. I gave him a gasoline powered cooking stove since he only has a propane bottle or electric to cook with so far. I still have gasoline, kerosene, butane, propane, alcohol, wood and electric possibilities to cook with. Oh, I forgot, I have all the necessary parts for a solar cooker too, it is just not assembled.
BTW: I saw a guy cook his lunch with a black cast iron dutch oven, under a single sheet of glass, which he had laid on top of an tractor tire innertube. The black innertube is laying flat on the ground, the dutch oven inside the hole of the "donut" and the glass on top of it all. As the sun goes through the glass and hits the black tube and black pot he got about 170°F in there and got his stew cooked for free. He said you can also bake bread this way but it will just not have a good crust, but baked through.
I found it finally!
Getting Food After a Nuclear War - PrepperFortress
Don't know how valid some of the info is so trust but, verify.
It does make a good point that given the choice between starving to death in the next few weeks or dying of cancer in 20, there might not be much of a choice.
You know the Texas sun...for about 8 months out of the year, all you need is anything black and you can cook. At least after an EMP all those useless cars can be repurposed! LOL
Somewhere I read of somebody writing a book on cooking with your catalytic converter under your car. He figured out how to make a little grill-like contraption which fits to your cat. You decide what you want to cook, how much to cook and where you are driving to, (visit, fishing or hunting) and how long you need to drive till the food was cooked.
A normal cat has temperatures of up to 800°C and can start a fire under your car if you park it in a grassy or lightly wooded area and your car sits kinda low to the ground.
Also, there a lots of youtubers who cook inside the car windows with black pans and aluminum wrapped cardboard box as covers...
A normal cat has temperatures of up to 800°C and can start a fire under your car if you park it in a grassy or lightly wooded area and your car sits kinda low to the ground.
Also, there a lots of youtubers who cook inside the car windows with black pans and aluminum wrapped cardboard box as covers...
I have taken raw veggies from the fridge intended for lunch, added a small amount of water, wrapped it in foil and left it on the dash in the sun. Had a nicely steamed veggie plate to eat by noon!
Lots of ideas just seem to happen per-chance that someone forgot something somewhere and something happened. Learning to use the funny things is part of true survival. MIS-using something for another purpose than the inventor ever thought is important. I taught the kids in my survival camp to punch a couple of small holes in a beer, coke or mineral water bottle and turn it upside down, shake it hard and use it as a fire-extinguisher on a grill or small grass fire. It even worked on a test vehicle in Stuttgart when a engine fire started, a half liter of coke put the fire out. You just have to watch out that it is not used in a very hot metal fire, sugar has lots of energy and will start burning too...like the sugar in a marshmellow.
Allow me to correct:
6db = doubling in volume (perceived loudness, waveform doubles in amplitude)
3db = doubling in energy. A wave of equal frequency and double amplitude carries 4x as much energy, or 6db more. (By the way, a wave of double frequency and equal amplitude carries 16x more energy, or 12db more) A loudspeaker fed with 2 Watts will be 3db louder than one fed with 1 Watt.
Sound loses 6db at distance squared. So a gunshot 100db at 100 yards will be 94db at 200 yards. The air swallows sound by itself, the higher its frequency, the stronger the effect. Including terrain and wind you will lose much more than 6db when doubling the distance.
So 10 db is a 3x reduction in amplitude and a 10x reduction in energy. Suppressors usually suppress between 10 and 30db which is 3-32 reduction in preceived volume.
The noise comes from expanding gasses and the supersonic crack made by the bullet. Also, gasses escape through the chamber at the rear of the barrel, so for a truly quiet rifle you'll want a bolt action with a subsonic round, preferrably a heavy bullet such as .45acp or 300 AAC blackout.
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Nothing to worry about folks. Biden will surrender long before we ever get close to going to war.
Does Biden have silencer on his diaper after his incident with the Queen??? Or was it the Pope????
I agree with youR info...but I ALSO believe that I have extremely more practical experience than almost every person on this forum with such things...when my mechanism and the impact of the bullets are louder than the "explosion" of the expanding gases in my weapon...then the silencer is working like I built it, OR??
