Québec: euthanasia without consent
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As a healthcare worker, I'm on the fence about this euthanasia thing.
I deplore the idea of anyone playing God with peoples' lives.
Yet....does anyone remember Karen Ann Quindlin? She persisted in a mostly vegetative state for over a decade before she died from pneumonia.
I don't see any valid reason for sustaining a body in a vegetative state when the brain is dead, or mostly dead.
Yet to stretch this idea to mercy killing when someone gets a horrible diagnosis is distasteful and wrong.
Although I still support the idea of people dying on their own terms when they're terminally ill.
It's a very complicated subject.
I deplore the idea of anyone playing God with peoples' lives.
Yet....does anyone remember Karen Ann Quindlin? She persisted in a mostly vegetative state for over a decade before she died from pneumonia.
I don't see any valid reason for sustaining a body in a vegetative state when the brain is dead, or mostly dead.
Yet to stretch this idea to mercy killing when someone gets a horrible diagnosis is distasteful and wrong.
Although I still support the idea of people dying on their own terms when they're terminally ill.
It's a very complicated subject.
Really hard to decide on turning a machine off. We had to after my father-in-law was so far. The doctors and nurses came in every morning, expecting him to be dead. He lasted 8 days without the machines. No pain that we know of, but really hard. The family has to decide, not some law or group of doctors. ONLY, what if there are no more family or known family? Really tough. Some want to make more money and keep them alive, others want the do the "humane" thing and let them go...
It works with animals, letting them go...In Germany, the body of a dead person is classified as an "object" and no longer a person. If they are brain dead, does that include them? Are they technically classified as being the same as an animal? Can you just: let them go? My family knows I do not want any machines, I have survived Motorcycle and car accidents, falling from trees, scaffolds and ladders, 2 near drownings, 2 food poisonings, 3 electricity shocks, a sniper and 2 mortar explosions. It was not my time. If it is my time, your laws will not change anything. I will go, and I am ready for it. No Fear, Live free. GP
It works with animals, letting them go...In Germany, the body of a dead person is classified as an "object" and no longer a person. If they are brain dead, does that include them? Are they technically classified as being the same as an animal? Can you just: let them go? My family knows I do not want any machines, I have survived Motorcycle and car accidents, falling from trees, scaffolds and ladders, 2 near drownings, 2 food poisonings, 3 electricity shocks, a sniper and 2 mortar explosions. It was not my time. If it is my time, your laws will not change anything. I will go, and I am ready for it. No Fear, Live free. GP
that's why we have here in Fin a "living will", where you state what you want and not be done,this is done when you still are in the state of sound mind, I'm in the process of doing it myself too,sure I don't wanna die,but I'm not afraid of it,seen already too much of it,will see more
While this is a dangerous precedent, I think we could include all democrats within that definition of 'brain dead'. Hmmmmm….
I don't disagree with you on this.
There seems to be this black and white idea that a person is either 100% conservative or 100% liberal, with no grey areas.
It seems that if a person is conservative on some issues and liberal on others, then this person must be a hypocrite.
The only problem is that real life is filled with grey areas, and being flexible doesn't mean the same thing as having no convictions.
She was being artificially kept a live (ventilator and feeding tube), totally different than lethal injection Vs pulling the plug
The way I see it, a person is a living person as long as the heart beats naturally regardless the state of the brain. We need to call it for what it is euthanasia is lethal injection no sense sugar coating with fancy names that belong in utopia. Lethal injection of a unsuspecting medical patient has nothing to do with mercy or what ever they want to call it but all to do with money, any hospital and/or doctor tells one otherwise are g'damn liars and fxxken says a lot about moral compass of the human race today.
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There's a lot of people that I'd like to volunteer for this euthanasia thing. All of the Democrats that are trying to impeach our president would be first in line. Next would be the brain dead idiots that elected them.
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I really do not understand some people. I hear from a person, "I am against eating meat" then the same idiot says, " I think abortion is ok" ...WTF? KILLING IS KILLING!! Someone says, "I don't hate racists". WTF? Hating is HATING... Someone says, " it's not fair that the others have more money than me", HELLO: if everybody had millions of dollars...who would pick up the trash, work at Walmarts, cook at the restaurant, drive trucks and teach our children?? Someone says, "I think the death penalty is wrong", and then the same brain dead says "I think abortion is ok"...OMG: killing babies? YES, but killing a serial murderer? God help us!! Either you are against all types of killing or not. you can't be such a middle of the road twit. Decide to live and let live. Decide to die and be ready to die. Decide on something and stick with it. Go for the truth and be ready to fight for it. Even if you have to pay, it is worth fighting for, or else just stop talking and let the rest of the world lead the way...Live free. GP
I didn't think demorats were human much less a person with a heart, guess that's what I get for thinking
Here in the US we have living wills too, advance directives, etc that allow you to make those decisions. You can say "don't ever put me on life support" and they won't do it. With hospice services for terminally ill, people can choose comfort measures with pain management, and they don't use "life prolonging" or "curative" treatments, but someone can live the rest of their natural life in relative peace and comfort (usually high on morphine). But most states don't allow any assisted suicide measures that will actually cause someone's death.
I couple years ago my 86yo Mother broke her hip and had to have surgery. When the doctors asked about extended treatment in case she there were issues, she was very clear. She told them "I want to live. Do everything it takes go make it happen". There were no "gray" area in her directives.
At that point, it had been over 30 years since she had last seen a doctor. The strongest medication she had ever taken was Aspirin.
I really like her current doctors. They do not believe in a lot of medications. Only when necessary. She is now approaching 90 and her medication consists of a low dose Tylenol. Her mother lived well pass 100. I suspect she will do the same.
At that point, it had been over 30 years since she had last seen a doctor. The strongest medication she had ever taken was Aspirin.
I really like her current doctors. They do not believe in a lot of medications. Only when necessary. She is now approaching 90 and her medication consists of a low dose Tylenol. Her mother lived well pass 100. I suspect she will do the same.
