Random encounters

[Proud Prepper]

You need one leader in charge of make a fast decisive desicions. An advisory council to assist and predetermin actions to many common situations is a good idea. That's the method we use in our prepper group. In the leader and the rest advise me. All can over rule me if unanimous. The same way all chose me, unanimously as leader.

 

[Røkkr-3]

Instead of electing one person to rule or lead, we have decided to go back to an old leadership system called the Triumvirate - a system that should not be fully unknown. History has shown us way too many times how awfully wrong things can go if just one person is given absolute power - be it religious, political or military.

The Triumvirs get elected by the whole group, everything gets discussed within the whole group or with the persons involved for specific themes. Not to withhold information from the others but because it isn't of interest for them, however everyone can join without having to ask for permission to do so (there are no closed doors). The Triumvirs will then take everything in consideration and decide.

Apart from that, everyone has his/her field of expertise - and his or her expertise is always respected.

 

[tmttactical]

My group has a deciding counsel, --- Me, myself, and I. Advisory board is wife, my sweety and yes dear. Between these two groups, all issued are handled.

 

[BillMasen]

My group has a deciding counsel, --- Me, myself, and I. Advisory board is wife, my sweety and yes dear. Between these two groups, all issued are handled.

I have absolute total and final authority in decision making in our group, So long as I get the wifes approval first.

 

[Dies Irae]

Glad to see that this thread is still visited.

 

[GaRp58]

My 40 years of experience makes me the unfortunate final profi but never the final decider...I let all discuss the topic till they cannot go further, I listen to the possibilities from whoever, decide which is going in the right direction and give a final tip to sound like the final idea came from someone else but with only a tip from me. What they do, is only without me anywhere near, if I know better...GP

 

[Oddcaliber]

Most interesting responses to this question. Let me throw this into the mix. Your group has successfully defeated a band of marauders/ raiders. Casualties on both sides. Now they surrender to you. What to do with the survivors? Put them on trial? Make them prisoners? Or execute them? Were in a WWOL post SHTF time frame.

 

[DrHenley]

Most interesting responses to this question. Let me throw this into the mix. Your group has successfully defeated a band of marauders/ raiders. Casualties on both sides. Now they surrender to you. What to do with the survivors? Put them on trial? Make them prisoners? Or execute them? Were in a WWOL post SHTF time frame.

Quarantine them and put them to work.

 

[Jayson]

Post-SHTF will be just like a combat zone. We’ll have to awaken our animal instincts and be aware of any sound or motion that is out of the ordinary. Like I was taught in Advanced Infantry Training...”When in doubt, throw in a grenade.”

 

[tmttactical]

Most interesting responses to this question. Let me throw this into the mix. Your group has successfully defeated a band of marauders/ raiders. Casualties on both sides. Now they surrender to you. What to do with the survivors? Put them on trial? Make them prisoners? Or execute them? Were in a WWOL post SHTF time frame.

Why on earth would anybody keep defeated marauders around? They attack you, fail and then expect you to let them surrender. Their actions were witnessed by your group, so no trial is needed. They attempted to murder your people, as demonstrated by your casualties. The penalty for attempted murder is death. The only real decision is the form of death. Prisoners require guards, food and water. Their cost in resources far out weigh any benefits gained by their labors as prisoners. As long as they live, they are a threat. Their intentions are already known. Only their failure kept you from being their prisoner / toys.

 

[Jayson]

^ Exactly. The rampaging hordes will murder our men, rape our women, steal our supplies and then move on to the next area. Soft hearts belong on the television soap operas.

 

[GaRp58]

I can only offer my experiences. Urbanprep, Jayson: have you ever been in uniform and taken part in a conflict? Such situations decide your actions in each fight. How they attacked: did they offer a no-attack/non-violent option before the fight started? Or did they just attack spontaneously after stumbling upon your camp? Did they start a small attack to test your strength and then attack your weak side? One is planned and devious, the other is lead from fear or hunger...
Each situation deserves another decision.

EXAMPLE: many Germans were taken prisoner is the fight on Stalingrad. Many were asked why they were still alive since the Russians were quite brutal with the prisoners after seeing the vicious destruction of the SS and the occupation of the taken lands.
The answer was, "I saw that we were surrounded and defeated, so I threw my weapon down and gave up like any intelligent person. They searched me and saw I could have fought further on, as I had ammo and grenades left over.
Those who had no ammo more and evidently only gave up because of their lack of further fighting ability...were shot on the spot as fanatical Hitler lovers".

The same in Vietnam: Soldiers (POW) were lined up and asked why they were in Vietnam. The officer asking had attended West Point and had spoken very good English. The first answered, "I was drafted and sent here".
The next said: "I got taken directly from High School, even tho I wanted to go to college".
The third one answered: "I came to Vietnam to find and kill all communists and destroy their plan to take over the world"
The officer pulled his pistol and shot him on the spot and left the others alive......

In Croatia, we had 3 Neo-nazi wanna-be soldiers show up who wanted to "play war". They spent three days crying in the trenches till we took their guns and ammo and sent them back to the rear where they then returned to Berlin. Probably told some big-time war stories getting drunk with their nazi buddies at home...
Remember, treat others as you would like to be treated and be ready to kill anyway. Very hard things to deal with people. GP

 

[Helen Back]

I hear you, Gary, and agree with your scenario. However, this is not war, and these are not "troops" fighting for their country, because it's what they were ordered to do. Even in your examples, there was still "civilization", and a place (gov't sponsored) to hold POWs. In a SHTF situation, anyone attacking your community is doing so because they want to kill, rape, and pillage. If someone breaks into my home while I am here, they are going down. Didn't you watch Vikings? When Bjorn allowed those guys to live, but exiled them, they came back to kill, rape, and pillage. No prisoners, no retreats. Come in peace, or leave in pieces.

I think my feeling on the matter come from all of the "tough love" my mother gave me in the 80's. F you, Dr. Phil.

 

[BillMasen]

Good Grief you people have some serious aggression issues to deal with , I agree with Gary's appraisal. I assume if anyone comes a salvaging / stealing most of you guys will kill them on sight, but when you have eventually go out looking for replacement resources you dont think other survivors should kill you guys in return as soon as they see you.??

As you walk / ride or drive by their homes/ properties they can assume you are checking them out for a later attack so its OK for them to take you out immediately???

So if you find yourself having to leave your home in search of something essential belonging to someone else they should shoot you on sight? You need medicine for example so you go to see what you can salvage from the pharmacist or local hospital, or a part for the tractor, or plumbing supplies, or any of a million reasons you are forced to go out on a recovery operation etc. You cannot possibly object if the owners of the pharmacy / hospital/ tractor etc shoot you on sight? as soon as you cross onto their property .

How about if you get caught innocently whilst out salvaging or searching and you find yourself on some other survivors property, you simply cannot object if they shoot you on sight, no questions asked.

Personally I will deal with any clear and present immediate danger, then garner as much humint as I can before calmly deciding what to do with trespassers, intruders etc..

 

[BillMasen]

I'm a slow learner but I'm finally starting to grasp the psychology that see's a kid shot dead for the crime of skinny dipping in his neighbours pool in NYC, or the Tourist shot dead through a home owners door after he got lost as dusk fell and he went and banged on a home owners door in TX , or being executed for being a black unarmed jogger in Georgia.

" OK church group the hurricane has passed lets grab some supplies and go calling on people to see if they need rescue or help"
"Oh look theres a house lets go and knock on the door, hmmm no answer lets go round the back to see if anyones home "
Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang.

 

[BillMasen]

European " Do unto others as you would expect to be done to you"
American " Do unto others before they can do it to you "

 

[DrHenley]

What Bill? You think we, uh...

Never mind, I just remembered the Airborne patch...

 

[BillMasen]

What Bill? You think we, uh...

Never mind, I just remembered the Airborne patch...

That takes me back, remember " Reach out and touch someone" and " Peace through superior firepower "

Of course we Brits would NEVER use such blood thirsty iconography we are far to civilised for that

Oh wait...........................................................................

 

[Proud Prepper]

Good Grief you people have some serious aggression issues to deal with , I agree with Gary's appraisal. I assume if anyone comes a salvaging / stealing most of you guys will kill them on sight, but when you have eventually go out looking for replacement resources you dont think other survivors should kill you guys in return as soon as they see you.??

As you walk / ride or drive by their homes/ properties they can assume you are checking them out for a later attack so its OK for them to take you out immediately???

So if you find yourself having to leave your home in search of something essential belonging to someone else they should shoot you on sight? You need medicine for example so you go to see what you can salvage from the pharmacist or local hospital, or a part for the tractor, or plumbing supplies, or any of a million reasons you are forced to go out on a recovery operation etc. You cannot possibly object if the owners of the pharmacy / hospital/ tractor etc shoot you on sight? as soon as you cross onto their property .

How about if you get caught innocently whilst out salvaging or searching and you find yourself on some other survivors property, you simply cannot object if they shoot you on sight, no questions asked.

Personally I will deal with any clear and present immediate danger, then garner as much humint as I can before calmly deciding what to do with trespassers, intruders etc..

The first parts of your post would have been realistic if they where not to the extreme. Read the others posts that you disagree with carefully. It's not at all like the examples you claimed.

 

[BillMasen]

The first parts of your post would have been realistic if they where not to the extreme. Read the others posts that you disagree with carefully. It's not at all like the examples you claimed.

No sorry Rellgar, I dont like disagreeing with people I highly respect and admire BUT The extreme response has been clearly proven to NOT be a rare enough occasion in the US, and I believe AFTER TSHTF the nut jobs will be out in force blasting away at anything and everything.

 

[Proud Prepper]

No sorry Rellgar, I dont like disagreeing with people I highly respect and admire BUT The extreme response has been clearly proven to NOT be a rare enough occasion in the US, and I believe AFTER TSHTF the nut jobs will be out in force blasting away at anything and everything.

I disagree these types are not rare. The vast majority are just mouthing off.
Sure the real nut jobs will come out and do some damage. They will soon be identified and taken out and the rest of us can carry on.

 

[Jayson]

Post SHTF....my same rules for my present neighbors apply to any strangers : Don’t fool with me or my property and we’ll get along just fine. Just keep moving....

 

[GaRp58]

We will all learn our lessons, when we come to that point. Millions of young men and women have been sent into war and hundreds of thousands have been shell-shocked.
Until you have been in the "hell" of daily bombing, shooting and dying, try to keep your comments to a level which you are still telling what you know and not what you think you will do or hope you will be able to do. Just shooting a man which is nearing your house, (for whatever reason), and then find out he was escorting a group of kids leftover from a massacre. Who will take care of the kids now? You? after shooting their guardian angel...think they will not do you in at the first chance? Got enough food for them all or are you just gonna shoot them also??? There is too much leaning out of the window to even let things like a TV series over Vikings teach you to survive or who and why to kill!!The reality of _SHTF_ is yet to come and will not be like anything you have ever lived through if you have not been to war yet. I promise. Gary

 

[JackDW]

After reading the Scenario and giving it some thought, I have come to the conclusion, I DON'T KNOW. I have never really been in anything that even closely resembles that situation and I am not really sure how I would react.

I would hope that I would take a day or so to work it out in my mind before I reacted. I know that immediately following any battle, I would most likely react with violence but I really don't think that would be the best reaction in all situations but, at this time, I do not know what the proper reaction will be.

 

[Jayson]

When faced with extreme danger you could always do what Monty Python did....

 

[Helen Back]

Jesus Christ, WHAT'S THE SCENARIO?!?!? The goal posts keep moving. Is it one guy looking for spare parts, or is it a group of marauders shooting at you first?

 

[VenomJockey]

Turn them into fertilizer. You can't keep/feed prisoners.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Turn them into fertilizer. You can't keep/feed prisoners.

Yeah you right VJ, it's good that your still with us.

 

[Jayson]

Turn them into fertilizer. You can't keep/feed prisoners.

Yup. Drill them, plant them and forget about them.

 

[GaRp58]

GOOD MORNING VENOMJOCKEY!! Glad you joined us. I don't plan on feeding any prisoners, just making sure I am not made one and at the same time not killing the last person who could be a dentist, doctor or a computer nerd which could repair my solar system or fix my appendix and teeth. Don't need any fertilizer or dead bodies poisoning my fresh water system and will not carry the dead pieces miles away to do the same...better if they keep walking and know not to come back.
Glad to hear from you, GP