Repression an example

[Silent Earth]

If my American friends are wondering what their future would be like if Socialists gained full control I would give you an example of the things you face over time.

No more CASH, Many socialists only want digital financial transactions so everything can be monitored or TAXED

No privately owned vehicles

Compulsory ID cards

Bans on ownership of Second homes

Gun controls ( that means BANS) Ammo , power, calibre restrictions, Strict licencing

Compulsory attendence courses for obligatory gun licences.

Bans on public protests ( Hong Kong Style)

Bans on storing Gasoline / Diesel at home

TVs recording your viewing activity

Banning encryption for civilians

Tracking compulsory in all cellular devices

Even suggestions about limiting by law meat and alcohol consumption

Compulsory innoculations

Banning private education

Legal limits on civilians storing food

Full regisration of all radio broadcasting equipment.

These are just a few examples of what you can look forward to, But if I may ask your indulgence a bit more I like to use this analogy.

In the US in MOST places there are no limitations or laws restricting the ownership and power of simple AIR powered guns ( MOST places)

Here is what other "" Free""" (sic) countries have for their air gun owners.

AUSTRIA - No restrictions in fpe but limit on caliber (FAC req for .25 and above)
AUSTRALIA- FAC required for everything and anything.
BELGIUM - No restrictions on rifles
BRAZIL - No restrictions
BULGARIA - No restrictions
CANADA - 500 fps limit without a PAL
CYPRUS - .177 only (No information on energy levels at this time)
CZECH REPUBLIC - 12 fpe (16 Joules)
DENMARK - No restrictions, but soon will have restrictions imposed due a change in the legislation.
ESTONIA - No limits in .177, .22 and larger cal FAC required. No hunting with air gun
FINLAND -There is no muzzle restrictions but anything over .25 calibers requires a license. No hunting with air rifles and all air rifles can be shot in your own garden so long as it is safe .
FRANCE - 20 Joules (15 fpe). Airgun hunting is banned except for rats.
GERMANY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
GREECE - No power or Calibre restriction, Silencers and Scopes are banned by law. Hunting is not allowed.
HOLLAND - No restrictions - NO look a like's
HONG KONG - Max power of 2 Joules without an FAC
HUNGARY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
ITALY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) must be over 18 to buy, over 10 to shoot it with presence of a parent; >6 fpe you need a f.a.c. and you've to declare the purchase to the police. NO Hunting.
JAPAN - Airguns firing metallic projectiles are considered firearms and require a license for specified use
LATVIA - 12 Joules
LITHUANIA - 7.5 Joules (NO hunting allowed)
LUXEMBOURG - FAC required for everything and anything.
MALTA - FAC required for everything and anything.
NEW ZEALAND - PCPs require Firearms License
NORTHERN IRELAND & EIRE - Airguns or CO2 guns that are in excess of one (1) Joule (0.737 ft/lbf) require to be held on an FAC.
NORWAY - No restrictions
PHILIPPINES - No restrictions but all airguns must be registered at the local police office. No license required (formality)
POLAND - 12.5 fpe (17 Joules) (NO hunting allowed) >17 Joules allowed if gun is registered with police (Formality)
PORTUGAL - .177 or .22 velocity of 1181 fps Hunting not allowed
ROMANIA - FAC needed for everything
RUSSIA - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) (Unsure of this one)
SLOVAK REPUBLIC - 11 fpe (15 Joules)
SLOVENIA -4.5mm power limit 200m/s, for 5.5 it is 20 joule and below 200m/s and for 6.35 it is 20 joule. Hunting forbidden, silencers forbidden.
SOUTH AFRICA - Below .22 No restrictions on power. .22 and above 7.5J No hunting with airguns, but pest control allowed, no shooting in built up areas. (exceptions for Big Bore when having a hunting license - hunting on larger game)
SWITZERLAND - Over 18 to purchase. Illegal to hunt with an air rifle. No power limit .
SPAIN - 18 fpe (24.5 Joules)
SWEDEN - 7.5 fpe (10 Joules) also maximum velocity of 200m/s. The same for rifles and pistols. Semi or full auto airguns: 3 Joules
TURKEY - No restrictions
UNITED KINGDOM - 12 fpe (16 Joules)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - No restrictions (Except New Jersey, Delaware and Michigan)

 

[lonewolf]

The Labour party in the UK might call themselves socialists but it is run by a load of out and out commies.

 

[GaRp58]

GERMANY - 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)

In Germany you can purchase blank guns used for tear gas or shooting fireworks on New Years. But, it must be registered with a "mini" gun license if you want to carry it or transport in openly in your car. You cannot even shoot a mouse or rat with a BB or pellet gun in your own yard without the authorities showing up and filing charges against you for cruelty to animals...GP

 

[Silent Earth]

In Germany you can purchase blank guns used for tear gas or shooting fireworks on New Years. But, it must be registered with a "mini" gun license if you want to carry it or transport in openly in your car. You cannot even shoot a mouse or rat with a BB or pellet gun in your own yard without the authorities showing up and filing charges against you for cruelty to animals...GP

i rember an austrian chap in the 1930s who thought it was a good idea to disarm the public and only allow party members to be armed

 

[GaRp58]

i rember an austrian chap in the 1930s who thought it was a good idea to disarm the public and only allow party members to be armed

I remember studying history, reading of an Austrian chap who failed in Art school, was sexually abused by his Uncle, sold his ass in Vienna to survive till he could join the army in WW I, created chaos in another land, declared the Arians to be better (blond and blue-eyed), was black haired an brown-eyed , sent 12 old kids to fight the russians in Berlin and then committed the suicide of a coward. And now he is the hero of millions of non-arian followers.....GP

 

[lonewolf]

I don't believe that committed suicide stuff, that's the official line but I don't believe any of it.

 

[KateMTx]

This is why anonymous fungible cryptocurrencies are so important.

 

[GaRp58]

Some say so, others so. He did not fight to the end. Hundreds of Japanese fought up into the 1980s, before believing the war was over. Half a million Brits left Dunkirk, only to return later. Teenagers were spies in Holland, Belgium, France, Norway, Poland and other lands. They fought and died for their beliefs. Millions of soldiers died for dozens of wars, only to be survived by those cowards who started the war in the first place. The austrian did not. No matter where he is, here or hell. GP

 

[lonewolf]

anonymous fungible cryptocurrencies [/QUOTE]
that's a mouth full!! haven't a clue what it means.

 

[lonewolf]

Some say so, others so. He did not fight to the end. Hundreds of Japanese fought up into the 1980s, before believing the war was over. Half a million Brits left Dunkirk, only to return later. Teenagers were spies in Holland, Belgium, France, Norway, Poland and other lands. They fought and died for their beliefs. Millions of soldiers died for dozens of wars, only to be survived by those cowards who started the war in the first place. The austrian did not. No matter where he is, here or hell. GP

some say he escaped to South America and died an old man, even dug up a grave and proved it by DNA they say.

 

[KateMTx]

anonymous fungible cryptocurrencies

that's a mouth full!! haven't a clue what it means.[/QUOTE]
It's a way to complete untraceable transactions after the disappearance of cash. A lot of other problems can be avoided if there is still a way to do this because a black market is still possible.

 

[GaRp58]

Like I said, where ever he is. I've heard of the Yeti, Bigfoot and Sasquatch. Heard of smart blondes, honest politicians and virgin whores too. I would believe many things, but if I remember what Marvin Gay once sang: "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see" Got it?

 

[lonewolf]

out of my league, no cash and no card readers, that will mean its SHTF as far as most people are concerned.

 

[lonewolf]

Like I said, where ever he is. I've heard of the Yeti, Bigfoot and Sasquatch. Heard of smart blondes, honest politicians and virgin whores too. I would believe many things, but if I remember what Marvin Gay once sang: "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see" Got it?

I don't believe much of what I see OR hear these days.

 

[Silent Earth]

I remember studying history, reading of an Austrian chap who failed in Art school, was sexually abused by his Uncle, sold his ass in Vienna to survive till he could join the army in WW I, created chaos in another land, declared the Arians to be better (blond and blue-eyed), was black haired an brown-eyed , sent 12 old kids to fight the russians in Berlin and then committed the suicide of a coward. And now he is the hero of millions of non-arian followers.....GP

Ah so you know of Sepp Deitrich as well or was it Otto Skorensky, No Ernst Rohm......Only Joking

 

[GaRp58]

Yes sir, alcohol, ammo, tobacco, flour, sugar, salt, cooking oil, even toilette paper, that is the hard cash of the SHTF days. ASS; GAS; OR GRASS, nobody rides for free...

 

[lonewolf]

Yes sir, alcohol, ammo, tobacco, flour, sugar, salt, cooking oil, even toilette paper, that is the hard cash of the SHTF days. ASS; GAS; OR GRASS, nobody rides for free...

your talking about bartering now, that wont be safe post SHTF for a long time, a long long time, and i'm not just talking weeks or even months.

 

[GaRp58]

out of my league, no cash and no card readers, that will mean its SHTF as far as most people are concerned.

(DING) Ring the bell school is now in! no cash, no cards, (no shirt/no service) Get your BOB, the SHTF, load the BOV run to BOL and go past GO, collect $200,00 and go directly into hibernation from the MOBs of Zombies....

Just joking, GP:m4:

 

[lonewolf]

(DING) Ring the bell school is now in! no cash, no cards, (no shirt/no service) Get your BOB, the SHTF, load the BOV run to BOL and go past GO, collect $200,00 and go directly into hibernation from the MOBs of Zombies....

Just joking, GP:m4:

or like me, your already bugged out !! and its BP not GP.

 

[KateMTx]

Yes sir, alcohol, ammo, tobacco, flour, sugar, salt, cooking oil, even toilette paper, that is the hard cash of the SHTF days. ASS; GAS; OR GRASS, nobody rides for free...

I'm not talking post-SHTF, I'm talking under an repressive regime with the resources of a modern society. Yes, after SHTF fiat currencies of any kind will be worthless at it will return to a barter system or gold/silver/other metals as currency.

 

[GaRp58]

Yes, after SHTF fiat currencies of any kind will be worthless at it will return to a barter system or gold/silver/other metals as currency.

Be careful friends. The ONLY reason that the pretty little pieces of colored paper and pieces of metal in various colors have ANY value, is because: the very system against we are all prepping, says that they have a value....Gold and money only have a face value when backed by a SYSTEM. Systemfail = valuefail. If I have any hard cash, I prep with it, house upgrade, food upgrade, more arrows, more winter clothes, spare anything...but not in the bank which I don't trust anyway.

 

[DrHenley]

Be careful friends. The ONLY reason that the pretty little pieces of colored paper and pieces of metal in various colors have ANY value, is because: the very system against we are all prepping, says that they have a value....Gold and money only have a face value when backed by a SYSTEM.

Thousands of years of history say otherwise my friend.

 

[lonewolf]

once the system collapses the only way to trade will be barter, and that wont be safe until a long time post SHTF.
your paper money will only be useful as a fire starter, and your shiny bits of metal will be made into jewellery.

 

[GaRp58]

Thousands of years of history say otherwise my friend.

Any good examples to convince me? I have 13 generations of Croatian money from the Austrian-Hungarian time till the modern Kuna. None of them lasted past a war or currency change. I bought Iraki dinar, hoping to see it go back to its old value and giving me a return of 4000%, didn't happen. Still got money saying the "South will rise again" Hasn't happened yet. Watched thousands of people in Germany buying stocks in the Telecom. Went from €27,00 to over €180,00 per stock, and 9 months later dropped to € 8,00. Thousands of little old ladies were financially F****d of their retirement. I only believe and invest in material and food. The rest, might be you are right. Don't wanna take the chances of watching my money "go up in smoke" (or fecies) when SHTF. Your turn, DrH.

 

[DrHenley]

Any good examples to convince me? I have 13 generations of Croatian money from the Austrian-Hungarian time till the modern Kuna

You are confusing fiat currency with money. It's understandable why you would confuse the two because the governments of the world have replaced money with fiat currency and led everyone to believe it is money. We call it "money" out of habit but it's not. Not anymore.

Here are the properties of money:
Medium of exchange
Unit of account
Store of value
Divisible
Fungible (two pieces of the same weight have the same value)
Durable
Portable

Fiat money, especially paper currency is somewhat durable, but does degrade over time. Fiat currency is not a reliable store of wealth because the value of every fiat currency in history eventually went to zero.

But you asked for an example, so I'll give you one. The Spanish Milled Dollar became the universal "Money" of the New World and was actually the first world wide international currency. The consistent size, weight and purity made it the most reliable coin in the New World (similar thing happened previously with the Thaler in Europe).

Long after the Spanish Empire was gone from North America, the Spanish Milled Dollar (Officially called the Peso by the Spaniards, worth eight reales) was the standard money in North America. It didn't need a government backing it. Hell, even the pirates of the Caribbean used it as their standard currency. ("Pieces of Eight")

To enact the Coinage Act of 1792, when the United States decided to come up with a standard One Dollar Coin ("Dollar" is actually English for "Thaler") Alexander Hamilton took a batch of circulated Spanish Dollars, got the average weight, and set that as the weight of the Silver Dollar. That's why a U.S. dollar was a little lighter than a brand new Spanish Dollar. Spanish Dollars circulated along side of U.S. Dollars as official U.S. currency all the way up until the Coinage Act of 1857.

A Spanish Milled Dollar NEVER lost it's value because it was real money.

A little bit of trivia about the Spanish Milled Dollar:
Smaller coins were fairly rare, so to make change people would cut larger coins into pieces (remember the "Divisible" part about money?). Since cutting a coin by halving it, then halving the halves, then halving the quarters was the most convenient way of cutting it up, the large coins were worth 8 reales which made it easier to make change. The smallest practical division of a coin was an eighth, and that was called a "bit". So if you divide a Spanish Dollar into eight pieces, you get eight "bits" - each worth one Reale. Two bits are a fourth of a dollar. Ever heard a quarter called "two bits"? That's why.

Here is the original "quarter" worth two Reales ("two bits" in America)

Notice that "S" shaped scroll around the column?

Looks kind of like this: $ Doesn't it? That's no coincidence...

 

[KateMTx]

Be careful friends. The ONLY reason that the pretty little pieces of colored paper and pieces of metal in various colors have ANY value, is because: the very system against we are all prepping, says that they have a value....Gold and money only have a face value when backed by a SYSTEM. Systemfail = valuefail. If I have any hard cash, I prep with it, house upgrade, food upgrade, more arrows, more winter clothes, spare anything...but not in the bank which I don't trust anyway.

Gold and precious metals have had value throughout human history, even among very uncivilized peoples.

 

[GaRp58]

Well darn it. I studied history for 2 semesters in Ft. Sill. From 1515 to 1980 was the time frame. World history. Never got into the info now provided from the honorable DrHenley. I stand corrected and am amazed. Thank you and Kate for you combined forces to teach an old dog new tricks. I rest my case. (still don't like banks)

Something else: Bank, cash flow, liquidity. The whole idea from this comes from the maritime laws. A river is held under control by its "river(bank)" When the river has enough water it is "liquid" and not dried up. As a person or company need liquid assets. And the river also needs to --flow-- continously, or it will overflow its -banks-. Cashflow is needed to continously maintain the liquidity of money and up hold the "banks" so the Banks can keep the cash flow, liquidity and money under control.

 

[lonewolf]

post SHTF the only thing that will matter will be what you can put in your mouth and how you do it.
forget barter, of any kind, goods or "money", that wont be safe for a long time post SHTF and how do we know there are any survivors to trade with and will they have anything left to trade with? too "iffy" and no guarantees, self reliance is the only way we can survive, not depending on trading with others who might not exist in the new reality.

 

[KateMTx]

post SHTF the only thing that will matter will be what you can put in your mouth and how you do it.
forget barter, of any kind, goods or "money", that wont be safe for a long time post SHTF and how do we know there are any survivors to trade with and will they have anything left to trade with? too "iffy" and no guarantees, self reliance is the only way we can survive, not depending on trading with others who might not exist in the new reality.

There may be a period of time in which this is true, but humans have always developed civilizations throughout history and I think it will happen again, once the survivors have accepted the reality of the post-SHTF world. Will we need to be a lot more guarded in our day-to-day interactions? Absolutely. But I don't believe it's going to be completely everyone for themselves. While we can't depend on trade with others, neither can we depend on going completely solo. We need to prepare for various scenarios and history suggests that humans are likely to form groups and begin trading and bartering with each other.

 

[tmttactical]

Phases to barter time--- SHTF --- die off ---- survival ---- recovery ---- and last but not least, the Rebuilding phase. The last phase is where barter will begin to take place. Why would you give up storage space and invest the money to store items that will not be needed in the first four phases? All my storage space and resources will be dedicated to purchasing and storing items that will help me make it to the last phase.