Helpful Info. Seven Antibiotics to Stockpile and Why

[MaterielGeneral]

Here is an article from the LDS Preparedness Manual Handbook

Seven Antibiotics to Stockpile and Why,
by Cynthia J. Koelker, MD

Assuming your personal physician will help you stockpile antibiotics for TEOTWAWKI, which should you request? Is there a logical reason to have amoxicillin on hand rather than doxycycline?

Here’s what I would suggest and why. No antibiotic is effective against every type of microbe. Certain ones will kill aerobic bacteria, others are used
for anaerobic bacteria, still others are effective against resistant strains, and certain people are allergic to or intolerant of various antibiotics. The following are all generics, running about $10 for about a month’s treatment.


Amoxicillin is the old standby for most respiratory infections (probably most of which are viral and don’t even require antibiotics). It is excellent for strep throat and some strains of pneumococcal bacteria. It is also safe for children and pregnant women. It is well-tolerated, causing little stomach distress or diarrhea. The drawbacks are that some people are truly allergic, and many bacteria have developed resistance to amoxicillin (especially staph) through overuse among both humans and animals. Anyone truly allergic to amoxicillin should substitute erythromycin or another antibiotic.

Cephalexin works on most of the same bacteria as amoxicillin, plus is stronger against Staph aureus, which mostly causes skin infections. It rarely works
against MRSA (resistant staph), however. It is also well-tolerated in children and is safe in pregnant women, causing few side-effects. Like any antibiotic, it carries the risk of allergy. People who develop anaphylaxis (a life-threatening allergy) with amoxicillin probably should not take cephalexin, as there is a good 10% cross-reactivity between the two. If I had to choose between stockpiling amoxicillin or cephalexin, I would choose cephalexin. The combination drug, amoxicillin-clavulanate (Augmentin), is as strong against staph, but more expensive and harder on the stomach.

Ciprofloxacin is useful for anthrax (which I’ve never seen), urinary tract and prostate infections (which are very common), and many forms of pneumonia and bronchitis. One of the more important and selective uses of ciprofloxacin is in combination with metronidazole for diverticulitis. This potentially life-threatening infection usually (or at least often) requires two antibiotics to resolve. (Levaquin and Avelox are a bit stronger than ciprofloxacin and could be substituted for this, but are much more expensive.) Ciprofloxacin is not used in women or children unless the benefit clearly outweighs the risk, although the risk of joint damage (seen in animals) appears minimal. Taking ciprofloxacin by mouth is nearly as effective as taking by IV.

Doxycycline is useful in penicillin/amoxicillin-allergic adults for respiratory infections and some urinary/ prostate infections. It is avoided in children and pregnant women unless the benefit clearly outweighs the risk (of permanent tooth discoloration in children under the age of 8). Doxycycline is sometimes effective against penicillin-resistant bacteria. If I were limited to either doxycycline or erythromycin, I would choose
erythromycin for stockpile.

Erythromycin is useful for most of the same infections amoxicillin is used for, and thus can be substituted in penicillin-allergic patients. However, erythromycin tends to cause the intestine to contract, often causing cramps or diarrhea. (This property is sometimes used to help patients with conditions that impair intestinal motility.) It can be safely used in children and pregnant women.

Metronidazole is an unusual antibiotic used for very specific infections. It is aimed primarily at anaerobic bacteria, primarily those found in the intestine. It is also used for certain STDs, including trichomonas. As mentioned above, it is very useful in combination with ciprofloxacin (or SMZ-TMP, below) for diverticulitis. It is the only inexpensive antibiotic effective for Clostridium difficile (c. diff, or antibiotic-related) colitis. It is also effective against certain amoeba. This drug is not used in children unless the benefit clearly outweighs the risk.

SMZ-TMP is a combination drug of sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim. The latter antibiotic is used mainly for urinary infections. The sulfa component is
effective against many respiratory bacteria and most urinary pathogens, although ciprofloxacin is somewhat stronger. The main reason to stockpile SMZ


TMP is due to its effectiveness against resistant staph (MRSA).

Of course, only the most understanding fellow-prepper physician is likely to prescribe all these in quantity. The list can be narrowed a bit, by dropping doxycycline (since erythromycin covers most microbes that doxycycline would kill, and can be used in young children) and amoxicillin (because cephalexin covers most amoxicillin-sensitive bacteria and has the benefit of effectiveness against staph aureus).

My top five antibiotics would therefore be:

Cephalexin

Ciprofloxacin

Erythromycin

Metronidazole

SMZ-TMP

Of these, SMZ-TMP and ciprofloxacin have the most duplicate coverage, as do cephalexin and erythromycin. Since the intolerance of erythromycin is much
higher than is allergy to cephalexin, I would favor cephalexin. Ciprofloxacin is stronger for intra-abdominal infections than SMZ-TMP, and is less likely to develop resistance. Although its use in children is a bit of a concern due to the question of joint pain (although this is rare), I would favor ciprofloxacin over than SMZTMP, even though SMZ-TMP is effective against MRSA. However, when the use of antibiotics is severely curtailed,
antibiotic resistance will also decrease, and therefore MRSA will become less of a concern.

Therefore, my top three antibiotics to stockpile would be:

Cephalexin

Ciprofloxacin

Metronidazole

Using these three alone or in combination would cover around 90% of the infections physicians commonly encounter, as well as several less-likely threats (including anthrax and C. diff).

Copyright © 2010 Cynthia J. Koelker, MD
For more articles by Dr. Koelker visit

ArmageddonMedicine.net.

I highly recommend that you get a copy of the LDS Preparedness Manual Handbook . There is a lot of useful stuff in it, especially for a new prepper. Google it or just pm me. I have it on PDF.

Dr. Alton AKA Dr Bones from Doom and Bloom https://www.doomandbloom.net/wp-content/wp_fast_cache/www.doomandbloom.net/index.html is making a video series on antibiotics that are pretty good. I recommend that you watch and learn.











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKzMGnEjSrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-lqtpD2-O0

Here is an article about antibiotics expiration dates.
http://thesurvivaldoctor.com/2015/08/05/expired-antibiotics/

Check out this article.
"retailers continue to offer ketoconazole, which is not an antibiotic, but rather an antifungal. Ketoconazole is sold right along with common antibiotics such as penicillin, likely leading the uninformed reader to wrongly conclude that they are equally safe and effective for bacterial illnesses such as pneumonia and strep throat, which ketoconazole is not.

I have also previously warned against the use of this drug for common fungal infections, due to rare but potentially fatal liver failure. As of this week the FDA has re-issued a warning against the use of this drug, except for serious infections if no safer treatment is available."
http://armageddonmedicine.net/?p=7813

I will try to attach some books on antibiotics from my electronic library that is in the marketplace.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

Here are some books from my library.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

Here are some more.

 

[lonewolf]

stockpiling any sort of prescription drug in the UK is impossible, GP's(family doctors) will only give enough for about 28 days maximum and then only for a specific condition and your supposed to take the complete dose, so any kind of stockpile is not doable.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

stockpiling any sort of prescription drug in the UK is impossible, GP's(family doctors) will only give enough for about 28 days maximum and then only for a specific condition and your supposed to take the complete dose, so any kind of stockpile is not doable.

Order the fish antibiotics. Same lab, same size, color and markings as the human antibiotics.

 

[lonewolf]

Order the fish antibiotics. Same lab, same size, color and markings as the human antibiotics.

take something meant for a fish? no thanks, plenty of natural medicines around before I do that.

 

[Brent S]

take something meant for a fish? no thanks, plenty of natural medicines around before I do that.

Lol. It's the same pill, made at the same plant as the stuff sold for us. For some reason it can legally be sold as pet medecine without a script but not the other way around.

 

[Brent S]

Lol. It's the same pill, made at the same plant as the stuff sold for us. For some reason it can legally be sold as pet medecine without a script but not the other way around.

One note though. Having the knowledge of which to use when is very important though. Stockpiling them without written information on hand of when to use or not and for what is a must.

 

[user 6493]

Here is an article from the LDS Preparedness Manual Handbook

Seven Antibiotics to Stockpile and Why,
by Cynthia J. Koelker, MD

Assuming your personal physician will help you stockpile antibiotics for TEOTWAWKI, which should you request? Is there a logical reason to have amoxicillin on hand rather than doxycycline?

Here’s what I would suggest and why. No antibiotic is effective against every type of microbe. Certain ones will kill aerobic bacteria, others are used
for anaerobic bacteria, still others are effective against resistant strains, and certain people are allergic to or intolerant of various antibiotics. The following are all generics, running about $10 for about a month’s treatment.


Amoxicillin is the old standby for most respiratory infections (probably most of which are viral and don’t even require antibiotics). It is excellent for strep throat and some strains of pneumococcal bacteria. It is also safe for children and pregnant women. It is well-tolerated, causing little stomach distress or diarrhea. The drawbacks are that some people are truly allergic, and many bacteria have developed resistance to amoxicillin (especially staph) through overuse among both humans and animals. Anyone truly allergic to amoxicillin should substitute erythromycin or another antibiotic.

Cephalexin works on most of the same bacteria as amoxicillin, plus is stronger against Staph aureus, which mostly causes skin infections. It rarely works
against MRSA (resistant staph), however. It is also well-tolerated in children and is safe in pregnant women, causing few side-effects. Like any antibiotic, it carries the risk of allergy. People who develop anaphylaxis (a life-threatening allergy) with amoxicillin probably should not take cephalexin, as there is a good 10% cross-reactivity between the two. If I had to choose between stockpiling amoxicillin or cephalexin, I would choose cephalexin. The combination drug, amoxicillin-clavulanate (Augmentin), is as strong against staph, but more expensive and harder on the stomach.

Ciprofloxacin is useful for anthrax (which I’ve never seen), urinary tract and prostate infections (which are very common), and many forms of pneumonia and bronchitis. One of the more important and selective uses of ciprofloxacin is in combination with metronidazole for diverticulitis. This potentially life-threatening infection usually (or at least often) requires two antibiotics to resolve. (Levaquin and Avelox are a bit stronger than ciprofloxacin and could be substituted for this, but are much more expensive.) Ciprofloxacin is not used in women or children unless the benefit clearly outweighs the risk, although the risk of joint damage (seen in animals) appears minimal. Taking ciprofloxacin by mouth is nearly as effective as taking by IV.

Doxycycline is useful in penicillin/amoxicillin-allergic adults for respiratory infections and some urinary/ prostate infections. It is avoided in children and pregnant women unless the benefit clearly outweighs the risk (of permanent tooth discoloration in children under the age of 8). Doxycycline is sometimes effective against penicillin-resistant bacteria. If I were limited to either doxycycline or erythromycin, I would choose
erythromycin for stockpile.

Erythromycin is useful for most of the same infections amoxicillin is used for, and thus can be substituted in penicillin-allergic patients. However, erythromycin tends to cause the intestine to contract, often causing cramps or diarrhea. (This property is sometimes used to help patients with conditions that impair intestinal motility.) It can be safely used in children and pregnant women.

Metronidazole is an unusual antibiotic used for very specific infections. It is aimed primarily at anaerobic bacteria, primarily those found in the intestine. It is also used for certain STDs, including trichomonas. As mentioned above, it is very useful in combination with ciprofloxacin (or SMZ-TMP, below) for diverticulitis. It is the only inexpensive antibiotic effective for Clostridium difficile (c. diff, or antibiotic-related) colitis. It is also effective against certain amoeba. This drug is not used in children unless the benefit clearly outweighs the risk.

SMZ-TMP is a combination drug of sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim. The latter antibiotic is used mainly for urinary infections. The sulfa component is
effective against many respiratory bacteria and most urinary pathogens, although ciprofloxacin is somewhat stronger. The main reason to stockpile SMZ


TMP is due to its effectiveness against resistant staph (MRSA).

Of course, only the most understanding fellow-prepper physician is likely to prescribe all these in quantity. The list can be narrowed a bit, by dropping doxycycline (since erythromycin covers most microbes that doxycycline would kill, and can be used in young children) and amoxicillin (because cephalexin covers most amoxicillin-sensitive bacteria and has the benefit of effectiveness against staph aureus).

My top five antibiotics would therefore be:

Cephalexin

Ciprofloxacin

Erythromycin

Metronidazole

SMZ-TMP

Of these, SMZ-TMP and ciprofloxacin have the most duplicate coverage, as do cephalexin and erythromycin. Since the intolerance of erythromycin is much
higher than is allergy to cephalexin, I would favor cephalexin. Ciprofloxacin is stronger for intra-abdominal infections than SMZ-TMP, and is less likely to develop resistance. Although its use in children is a bit of a concern due to the question of joint pain (although this is rare), I would favor ciprofloxacin over than SMZTMP, even though SMZ-TMP is effective against MRSA. However, when the use of antibiotics is severely curtailed,
antibiotic resistance will also decrease, and therefore MRSA will become less of a concern.

Therefore, my top three antibiotics to stockpile would be:

Cephalexin

Ciprofloxacin

Metronidazole

Using these three alone or in combination would cover around 90% of the infections physicians commonly encounter, as well as several less-likely threats (including anthrax and C. diff).

Copyright © 2010 Cynthia J. Koelker, MD
For more articles by Dr. Koelker visit

ArmageddonMedicine.net.

I highly recommend that you get a copy of the LDS Preparedness Manual Handbook . There is a lot of useful stuff in it, especially for a new prepper. Google it or just pm me. I have it on PDF.

Dr. Alton AKA Dr Bones from Doom and Bloom https://www.doomandbloom.net/wp-content/wp_fast_cache/www.doomandbloom.net/index.html is making a video series on antibiotics that are pretty good. I recommend that you watch and learn.











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKzMGnEjSrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-lqtpD2-O0

Here is an article about antibiotics expiration dates.
http://thesurvivaldoctor.com/2015/08/05/expired-antibiotics/

Check out this article.
"retailers continue to offer ketoconazole, which is not an antibiotic, but rather an antifungal. Ketoconazole is sold right along with common antibiotics such as penicillin, likely leading the uninformed reader to wrongly conclude that they are equally safe and effective for bacterial illnesses such as pneumonia and strep throat, which ketoconazole is not.

I have also previously warned against the use of this drug for common fungal infections, due to rare but potentially fatal liver failure. As of this week the FDA has re-issued a warning against the use of this drug, except for serious infections if no safer treatment is available."
http://armageddonmedicine.net/?p=7813

I will try to attach some books on antibiotics from my electronic library that is in the marketplace.

the fish antibiotics from everything I have read they are close to the same thing that a doctor will give you,I don't keep any on hand but I should and they are far cheaper than the meds you get from the drug store

 

[Maverick]

These are what I have each one in various strengths 250/500mg except for 1 or two in the 80mg or less like sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim. I have pictures somewhere on the board of all the meds I stockpile

fish flex forte (Cephalexin)
Fish Pen Forte (Penicillin)
Fish Mox (Amoxicillin)
Fish Flox (Ciprofloxican)
Fish Zole Forte (Metronidazole)
Fish Cillin (Ampicillin)
Bird Sulfa (sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim)
Bird Biotic (Doxycycline)

 

[Maverick]

The thing about antibiotics, it's the last resort... 'when all else fails'

 

[MaterielGeneral]

The thing about antibiotics, it's the last resort... 'when all else fails'

I agree. If it is normal times you have no business taking anything not prescribed. Ideally you want a laboratory testing and telling you what you need medicine for. If it is SHTF and you cannot or it is unsafe to go to a doctor then that is another story. I recommend that anybody print off some of those adobe pdf books I uploaded. They give dosage and how long to take the meds. Taking antibiotics are so much more than just buying some pills and popping them when you don't feel good. Try to educate yourself on different reasons why you would need to take them and what pill would be right for the job. You don't have to have years of college but it does take some research to get to the walk stage if you use the military crawl, walk, run analogy of training and proficiency.

 

[Maverick]

Self diagnose in normal times and bad times is, can and will become problematic, more than the majority of folks in this o'l world don't know the difference between a virus and bacteria for starters. Having books like PDRs, Nurses Drug book(s) and EMRA Antibiotic Guide plus downloads like you listed would be a big help in a SHTF and TEOTWAWKI, still though, hazards of self-diagnosing.... though we aren't going to have much of a choice in the end when things go south.

 

[Dani]

I really need to check out the fish isle instead of cutting down all those calf boluses ! I've been known to give a sulfa pill for the goats for a bladder infection to get thru to a doctor visit.

 

[lonewolf]

nobody's ever explained the dosage of these fish biotics to me, heck of a size difference between a fish and a man? surely there are side effects with something that is designed for a fish? there are side effects with all medicines.

 

[Brent S]

nobody's ever explained the dosage of these fish biotics to me, heck of a size difference between a fish and a man? surely there are side effects with something that is designed for a fish? there are side effects with all medicines.

They are the same pill that was made for people. No difference. There should be dosage info on the bottle, like 80 milligram or something. Just make sure that corresponds to the info telling you how much and what kind of antiobiotic to take for what.

 

[Maverick]

They are the same pills as Brent said, they are in both 250mg and 500mg, for fish you are not treating the fish per say but treating the water. The pills are identical as to the human counter parts, same register number, same size and same color, the ingredients are exactly the same. The same lab out of Arizona produces these pills for aquatics, animals and humans, they are with a different label because the FDA requires it.

 

[lonewolf]

i'm in Britain so there may be differences, i'm still a bit sceptical, I prefer to stick to natural remedies.

 

[Maverick]

i'm in Britain so there may be differences, i'm still a bit sceptical, I prefer to stick to natural remedies.

I also prefer natural remedies over chemical healing, nothing wrong with being skeptical in fact it should be encouraged across the board, practically the entire world lives by a chemical induced life. At some point nature is going to say enough is enough!

 

[lonewolf]

At some point nature is going to say enough is enough!

mother nature already has, that why we have superbugs caused by doctors handing out antibiotics like candy.

 

[DrHenley]

Here is a good antibiotics guide compiled by Johns Hopkins. You might want to download and print it out. What antibiotics to use for what and dosage guidelines. Very detailed!

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/amp/guidelines/Antibiotic_guidelines.pdf

 

[lonewolf]

I've put it on my favourites bar, i'm just wondering how important antibiotics need to be, I mean I've only ever taken them twice-to my knowledge and only for minor ailments which weren't life threatening and even then under duress.
the ability to obtain and make natural antibiotics and other remedies far outweighs any sort of stockpile of pharmaceutical drugs to my mind.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

take something meant for a fish? no thanks, plenty of natural medicines around before I do that.

Like I said Same lab, same size, color and markings as the human antibiotics just marketed for fish. The human psyche has a strong will to live. If the time comes it doesn't matter if you smeared dog crap on it you would take it if it saved your life. During emergencies a small amount of people commit suicide and a large amount of people cry out to God to save them.

I'm not discounting medicine from plants. Actually I have 3 or 4 books on the subject. I know you will probably not change your mind about the pills because if I remember correctly we talked about this on another forum. I still wanted to try and change your mind, LOL. If you cannot order them or if they charge an insane tax then let me know. You can paypal the money or order it and ship to me and then I reship to you. I don't mind helping a brother out.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

Here is a good antibiotics guide compiled by Johns Hopkins. You might want to download and print it out. What antibiotics to use for what and dosage guidelines. Very detailed!

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/amp/guidelines/Antibiotic_guidelines.pdf

Doc, you rock man. This is awesome and it is already added to my library. I will share on some other forums on this same thread that I created. I wonder if you can buy a hard copy? I will have to research it.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

I've put it on my favourites bar, i'm just wondering how important antibiotics need to be, I mean I've only ever taken them twice-to my knowledge and only for minor ailments which weren't life threatening and even then under duress.
the ability to obtain and make natural antibiotics and other remedies far outweighs any sort of stockpile of pharmaceutical drugs to my mind.

Paul, I would save it to your computer not just the link. I have done that in the past and then that page was removed. sucked. Even though you don't want them, I would still get a small supply for your family. Like my son getting pneumonia over the holidays, **** happens. Some stuff out there needs a strong antibiotic.
I know seeing my 15 year old lying in that hospital bed made me cry like a bitch (I don't know how my wife kept it together everyday) but I cant imagine my kids lying there dying and knowing I could of done something to save them in preparations and I decided not to.

 

[DrHenley]

I'm generally with bigpaul about taking antibiotics. The last prescription I was given is in the freezer, I never took any because I didn't think it was warranted.

I prefer to give my body a chance to fight off the infection first, unless it's something very serious.

 

[lonewolf]

we now have superbugs which are antibiotic resistant so I don't think a stockpile of these would make any difference.