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My Dad was a plumber. He quit school after 8th grade. He worked on the Alcan Highway at age 16 and enlisted for WW2 at age 17. He did much better than I have done with an MS in soil science.
My Dad was a plumber, quit school in the 8 th grade because his dad died and he had to take care of his mom and little sister!! He did great until he had a bad accident when I was three years old! When he got through that he went back to work, but on a big ranch!!
 
My Dad was a plumber, quit school in the 8 th grade because his dad died and he had to take care of his mom and little sister!! He did great until he had a bad accident when I was three years old! When he got through that he went back to work, but on a big ranch!!
Same with my Dad, he had to help support the family (6 kids in his family). He had to step up his game when his father, my grandfather, died. His Dad was working on the plumbing at the Japanese Internment Camp in Cody, WY. He died from an infection. So, Dad was looking for a higher paying job. The best paying jobs were on the Alcan Highway. So, Dad went there and sent his paychecks home to Grandma.
 
I got a degree in Electrical Engineering. That got me in the door of companies who wanted engineers. Would I have gotten in that door without a degree? Absolutely no way.

Then I went to work. Well, not much work. They didn't have much for me to do. At that time (late 70's) companies were just hiring as many engineers as they could so some other company didn't get them first. I had my choice of a bunch of jobs all over the US. I chose Western Electric (part of AT&T along with Bell Labs) in Colorado. Ironically, that was my lowest paid job offer. But I liked the place and the location.

Because I didn't have much to do besides just sit there getting paid, I spent a lot of time in the company library. Randomly, I picked up a book with a white cover and a very large letter "C" on it.

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It started off with:

Code:
#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
    printf("Hello World!\n");
}

"Hmm, that doesn't sound too difficult. I guess I should read more about why someone would want to do something bizarre like that." And I was off to the races! I became a software engineer (and a local instructor in programming) not because I was trained to do that in college, but because I randomly picked up that book in the library out of boredom one day. I also defined my career at that point. "Find something good to do, and do it!" I can't think of a time in my 40+ year career where someone actually gave me a job assignment. I just kind of wandered around the manufacturing factory floor, in computer labs, and other places looking for something that needed inventing or improving. I became one of the few, select, "Yahoos" inside the company. We were known as mostly uncontrollable by management, general purpose "learners and appliers".

At this point, my engineering degree moved to "mostly useless" status. Everything was learn on the job. Lots of times I would go off and learn something new, just because I wanted to, with no planned application for it, and then after learning it I'd find a way to use it for something. This made for a largely stress free and productive work environment throughout my entire career. In my earlier career years, I mostly did work corralling workers and machines on a factory floor. In my later career years, it was more about corralling different computer systems around the globe and making them work together and automatically monitoring them to assure they stayed in line.

So I can say this: "Did I really need my engineering degree for most of what I did in my job?" - NO. "Would I have had a chance to do all that I did without this degree however?" - NO. So in my case - absolutely, no room for disagreement - I needed my college degree. But this was back in the late 70's. I think things have changed now. There are still jobs that require a college degree to get your foot in the door. Without a degree, you're simply "not an acceptable candidate". However, it seems like many degree paths these days are more of a dead end than a key. Pretty worthless to pursue those. Decades ago, some of these degrees were a key, and necessary. But now they are an anchor around your neck (financially) and really gain you nothing in employment.

If someone came up to me now and asked "I don't really know what I want to do in life, should I go to college?" I would respond with "probably not". The things college teaches these days ... I'm not sure that learning "Men can cut of their ****s and become women" is worthwhile knowledge (or experience!) to have when searching for employment. Neither are news videos of you on campus waving around a Hamas flag. College is a different animal now than it was "back in the day".
 
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I got a degree in Electrical Engineering. That got me in the door of companies who wanted engineers. Would I have gotten in that door without a degree? Absolutely no way.

Exactly!! No degree is worthless. Are they overpriced? Some. Will you get a job in the field that you studied? Probably not. But it shows that you have some intelligence. You can learn, and you have the ability to stick with a process, and see it through to completion. Many of the jobs I applied for and had, required a college degree. Had I not had a degree I would never have been considered. Can you be successful without a degree? Of course.

IMHO the emphasis should be placed on career guidance. Explain all of the options, the costs, the job availability, where can you go, what can you do, what are your strengths, what are your weaknesses? Kids really have no clue, and need help. We don't do a thorough enough job of helping them through the process, and explaining all of the options.
 
Exactly!! No degree is worthless. Are they overpriced? Some.
I got my degree from Texas A&M. Graduated in '79. Back then, a semester of tuition (full class load) and room and board was less than $1000 total. Typically $800-$900. That was full price - no loans or assistance. Textbooks added another $200 to $300 IIRC. Books weren't cheap. There was no such thing as eBooks and most of my texts seemed to have a new edition every year so you couldn't buy used. We were not allowed to use calculators in my first two years of technical classes because they were very new and expensive at that time. They figured not everybody in college could afford one and they wanted to be fair to all students. So we were required to use slide rules.

But this was a state school, not Harvard. And it was in Texas. Where there was lots of oil money for the government to keep colleges cheap. But despite being a "state school", A&M was a highly respected engineering school. It was a big veterinary school as well. All around, highly respected in many different disciplines. Despite us being "Aggies" and having to put up with all the jokes, most of which came from A&M itself. Probably where I picked up my tendency towards self-deprecating humor, and humor in general.
 
I got my degree from Texas A&M. Graduated in '79.
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But this was a state school, not Harvard. And it was in Texas. Where there was lots of oil money for the government to keep colleges cheap. But despite being a "state school", A&M was a highly respected engineering school. It was a big veterinary school as well. All around, highly respected in many different disciplines. Despite us being "Aggies" and having to put up with all the jokes, most of which came from A&M itself. Probably where I picked up my tendency towards self-deprecating humor, and humor in general.
I never woulda guessed you were an Aggie. :oops:
Daughter attended A&M for 4 years and got her first degree there, so she is an 'Aggie'.
She has done amazingly well, did law school later, passed the bar, and has 'Attorney' as an additional badge.
After her recent promotion, I bet she makes over $200K per year.:D
 
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