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1800s mid USA the US mountain Men trappers and their families they developed an entire off grid society that lived in total isolation of reach other except for twice a year Rendezvous to meet, trade, barter and socialise. failing that Menonites and Amish communities circa 1930s thought about capt Blighs mutineers and the settlers on places like st Helena , Asecention and Tristan Da Cuhna but just to remote for me.
I suppose if I went back far enough I could find somewhere in Britain that was remote enough for me to be left alone, Doone Valley in North Devon springs to mind, or The Highlands of Scotland, but probably America in the 1800s and the Mountain men like SE says would seem to fit the bill, or maybe somewhere in Australia or Canada.
I’d say just about everyone was a prepper pre industrial revolution, except maybe some of the rich. People had to conserve and organize and prepare for winter, etc. even just chopping wood is a form of prepping, maybe not as hardcore as a lone fur trapper, but prepping nonetheless.
my parents always had a larder of some sort post ww2, before the days of supermarkets(didn't see my first one until 1970) and freezers(first one I had was an old shop ice cream freezer-1981).
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Not all that long ago, for country folk in the south it was called "living.". I'm old enough to remember my grandmother washing clothes in a cast iron cauldron over a fire in the back yard, heating bath water in a galvanized washtub on the stove, making her own butter (her sister had dairy cows), etc.
One uncle had meat cows, another had dairy cows, another grew corn and had catfish ponds. Everyone had vegetable gardens and chickens.
Electricity?
Mainly for lights at night and the ceiling fan. But the primary means of moving air in the sweltering summers was a piece of cardboard attached to a flat wooden handle...with the name of a funeral home printed on one side... Hell, she even made me push an ancient plow in her garden - one meant to be pulled behind a mule - although I could never manage to plow a straight row.
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For me it'd be the early 1800's in the area where I'm living now. This was a time and an area before law, fences, towns, taxes and government busy bodies telling one how to live.
At that time White women were in short supply in the west so many mountain men took squaws as wives, my ancestors included.
There were many hardships back then, but they also had ultimate freedom to do as they choose. A man lived and died based on how keen his senses were and how well he prepared for life in the mountains.
At that time White women were in short supply in the west so many mountain men took squaws as wives, my ancestors included.
There were many hardships back then, but they also had ultimate freedom to do as they choose. A man lived and died based on how keen his senses were and how well he prepared for life in the mountains.
in my country in the 1800s ordinary people were peasants and very poor, so I don't think i'd want to live then, probably go back to an earlier time, maybe even prehistoric-well most people tell me i'm prehistoric anyway!
the less people that are around the better it will be for me.
the less people that are around the better it will be for me.
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Thank God our ancestors had the backbone to throw off the yoke of British oppression. Unfortunately over the last 100 years or so many people in this country want to throw away the freedoms and liberty's that our ancestors fought and died for.in my country in the 1800s ordinary people were peasants and very poor, so I don't think i'd want to live then, probably go back to an earlier time, maybe even prehistoric-well most people tell me i'm prehistoric anyway!
the less people that are around the better it will be for me.
FFS ! Yoke of British oppression that would be asking the 13 colonies to pay towards the costs of deploying the army and navy to the 13 colonies because the French were robbing you blind and trying to take over.
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But the ultimate prepper is an easy one: Noah.
But the ultimate prepper is an easy one: Noah.
I don't know the whole story of Noah other than the basics. Animals aside what other things did he prep? Did other people try to get on his ark and how did he deal with them? Is there any mention of how the animals were kept? Were they in cages or roaming around eating each other?
Karloshi,
You're not making a very good impression with a question like that.
So really, you're wondering what type of preps would be needed to bring at least 2 of every kind of animal alive today on a boat to survive a year in the worst weather imaginable? And you want details?
I tell you what, do a little research on "Ark Encounter". It's a full-size replica built in Kentucky that is now a 'museum' to show one group of methods that could have been used by only 8 people to do this. Keep in mind Noah took about 100 years to build it. Redeem yourself a bit here.
K,
We've had a string of liberal trouble-makers joining repeatedly lately, and I'm not convinced that you are not the same (yet).
I'm good with the original post & the entertainment value of it. Your previous post though was in the vicinity of ridiculous.
Now show you're putting some effort into this discussion. Take a few minutes and you tell me what you think it could have taken relating to prepping for Noah to house & feed & care for the animals for a year with 8 people. Go ahead... no greater understanding of the Bible required to think this through.
We've had a string of liberal trouble-makers joining repeatedly lately, and I'm not convinced that you are not the same (yet).
I'm good with the original post & the entertainment value of it. Your previous post though was in the vicinity of ridiculous.
Now show you're putting some effort into this discussion. Take a few minutes and you tell me what you think it could have taken relating to prepping for Noah to house & feed & care for the animals for a year with 8 people. Go ahead... no greater understanding of the Bible required to think this through.
For me it wouldn't be all that far at all. Somewhere around the late 1930's -early 1950's I like modern living, I like the conveniences but I would like to have been there when all the things and technology we take for granted were just emerging. I would love to learn more about crisis living, by that I mean make do and mend, making use of every scrap of what you have and throwing little away. It would be interesting to see just how different people were compared to today and whether the blitz spirit of comerarderie really existed or whether it was through necessity that communities came together.
I'm far from a liberal. My post was not however in the vicinity of ridiculous just because I question something. Is is odd to question the logistics of such a project? My personal beliefs are irrelevant. I was just curious what people think about what he needed to do to prepare for such an endeavour.
Since you would like me to take a few minutes, here is some of the things I think it would take to prepare for the ark and voyage.
I would imagine it would require a whole army of people to build and manage.
Finance - Where did Noah get the funds? Did he save beforehand or borrow? If he borrowed those financiers would probably want a place on the ark.
Craftsmen - This is pre power tools. Did Noah and his family possess all the skills needed or did he subcontract?
Suppliers - Suppliers are known to not deliver on schedule and may prevent the project from getting completed on time.
Animals - With regards to the animals, I doubt they just turned up when the time was right. It would have been a mission and a half to get them on the ark let alone gather enough food to feed them.
This is in no way meant to offend anyone I was honestly just curious. In my original post I was curious about how Noah would have dealt with an angry mob turning up wanting a place on his ark, because when SHTF that is what I think would happen. I also wondered about the animal care. Yes I can read a load of stuff from internet sources but I thought it would be good to ask people on here to find out.
trouble is what you are talking about is pure fiction , it never happened.
K, I appreciate you taking the time to respond with thought & effort, and I will respond in kind. I’m a literal-word of the Bible believer, in case you haven’t guessed. The whole 6000 year old world, 6 literal days of creation, Jesus is God believer.
OK, on to the arc. Noah had about 100 years to build the arc, that’s a big chunk of time. As far as I understand it, it was his family who did all the work. 4 guys & 4 wives. While he didn’t have power tools, he did have more advanced metals & metalworking tools & leverages & such. BTW, if you don’t believe the power of leverage, google the ‘coral castle’ down in Florida, one man alone did the whole thing without power equipment for lifting. And in only a few years. If one guy can do that, a team can do the arc/
For funding and suppliers, he didn’t need it. He started in a forest & the wood was all right there. I’m sure pine sap/tar was locally available for the taking.
For skills, if God told him ‘how’ to build it, then why wouldn’t God gave him the details to complete the task? Somewhere it says one of Noah’s sons was skilled in metal work.
Same for the animals. I assume God brought them to Noah. I believe many were young… no reason to take on full size elephants when some smaller one or two year olds will do just fine.
I can see where some would be skeptical of feeding the animals. The arc encounter had great examples of primitive feeders that would feed many kinds of animals where human intervention would only be needed weekly/monthly. Same for waterers. I don’t recall how many tons of oil/grain would have been needed. I do recall that there were only a few thousand ‘kinds’ of animals. For example, no need to have a wolf, coyote, st Bernard, german shephard, beagle, etc. One pair of dogs covered it all.
For the angry mob, there is no evidence that it happened or it didn’t. I suspect the flood came so fast that nobody had time to go anywhere. The best theory I’ve heard is the hydroplate theory, see http://www.creationscience.com/ and watch the first video. 11 minutes explains enough to grasp it.
OK, on to the arc. Noah had about 100 years to build the arc, that’s a big chunk of time. As far as I understand it, it was his family who did all the work. 4 guys & 4 wives. While he didn’t have power tools, he did have more advanced metals & metalworking tools & leverages & such. BTW, if you don’t believe the power of leverage, google the ‘coral castle’ down in Florida, one man alone did the whole thing without power equipment for lifting. And in only a few years. If one guy can do that, a team can do the arc/
For funding and suppliers, he didn’t need it. He started in a forest & the wood was all right there. I’m sure pine sap/tar was locally available for the taking.
For skills, if God told him ‘how’ to build it, then why wouldn’t God gave him the details to complete the task? Somewhere it says one of Noah’s sons was skilled in metal work.
Same for the animals. I assume God brought them to Noah. I believe many were young… no reason to take on full size elephants when some smaller one or two year olds will do just fine.
I can see where some would be skeptical of feeding the animals. The arc encounter had great examples of primitive feeders that would feed many kinds of animals where human intervention would only be needed weekly/monthly. Same for waterers. I don’t recall how many tons of oil/grain would have been needed. I do recall that there were only a few thousand ‘kinds’ of animals. For example, no need to have a wolf, coyote, st Bernard, german shephard, beagle, etc. One pair of dogs covered it all.
For the angry mob, there is no evidence that it happened or it didn’t. I suspect the flood came so fast that nobody had time to go anywhere. The best theory I’ve heard is the hydroplate theory, see http://www.creationscience.com/ and watch the first video. 11 minutes explains enough to grasp it.
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Noah took seven pairs of each kind of food animal.Better question, what did the carnivores eat? Whoops....
He also had milk and eggs from the animals
About 1880s Cascades here in Washington
If we are picking times to visit because it would be interesting, personally I would pick ancient Greece, or Rome or Egypt. See what was what.
If I'm picking a time that would be beneficial to prepping, anytime where civilization and society existed under laws, but before the world became small through easier travel, and communications. Maybe... 1500 -1900. Anywhere in that time frame. Your life would be all about prepping. And, if you could find someplace without excessive taxation by the crown (pick your country) or the state, and a place off the beaten path, I think you could have a great life.
1880's Cascades in Washington sounds awesome.
If I'm picking a time that would be beneficial to prepping, anytime where civilization and society existed under laws, but before the world became small through easier travel, and communications. Maybe... 1500 -1900. Anywhere in that time frame. Your life would be all about prepping. And, if you could find someplace without excessive taxation by the crown (pick your country) or the state, and a place off the beaten path, I think you could have a great life.
1880's Cascades in Washington sounds awesome.
any time in England post 1066 would be a no no as the state was all about taxation, that's what the Doomsday Book was all about, seeing what you had and taxing you on it.
so probably for me sometime before that.
so probably for me sometime before that.
