Today's legal pot up to 33 times as potent as the stuff we had as teenagers!!

[VenomJockey]

https://mic.com/articles/168922/is-...-to-be-heres-what-the-science-says#.TCoYWdGBo

Excerpt: "The 2016 contenders were even stronger, with Los Angeles dispensary Greenwolf's Cookie Dough weighing in at 31.1% THC, and Denver's Next Harvest producing a strain of Chem Dog that tested at 32.13% THC, setting an all-time record."

 

[tmttactical]

I guess the good old days are not quite as potent as the NEW Good old days. I wonder if the increase in potency has a direct correlation in the decrease in common sense?

 

[Kevin L]

I think pot should be legalized and...as a medic...much of the idea that pot is stronger now than it was years ago is taken out of context from half-truths to satisfy a political agenda.

My biggest concerns (medically) about pot I never see in the controversy.

I believe that there are times and occasions when pot has killed people.

Pot is great for controlling nausea, which is why cancer patients use it.

This is bad, however, when college students binge drink at a frathouse party and smoke reefer at the same time, since they'll die from alcohol poisoning because they don't vomit from overdrinking.

I must stress that this is an opinion and a belief that I have from my paramedic experience...not a proven fact.

If the user can refrain from mixing weed with alcohol (and/or other drugs), then I don't have a problem with weed.

 

[jontte]

from my experince I have here in the medical field,the combination of alcohol and various chemicals are the main problem of any shyt happening,not weed.
this is again my observation only...just as the above is Kevins

 

[Kevin L]

from my experince I have here in the medical field,the combination of alcohol and various chemicals are the main problem of any shyt happening,not weed.
this is again my observation only...just as the above is Kevins

I agree, to a point.

My only issue is that weed stops nausea, and there are times when nausea is a good thing if vomiting protects you from alcohol poisoning.

 

[VenomJockey]

from my experince I have here in the medical field,the combination of alcohol and various chemicals are the main problem of any shyt happening,not weed.
this is again my observation only...just as the above is Kevins

I would have to agree with this...we saw it in the Army all the time, and it wasn't the weed that caused all the problems. Alcohol and heroin mostly.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Not all of us used this **** as teenagers in the "old" days. Some of us actually worked and had more important things to do than smoke dope an act like f$##ing idiots.

 

[tmttactical]

Not all of us used this **** as teenagers in the "old" days. Some of us actually worked and had more important things to do than smoke dope an act like f$##ing idiots.

Most the user in the "OLD" days, I knew, had jobs and worked, because even in the "OLD" days it was not cheap or free.

 

[Brent S]

I saw a sheriff on tv talking about weed. He admitted that at least he didn’t see people dying from smoking it like he did the opiates. I don’t see the difference from a shot of whiskey at the end of the day vs a hit of grass. I don’t personally smoke it anymore but did more than my share as a teen. I did work a job as well. The paranoia about it is just not based on real facts. The fact that it is still scheduled a class 1 narcotic is ridiculous and keeps it from being studied by real doctors for legitimate medical uses. I figure to each their own and there is a safe time and place for everything.

 

[jontte]

opiates are far more dangerous and when they mix something with something the end result is.......something,that prolly can kill you in a snap

 

[Gazrok]

Pot is great for controlling nausea, which is why cancer patients use it.

Not just cancer. Chronic pain meds can cause nausea too. My wife needs a little before eating, in order to not be nauseous, due to her meds.

 

[Kevin L]

opiates are far more dangerous and when they mix something with something the end result is.......something,that prolly can kill you in a snap

I completely agree.

In the U.S., speedball (a mixture of heroin and cocaine injected IV) has killed any number of people, including several celebrities like John Belushi and Janis Joplin.

I can't imagine how horribly lethal a speedball would be today when the dealers are cutting smack with Fentanyl.

 

[Gazrok]

Oddly enough, it's the opiates that cause her nausea in the first place.

 

[Kevin L]

While we're on the subject of mixing drugs...you want to hear something really f----ked up?

Heroin is cut with Fentanyl to make it stronger, so this causes people to OD more often.

So, when an addict hears that someone died from an OD, they will go out of their way to track that specific dealer down to buy his product because it's obviously good stuff.

This reasoning is so sick that it's beyond my comprehension.

 

[Kevin L]

Oddly enough, it's the opiates that cause her nausea in the first place.

I'm sorry that she's in this situation.

I am glad, at least, that reefer works for her and has restored some of her quality of life.

 

[jontte]

While we're on the subject of mixing drugs...you want to hear something really f----ked up?

Heroin is cut with Fentanyl to make it stronger, so this causes people to OD more often.

So, when an addict hears that someone died from an OD, they will go out of their way to track that specific dealer down to buy his product because it's obviously good stuff.

This reasoning is so sick that it's beyond my comprehension.

strange reasoning indeed..clearly enough chemicals will fry your brain to pulp and hinder thoughts of reason..

 

[brandx]

I think pot should be legalized and...as a medic...much of the idea that pot is stronger now than it was years ago is taken out of context from half-truths to satisfy a political agenda.

My biggest concerns (medically) about pot I never see in the controversy.

I believe that there are times and occasions when pot has killed people.

Pot is great for controlling nausea, which is why cancer patients use it.

This is bad, however, when college students binge drink at a frathouse party and smoke reefer at the same time, since they'll die from alcohol poisoning because they don't vomit from overdrinking.

I must stress that this is an opinion and a belief that I have from my paramedic experience...not a proven fact.

If the user can refrain from mixing weed with alcohol (and/or other drugs), then I don't have a problem with weed.

It will also make it easier to eat, so those patients who are on chemo can hopefully retain weight if need be. I propose it would be good for anxiety as well. You know to help chill.

 

[brandx]

Oddly enough, it's the opiates that cause her nausea in the first place.

Some people just can't take opiates, no pain but sick all the time. I got over medicated on opiates after an extensive tonsillectomy in my later adult years. I couldn't even sit up but was in so much pain. I was so sick, lost 10 pounds in one week, from opiates making me nauseated plus I couldn't eat besides that. Started feeling better when relatives realized what was going on and stopped some of the meds. I was too sick to think clearly or make any competent decisions that stuff is toxic.

 

[brandx]

While we're on the subject of mixing drugs...you want to hear something really f----ked up?

Heroin is cut with Fentanyl to make it stronger, so this causes people to OD more often.

So, when an addict hears that someone died from an OD, they will go out of their way to track that specific dealer down to buy his product because it's obviously good stuff.

This reasoning is so sick that it's beyond my comprehension.

They got themselves in a real pickle.
gotta have it but it will kill ya.

 

[brandx]

from my experince I have here in the medical field,the combination of alcohol and various chemicals are the main problem of any shyt happening,not weed.
this is again my observation only...just as the above is Kevins

I agree being with a medical background, alcohol is at the top of the list. People get stupid on it.

 

[brandx]

I saw a sheriff on tv talking about weed. He admitted that at least he didn’t see people dying from smoking it like he did the opiates. I don’t see the difference from a shot of whiskey at the end of the day vs a hit of grass. I don’t personally smoke it anymore but did more than my share as a teen. I did work a job as well. The paranoia about it is just not based on real facts. The fact that it is still scheduled a class 1 narcotic is ridiculous and keeps it from being studied by real doctors for legitimate medical uses. I figure to each their own and there is a safe time and place for everything.

Reefer Madness.

 

[brandx]

Most the user in the "OLD" days, I knew, had jobs and worked, because even in the "OLD" days it was not cheap or free.

From personal experience, I recall that most of any kind of trouble, loudness, fights over girls, breaking things,etc was alcohol related. The pot heads watched TV, listened to music and talked. Just info from my own personal observations. I also noted that while drinking alcohol they would drive faster and were more careless and had less inhibitions, while the stoners drove really slow and cautiously, everything seemed to slow down. I don't know, just saying this was my observation.

 

[Gazrok]

I am glad, at least, that reefer works for her and has restored some of her quality of life.

It really has. She's still waiting on her card. She never updated her address on her license (as she doesn't drive anymore), so ran into a problem there. Working on resolving that one. Until then though, there's the more questionable method....

 

[Mountain trapper]

I really don't care if this garbage is legal or illegal. I also don't care if some idiot loser od's and dies after smoking, snorting, injecting or whatever it is they do to get this crap in their system. Good riddance. I just don't want to see any tax payers money spent trying to fix stupid.

 

[brandx]

I really don't care if this garbage is legal or illegal. I also don't care if some idiot loser od's and dies after smoking, snorting, injecting or whatever it is they do to get this crap in their system. Good riddance. I just don't want to see any tax payers money spent trying to fix stupid.

You know that I have heard that if they try it once they are hooked. I hardly believe it. I think it takes more than ONE mistake to be a junky, I think it takes a few of the same bad decisions in a row to be a junky. So, there are opportunities to make a different decision. If some body decides to keep doing dope and then you get hooked, I don't have much sympathy. I hate the waste of resources that go to people that just go back to the dog that bit them AND I hate what they do to try to get more dope.

 

[tmttactical]

I really don't care if this garbage is legal or illegal. I also don't care if some idiot loser od's and dies after smoking, snorting, injecting or whatever it is they do to get this crap in their system. Good riddance. I just don't want to see any tax payers money spent trying to fix stupid.

I am a firm believer in the law of nature. You can't fix stupid. I do not know of a single drug that addictive on the first several tries. So an addict had to work at becoming an addict. Their choice, their problem to fix. NO TAX money. If folks want to donate their money, donate to rehab centers.

 

[Kevin L]

You know that I have heard that if they try it once they are hooked. I hardly believe it. I think it takes more than ONE mistake to be a junky, I think it takes a few of the same bad decisions in a row to be a junky. So, there are opportunities to make a different decision. If some body decides to keep doing dope and then you get hooked, I don't have much sympathy. I hate the waste of resources that go to people that just go back to the dog that bit them AND I hate what they do to try to get more dope.

I think you're correct most of the time, but I believe (and I have very liberal values for this forum, and I believe in drug treatment over incarceration) that people can become physically dependant after one episode of narcotic use.

To prove my point, consider the recovered alcoholic. If an alcoholic is sober for 20 years and has one drink, it's only a short amount of time (sometimes a few days) until he is just as bad off with booze as he was when he quit drinking 20 years before.

There are some people who are instant alcoholics on their very first drink, and I think that this is sometimes because mom drank while pregnant, the fetus became an alcoholic, and the alcoholism is activated when this person takes a first drink at their 21st birthday party.

I believe (I stress that this is a belief, not what I know) that it might be the same if mom uses mild opiates even a few times when she's pregnant...and even if we don't have a sickly heroin baby, I believe that the addiction gets triggered when such a person uses...even if it's only one time.

I'm not saying that this always happens, but I believe it does happen once in a while.

 

[tmttactical]

@Kevin L I will agree that some people do have a propensity for addictions. But that does not excuse them or mean I should pay for their detox. An alcoholic knows if they take that drink it will probably lead to more drinking. The alcoholic did not become addicted to the booze, they became addicted to the emotional feeling the booze gave them. After enough time (same with drugs) they became addicted to the chemicals too. Accountability of personal choice. Why should any tax payer be required to pay for somebody else's bad choice. I also feel the same way about incarceration costs. Prisoners should be working to pay for their jail time. Shorter sentences but much harder prison time --- sort of like the OLD YUMA territorial prison. Not many prisoners returned for a second stay. Now that was hard time.

 

[Kevin L]

@Kevin L I will agree that some people do have a propensity for addictions. But that does not excuse them or mean I should pay for their detox. An alcoholic knows if they take that drink it will probably lead to more drinking. The alcoholic did not become addicted to the booze, they became addicted to the emotional feeling the booze gave them. After enough time (same with drugs) they became addicted to the chemicals too. Accountability of personal choice. Why should any tax payer be required to pay for somebody else's bad choice. I also feel the same way about incarceration costs. Prisoners should be working to pay for their jail time. Shorter sentences but much harder prison time --- sort of like the OLD YUMA territorial prison. Not many prisoners returned for a second stay. Now that was hard time.

I don't 100% disagree with you. I believe people should be accountable for their actions.

I'm a generous person and I believe that any society should help its poor, but even I (as liberal as I am for this forum) don't believe that welfare should become a lifestyle, and we shouldn't have 3 (in some instances, even 4) generation families on welfare.

There is a difference between helping people and enabling them. I would like to believe that I'm more than willing to help anyone, but I hate the idea of enabling people...in fact, enabling an alcoholic or drug addict makes the disease progress.

I think that certian kinds of treatment options are, actually, cheaper than prison. If it's done right (another issue is if the government can do anything right, but I digress), it could be more cost effective than simply imprisoning everyone.

Drug addiction is rarely a clear-cut, black-and-white issue.

My progressive, liberal ideas about drug addiction and alcoholism may seem offensive to some peoples' sense of justice, but--as a paramedic--I tend to think in practical terms and I freely admit a bias toward going with what works over adhering to a rigid sense of absolute right and wrong.

People might suggest that I have a moral flexibility, and might wonder if this does, somehow, make me a hypocrite.

If I am, then it's the moral flexibility of an Orthodox Jew who--finding himself stranded on a remote island--eats a wild pig to survive.

 

[tmttactical]

@Kevin L I do like your humanitarian ideals. I think where the debate comes in is, who pays. The government is not here to support or help the poor. It is here to protect the nation and enforce it laws. Somewhere along the line, people began to figured the government should take the place of charities and force people to help others. I have no problem supporting a just cause I believe in but I don't want the government deciding whom and what I should support. If the community believe a family needs help, well they are free to provide all the support to them and in any way they feel it is needed. I don't want the government picking my pocket to select who is worthy and for how long. Some folks are self motivated and others need a little external (hunger) motivation.

Kevin L, Yes you maybe a bit more Liberal than many here but opposing view point a are a good thing. It helps keep us Conservative radicals on our toes.