Trust em?

[Frodo]

Yesterday I heard that Biden has signed a bill that will open gun ranges on BLM and national forest land all across the USA
Sounds like a really good thing for gun owners huh?
I think it is a back door attempt at gun registration but I wear a tin foil hat. So what do I know ?

 

[Pearl]

Sounds fishy to me!! Something is up!!

 

[Frodo]

 

[Mountain trapper]

Yesterday I heard that Biden has signed a bill that will open gun ranges on BLM and national forest land all across the USA
Sounds like a really good thing for gun owners huh?
I think it is a back door attempt at gun registration but I wear a tin foil hat. So what do I know ?

As far as I know we've always been able to shoot in the NF and on BLM lands. And they aren't gun ranges. You just pull off the road anywhere you want and shoot. I think what he's referring to is to open a huge area in Utah that was designated a national park or something. There might be other areas like that too.

 

[UserNameTaken]

Our gun club is on BLM land. We have a $1/yr lease, and built it mostly with NRA and Game/Fish grants. After 15 years it's getting pretty nice. We have 4 skeet fields, 5 stand, archery, 2 ranges, a police range and a training/event range.

 

[Frodo]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6492/text

 

[Caribou]

I’ll need to read the legislation and think it over. I don’t trust jello brains. Will the government set up regulations as to the shooting and access? Will that limit shooting to the designated ranges, thereby eliminate all the random ranges that people have used for generations? Will you have to show I.D. putting yourself on a gun owner list?

 

[Supervisor42]

Sounds fishy to me!! Something is up!!

I agree.
It stinks to high heaven!
I haven't read the entire bill, but I'd bet it is to take all of those places off the list of places you could go and shoot, without them requiring your I.D. to 'check in' and add to their list of "Verified evil gun owners".

 

[Quark]

I shoot on a public range on Forest Service land that has been around since 1962. We have a good range and I've posted pictures from time to time.

I pay $50 a year to our association which goes into building and maintaining the range. Last year we paved the roads and built a five hundred yard range to addition to the 100, 200, 300, 400, plus a pistol range and a sight n range. I don't have any problems with the Feds. Now we do have a lot of Feds shooting at the range because live in the capitol of the state. We do pay a pretty penny to the Forest Service for the range but it's not exorbitant.

Our liability insurance is high but it would cost $5,000,000+ to rebuild the range due to forest fire and of course if an idiot shoots himself.

So this could be a good thing.

 

[Pearl]

I shoot on a public range on Forest Service land that has been around since 1962. We have a good range and I've posted pictures from time to time.

I pay $50 a year to our association which goes into building and maintaining the range. Last year we paved the roads and built a five hundred yard range to addition to the 100, 200, 300, 400, plus a pistol range and a sight n range. I don't have any problems with the Feds. Now we do have a lot of Feds shooting at the range because live in the capitol of the state. We do pay a pretty penny to the Forest Service for the range but it's not exorbitant.

Our liability insurance is high but it would cost $5,000,000+ to rebuild the range due to forest fire and of course if an idiot shoots himself.

So this could be a good thing.

Even if the 'take your guns democrats' are all for it?

 

[jazzy]

probably just making it legal for all the illegal camps setting up. i know fbbi admitted some years back there is an illegal islamic terrorist training cmap in wods here in CO but also said dont wporry were keeping an eye on them.

 

[Pearl]

probably just making it legal for all the illegal camps setting up. i know fbbi admitted some years back there is an illegal islamic terrorist training cmap in wods here in CO but also said dont wporry were keeping an eye on them.

I bet you are right

 

[Mountain trapper]

I've never even seen a gun range on FS or BLM lands. Plus I've never used a gun range before even on private land. No need to when I've always lived around NF, I just shoot whenever and wherever I want to. It might make a difference between living in a sparsly populated area and a densely populated area.
I think there's a lot people who get irritated at the amount of shooting that some people do. I've seen times when 10 vehicles of flatlanders come up and shoot off thousands of rounds of ammo, and never bother to pick up their garbage. That pisses me off, but not enough to support an anti shooting bill. I just wish that shooters were more responsible, most are but the slobs tend to ruin things for everyone.

 

[Quark]

I think one of the reasons for this legislation is fires. More and more guns are being sold like it or not. Around here people shooting on Federal land in the summer time can lead to wild fires. So to reduce fires get people to shoot on designed shooting ranges. On our range we are set up to reduce wild fires and have fire fighting equipment on site. On unregulated lands there is no fire fighting equipment and most people don't carry any in their rigs.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I think one of the reasons for this legislation is fires. More and more guns are being sold like it or not. Around here people shooting on Federal land in the summer time can lead to wild fires. So to reduce fires get people to shoot on designed shooting ranges. On our range we are set up to reduce wild fires and have fire fighting equipment on site. On unregulated lands there is no fire fighting equipment and most people don't carry any in their rigs.

Maybe so. But I've never seen or heard of a fire being started by someone shooting. And I live in an area with very dry summers.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Bottom line is there are just too many people competing for too little land.

 

[Quark]

Maybe so. But I've never seen or heard of a fire being started by someone shooting. And I live in an area with very dry summers.

Ya fires have been started by shooters using tracers, Tannerite, etc. Sometimes even by a ricochet. Some shooters even start a camp fire where they should not.

 

[Quark]

Even if the 'take your guns democrats' are all for it?

I don't know what to say. Our range and most public ranges on Federal land have been in operation in Montana for a long time.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Ya fires have been started by shooters using tracers, Tannerite, etc. Sometimes even by a ricochet. Some shooters even start a camp fire where they should not.

Those bast@rds deserve to spend a lot of time in jail. Around here some fires are started by "hunters". Whoever thought starting hunting seasons in August was a good idea? Most of our fires are started by dry lighting. The fire that burned one of our properties a few years ago was started 15 miles away by an overheated trailer bearing. It burned over 300,000 acres.

 

[Tim Horton]

Trust them ?? .... NOT a chance in H&LL....

I don't know if you could pick this apart well enough to ferret out the reason in the back ground for them to be seemingly voluntarily doing this.. Too long a history of deception to believe this isn't just another avenue to the next stab in the back..

Without a minute of research into this I can't help but respond with this immediate level of knee jerk reaction.. Then see what comes later.. KnowwhatImean...

 

[montanabill]

We're from the government and we're here to help..;;;;;;

Lead contamination leading to restriction or outright closure of gun ranges....to be discovered after the gov signs up everyone and all ranges......

Self reliant people should have a plan to hang onto some guns....dying in a pile of brass is not the solution..

 

[UserNameTaken]

This just occurred to me, I haven't read the bill yet. But... what if this is a govt end run for gun control?
If you deny the public places to shoot you deny them the ability to practice or train.

 

[Quark]

We do lead mediation every year. We have to meet a certain level and so far we have. If we go over the limit then we have to hire people who deal with stuff like that to reduce the lead level. Than it's back to business again. These ranges will be funded by Pittman-Robinson Act a tax in guns, ammo, archery. I would imagine this will make it easier for non-profit shooting organizations like mine who will find it easier to get ranges set up.

My organization is a non-profit corporation.

 

[Quark]

This just occurred to me, I haven't read the bill yet. But... what if this is a govt end run for gun control?
If you deny the public places to shoot you deny them the ability to practice or train.

Oh I suppose that it possible but my range has survived both pro-gun and anti-gun administrations. I don't see that happening.

 

[Supervisor42]

This just occurred to me, I haven't read the bill yet. But... what if this is a govt end run for gun control?
If you deny the public places to shoot you deny them the ability to practice or train.

Exactly!
If they 'open' them, they control them, and can shut them down.

 

[Quark]

Exactly!
If they 'open' them, they control them, and can shut them down.

I don't think the Feds are going to own or operate the ranges. All the legislation will do is allow the Federal land managers to lease land to gun ranges. The ranges will be leased by private non-profit corporations and run by them.

 

[UserNameTaken]

OK - I just scanned the bill. I agree, this is an end run toward stopping all target shooting on public lands outside of a range. Here it is:

"(2) CLOSURES.—Except in emergency situations, the Secretary concerned shall seek to ensure that a target shooting range that meets the requirements described in subsection (b)(3)(B), or an equivalent shooting range adjacent to a National Forest or Bureau of Land Management district, is available to the public prior to closing Federal recreational lands and waters administered by the Chief of the Forest Service or the Director of the Bureau of Land Management to recreational shooting, in accordance with section 4103 of the John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management, and Recreation Act (16 U.S.C. 7913)."

In our area there has been a big push to stop desert shooting. They use fire regs to deny access in dry periods. Usually from late May to mid July when thunderstorms take over. This year it went into Oct, 6 months in some areas. I've seen a systematic reduction since the 90's when you could shoot nearly anywhere.

 

[Quark]

Yup our range has been closed for a short time for fire control only once since 1962. We now have fire equipment on site for quick fire fighting and we have a couple of volunteer fire departments close by for fire fighting. I'm sure that is what this legislation is all about with all the gun sales.

 

[UserNameTaken]

Our local lands have been and are seriously abused by thousands of asshats. Irresponsible shooters leaving piles of shot up junk. Desert dumpers - we have a whole county dept fighting it. And a new phenonema, "desert bars."

The off road side by side crowd finds a cool spot and builds a plywood "bar." They mount flag poles, picnic tables, fire rings, and then trample the whole area with hundreds of Can Ams and a lot of heavy drinking. Then we get crashes because drivers are sloshed. And most SxS'ers and (obviously) shooters are packing heat, so you don't dare say anything about pick up your brass or stay the trail.

It is the wonton destruction of our public lands, and the tree huggers have had enough and apparently are taking action. I'm a responsible shooter and off roader, and it really annoys me that MY RIGHTS are infringed as a result.

 

[Supervisor42]

I don't think the Feds are going to own or operate the ranges. All the legislation will do is allow the Federal land managers to lease land to gun ranges. The ranges will be leased by private non-profit corporations and run by them.

If they lease them, they control them.
Mountain Trapper said it best:

As far as I know we've always been able to shoot in the NF and on BLM lands. And they aren't gun ranges. You just pull off the road anywhere you want and shoot. I think what he's referring to is to open a huge area in Utah that was designated a national park or something. There might be other areas like that too.

Look under the hood and figure out why they would be doing something to 'allow' us to do something we always could do.