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Yeah, from a security standpoint, any luxury makes you a target. Using either would require some common sense and window shades. I also think burning a fire in the daytime could be risky. People will follow smoke trails too.
yes, that's the third thing that should be considered from a security angle.
I have lived without electricity for long periods, so has my wife-she was brought up in an off grid cottage.
 
yes, that's the third thing that should be considered from a security angle.
I have lived without electricity for long periods, so has my wife-she was brought up in an off grid cottage.
It is doable, just not as easy as flipping a switch to heat that pot of water or food. Reminds me, I need a good crosscut saw.
 
ah yes, you take me back to my bedsit(rented room in a shared house) days, when we didn't have much money, we put a blanket or a quilt over the windows instead of curtains/drapes.
 
ah yes, you take me back to my bedsit(rented room in a shared house) days, when we didn't have much money, we put a blanket or a quilt over the windows instead of curtains/drapes.
It's sad to think of how pretentious people can get. Nothing but the best furnishings, etc. there's going to be a lot of changes in people's lives one day. You can get by with very little in the world and still be content.
 
you don't always need the new designer stuff,had a friend once,decades ago,who mowed to their first place with his girl,could they buy second hand ?? nope,all had to be brand new,expencive and what they got from it all;debts,but everyone does it their way and not many 20+ is sensible enough to listen to advice.
I sure wasn't when it came to work and future retirement age,in that aspect I was "thick as a brick".
 
you don't always need the new designer stuff,had a friend once,decades ago,who mowed to their first place with his girl,could they buy second hand ?? nope,all had to be brand new,expencive and what they got from it all;debts,but everyone does it their way and not many 20+ is sensible enough to listen to advice.
I sure wasn't when it came to work and future retirement age,in that aspect I was "thick as a brick".
Not too long ago a couple acquaintances of mine built their first house. It was about three thousand square feet and everything in it was upgraded. I don't think they were in it for a full year before they ended up loosing it. Really sad. I had tried to talk with them some about starting smaller and simpler, but they would hear a word of it. "This was their home and it had to be perfect". Another guy I worked with got a 13000. tax return. He was a young father of three, earning about 11 dollars an hour and his wife was a stay at home mom. I showed him an ad in a real estate magazine that had a manufactured home on an acre of land with a fence, well and septic system. I told him he could be living rent free and fix up the place as he goes. His words were, "I wouldn't live in a piece of crap like that". Long story short, he bought a four wheeler, went on a vacation, and was broke in three months. Last I knew he was renting an old ratty trailer. It's sad that young people don't listen to the wisdom of older people. Most have to learn the hard way in life. I recently told my son my take on life and finances. I think having a place to lay your head at night is number one. I'm not talking the tajh Mahail here, start small, you can always upgrade later. Second is transportation. You need a reliable way to get around. Again, start small, you don't need a flashy new set of wheels. Just something that dosent break down daily. Lastly you need an emergency fund. Life will always throw unexpected things at you, have some reserves to help with them. The order isn't important on these, and for most people should be reversed. The point though, if you focus on these first, not the 4 wheeler or other toys, then your life is so much less stressful and you will have years of being able to accumulate the toys you want.
 
it seems that most people these days live on and in debt, they want everything new and they want it NOW, so what happens, it goes on the plastic.
my old dad told me when I got married(the first time!!) " if you want something, save up for it, don't get into debt", wise words which no one heeds any more.
 
it seems that most people these days live on and in debt, they want everything new and they want it NOW, so what happens, it goes on the plastic.
my old dad told me when I got married(the first time!!) " if you want something, save up for it, don't get into debt", wise words which no one heeds any more.
Debt is slavery to me. I don't like the stress of knowing I owe someone. We are doing amazingly well with our new business as far as staying out of debt. We had three pieces of equipment with debt on them, a bucket lift, a scissor lift and a new dodge truck. In less than a year we managed to pay off the bucket and scissor lift. We will start throwing all we can at the truck next. I have two exceptions on debt. First, very few people can buy a house without it, so your kind of stuck there. I still say only do a 15yr note though. (I'm a Dave Ramsey fan). Second is if you borrow to make money, like a business. I don't think it would be wise to borrow to invest in the stock market, but tangible items like equipment. At least if you need to you can always sell the item and pay back most of the money if pressed. As Mr. Ramsey says, if you can't pay cash for something, you can't afford it, period.
 
some will drink coca cola as long as that's around ;) then they will die of thirst...
 
Yup we're all f***ed now! its not even about learning to wash clothes by hand, what are people going to do when theres no clean water coming out of faucets?!
No running water will hurt the masses even more than a loss of electricity. Either way, people living in cities are screwed in any long term shtf.
 
3-5 days without access to clean drinking water will be the end for most.
 
what's that old rule of 3; you manage 3 min without oxygen,3 days without water,3 weeks without food and it's game over.
 
most people who rely on supermarkets for their daily survival will not know that and will never know that.
they also do not realise that supermarkets have a "just in time" delivery system, usually a 3 day of normal sales is all that is stocked, one little hiccup in the supply system and its "good night Vienna".
 
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