Wasn't sure which thread this would be best in.

[Badger3-1]

http://inresco.org/bosniaf/words_bosnia.html

Very interesting article I came across about a man surviving for a year during the bosnian war.

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[jontte]

I've read that tale too,it sure doesn't paint a pretty pic of things gone to hell, but it proves the importance of prepping and if possible
the nessecity of having a place to relocate quickly,so you don't get stranded in a pile of doo-doo.

 

[jimLE]

i've read it before,as well.i agree with jontte.it dont paint a pretty pic.and at the same time.it proves how bad things can,and most and likely will get,in a worse case situation,of any kind..

 

[Silent Earth]

It just reminded me overall of just how utterly pointless NATO, UN, EU etc actually are that they could not stop a genocide smack bang in the middle of 20th century Europe, Just another Columbia, Ulster, Vietnam, Somalia etc where it does not matter how big and powerful your military is or how many rulings the international courts make you cannot win asymetric insurgencies when one side is determined to keep hating.

 

[Brent S]

It just reminded me overall of just how utterly pointless NATO, UN, EU etc actually are that they could not stop a genocide smack bang in the middle of 20th century Europe, Just another Columbia, Ulster, Vietnam, Somalia etc where it does not matter how big and powerful your military is or how many rulings the international courts make you cannot win asymetric insurgencies when one side is determined to keep hating.

The power of hatred is scary. When some charismatic ******** uses it to convince others to kill for his ambitions, it's hard to fight against. Anyone willing to blow themselves up or fly a plane into a building for someone else's cause is unimaginable to me.

 

[Brent S]

Back on the the topic here. I too have seen a few versions of this story. Don't know if it was true or not, but it is a good thing to learn from. With all the political changes going on in this country, and the world, I can't help but see the instability of our security. I just saw where a woman was detained at the atl. airport. She was a us citizen, a professor at Clemson university for years. But since she was Iranian at birth they weren't going to allow her to come home to her house and job. Who would have thought this was possible in this country last week? All I can say is things change in life, garunteed. Not all the changes are good so let's all keep our eyes open and always be prepared to protect our friends and families.

 

[Silent Earth]

A British MP ( like your Representatives) and a British sportsman with s knighthood have been told they cannot travel to the US.

 

[jontte]

things change at such a rapid speed now that it's a heck to try to keep up with it...and suddenly someone makes a bad choice and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Maverick]

A British MP ( like your Representatives) and a British sportsman with s knighthood have been told they cannot travel to the US.

The media and the left is really spinning this whole thing out of proportion, Clinton banned certain groups when he was President as did obummer for 6 months with full support from the dems but no one protested then, this strictly has to do with the hatred of Trump nothing more!

 

[WGregMiller]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...from-us-under-trumps-muslim-ban-a7551511.html

 

[Brent S]

The media and the left is really spinning this whole thing out of proportion, Clinton banned certain groups when he was President as did obummer for 6 months with full support from the dems but no one protested then, this strictly has to do with the hatred of Trump nothing more!

Trump sure does know how to stir the pot. I honestly think he enjoys the chaos he is creating. I wonder if he creates media frenzie to distract from other things he is doing? Who did Obama and Clinton ban?

 

[Maverick]

Who did Obama and Clinton ban?

Obama ban Iraqi's for 6 months No one said a damn thing when Obama turned the Iraqis away including Iraqi operators who worked with our special forces in the region
Clinton ban Haitian, Sierra Leone, also.. gone after illegals in 1996 and deported them, Clinton has one of the highest deportation rates

Think Trump is stirring the pot, I think Clinton started it why did Clinton get a pass with full democratic support as shown below, the full video to the 1995 speech is somewhere out there? (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu)

Trump is practically doing what Clinton has done.. how is this stirring the pot when it's already been done before? Also Clinton-era immigration laws according to Human Rights Watch 1996 (no protest, no stirring the pot etc..) http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/bil...ize_unjust_detention_human_rights_watch_says/



And we know how Hillary supports the immigrants or so she says.. but everyone giving her a pass on these comments (2015) from both the press and the left;

 

[Maverick]

Instead of using a meme I used below, here's the real deal. I was being called a lier for using the meme elsewhere, trouble is, I looked it up before using the meme. Yep, the cupcakes pissed me off!

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

Full text.

 

[Brent S]

Your right on the immigration bans by both Obama and Bill Clinton. Bush did as well, and the thing is, I don't remember any commotion about any of it. I would agree here trump is catching more backlash than he deserves on this issue. I think both sides are full of crap most of the time and will pull up anything they can to try to make the other side look bad. I will say that I'm glad they backed off on the green card issue. Between the military advisors that risked their lives to help our guys and the educated ones that went through the hoops to get here legally and have already been vetted, there is no reason to keep them out.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Your right on the immigration bans by both Obama and Bill Clinton. Bush did as well, and the thing is, I don't remember any commotion about any of it. I would agree here trump is catching more backlash than he deserves on this issue. I think both sides are full of crap most of the time and will pull up anything they can to try to make the other side look bad. I will say that I'm glad they backed off on the green card issue. Between the military advisors that risked their lives to help our guys and the educated ones that went through the hoops to get here legally and have already been vetted, there is no reason to keep them out.

The difference is the media is totally in the Democrats back pocket now. Bush caught hell for everything he did too. The liberal controled media will do anything to make Trump and the Republicans look bad. Nevermind that most Americans support the ban and keeping this trash out of the US.

 

[Maverick]

From a CBS News affiliate of all people

 

[Gazrok]

She was a us citizen, a professor at Clemson university for years. But since she was Iranian at birth they weren't going to allow her to come home to her house and job.

Are you sure you have the whole story here? If a citizen, the ban would not apply. My guess is instead, she's just a LONG time resident that kept renewing her green card. This happens a LOT...but it isn't citizenship. Thing is, if you're going to live somewhere more than a decade, and insist loyalty to that state, you need to become a citizen to prove it. Otherwise, your loyalty is questionable at a time of strife between nations. Not to say she isn't, but just illustrating the perception. Renewal is an easier road than citizenship, so I get why many do it, but we all knew this was part of his platform and was coming.

If she really IS a citizen though, then this is a complete failure on the part of those preventing her return, as they are NOT following the order.

 

[Rob Painless]

I too have seen a few versions of this story. Don't know if it was true or not

Yeah, I've wondered about that as well. Some good points to think about either way.

 

[Brent S]

Are you sure you have the whole story here? If a citizen, the ban would not apply. My guess is instead, she's just a LONG time resident that kept renewing her green card. This happens a LOT...but it isn't citizenship. Thing is, if you're going to live somewhere more than a decade, and insist loyalty to that state, you need to become a citizen to prove it. Otherwise, your loyalty is questionable at a time of strife between nations. Not to say she isn't, but just illustrating the perception. Renewal is an easier road than citizenship, so I get why many do it, but we all knew this was part of his platform and was coming.

If she really IS a citizen though, then this is a complete failure on the part of those preventing her return, as they are NOT following the order.

I think you are probably right on her just having a green card. I kind of agree that even though he enacted it with no advanced warning, it was one of the things he clearly stated while running. It really should have not been a huge suprise.

 

[jeager]

Most ALL the media is liberal and owned by wealthy liberals.
google it.

 

[Dalisa]

if they'd had gold coins, passports, silenced pistols, soft armor, subsonic ammo, luminous sights, and night vision, they could have gotten out. If shtf is not world wide, all at once, the rational thing to do is go someplace where things are normal.

 

[jeager]

Murdering people in the name of race, religion, ethnicity............
how totally sickening, inhumane, barbaric.
Hitler may not have been insane in the 1930s when he organized the
post WWI Germany by finding a common cause to blame all Germany's
woes.
Jews were a handy minority. They were successful in business ventures,
and they pretty much stayed to themselves and they were not racially
German.
Not Aryan.
Hitler absolutely believe the Germanic peoples and those of Great Britain
were cousins.
He did not want a war with Great Britain.
He got it none the less.

 

[jeager]

The Liberal left media is going to smear President Trump at any
opportunity.
If no opportunity the Liberal left will invent something.
Clinton got impeached and got away with it.
Not for getting a b.j. from Monica but for lying about it.
No public t-v yet he lied, " I did not have sex ...................................."
Monica's picture belongs on a bag of Kibble 'n Bits.
If I was married to Hillary I'd be with Monica also.

 

[user 7704]

The media and the left is really spinning this whole thing out of proportion, Clinton banned certain groups when he was President as did obummer for 6 months with full support from the dems but no one protested then, this strictly has to do with the hatred of Trump nothing more!

Exactly Maverick. Nhe also wasn't a racist until HRC said he was

 

[jeager]

You mean Hillary the liar who said " I can't recall." 49 times?
Benghazi Hillary?
That Hillary?
Whose picture should be on bags of dog food.

 

[Dalisa]

Murdering people in the name of race, religion, ethnicity............
how totally sickening, inhumane, barbaric.
Hitler may not have been insane in the 1930s when he organized the
post WWI Germany by finding a common cause to blame all Germany's
woes.
Jews were a handy minority. They were successful in business ventures,
and they pretty much stayed to themselves and they were not racially
German.
Not Aryan.
Hitler absolutely believe the Germanic peoples and those of Great Britain
were cousins.
He did not want a war with Great Britain.
He got it none the less.

Murdering people in the name of race, religion, ethnicity............
how totally sickening, inhumane, barbaric.
Hitler may not have been insane in the 1930s when he organized the
post WWI Germany by finding a common cause to blame all Germany's
woes.
Jews were a handy minority. They were successful in business ventures,
and they pretty much stayed to themselves and they were not racially
German.
Not Aryan.
Hitler absolutely believe the Germanic peoples and those of Great Britain
were cousins.
He did not want a war with Great Britain.
He got it none the less.

If Hitler had had sense enough to forget Europe and invaded Russia FIRST, the world would have HELPED him! Then swoop thru the balkans, grab the Suez and the oil field, steam thru the mediterranean, secure Gibralter and England, support Japan (but have them not attack the US) and only the nukes coud have dis-lodged him. Any dummy could see that was the way to go.

 

[jeager]

Your quite right I believe.
Good for us Hitler was quite insane.
Hitler didn't know Japan was going to attack at Pearl Harbor.
Back then the U.S. wasn't even close to being prepared for a war.
What saved the world was American manufacturing capability
and resolve.
Frankly Britain was on the verge of defeat.
Losses at Dunkirk were devastating.
80% material and 20% manpower.
The Royal Air Corp saved Britain.
The Japanese did Britain a huge favor by attacking Pearl.
It drew the U.S. into the war.
Churchill was elated the Japanese attacked the U.S.
American Liberty ships saved Britain from literal starvation.
At horrible cost.
According to the War Shipping Administration, the U.S. Merchant Marine suffered the highest rate of casualties of any service in World War II. Officially, a total of 1,554 ships were sunk due to war conditions, including 733 ships of over 1,000 gross tons. Hundreds of other ships were damaged by torpedoes, shelling, bombs, kamikazes, mines, etc. Foreign flag ships, especially those with Naval Armed Guard on board as well as ships belonging to U.S. territories such as the Philippines, are included in this list.
We also gave literal tons of aid to Russia to stave off defeat by the Germans.
Hitler was stupid to attack Russia when he did.
Russia had vast oil reserves that Hitler wanted.
And the one thing Russia always had in abundance.
Manpower.

 

[Dalisa]

germans who got rid of the stalinists would have been worshipped by many Russians.

 

[Silent Earth]

If Hitler had had sense enough to forget Europe and invaded Russia FIRST, the world would have HELPED him! Then swoop thru the balkans, grab the Suez and the oil field, steam thru the mediterranean, secure Gibralter and England, support Japan (but have them not attack the US) and only the nukes coud have dis-lodged him. Any dummy could see that was the way to go.

What a load of bollocks, Hitler wanted a Greater Germanic state and he wants Alsace Loraine back off France, and the ethnically German bits back off Poland and Czechoslovakia, Once he had his greater Germanic state THEN he wanted Lebensraum ( Living space) by stealing huge chunks of the UKRAINE not Russia. He did not want Britain because he knew that not only was the entire Empire stood with GB but also Poland France, Greece and the low countries. He knew and accepted that Britains MARITIME empire could not be beaten and so her wanted a LAND empire in Central europe.

 

[Silent Earth]

Your quite right I believe.
Good for us Hitler was quite insane.
Hitler didn't know Japan was going to attack at Pearl Harbor.
Back then the U.S. wasn't even close to being prepared for a war.
What saved the world was American manufacturing capability
and resolve.
Frankly Britain was on the verge of defeat.
Losses at Dunkirk were devastating.
80% material and 20% manpower.
The Royal Air Corp saved Britain.
The Japanese did Britain a huge favor by attacking Pearl.
It drew the U.S. into the war.
Churchill was elated the Japanese attacked the U.S.
American Liberty ships saved Britain from literal starvation.
At horrible cost.

Man you got that wrong

Both the Germans and the Brits knew of the planned attack on PH, The Brits actually warned the US but to no avail.

Britain was not on the verge of defeat our expeditionary force got hammered stupid in France the Royal Navy and Royal air force were almost untouched, and no food, supplies or fuel shortages existed at that time. But most of the army was still intact but often in the wrong places IE across the Empire.That was 1939 early 1940.
By December 6th 1941 Britain was hammering the Germans by Air and Sea though in the Med the Germans and Italians were equally hammering us badly,and the Russians had started to bleed the Germans dry by October 1941 when the battle for Moscow began.

At those dates the UNITED STATES was not even in the war, Thats when the U boats started causing shortages getting to the UK mainland but the rest of the empire was untouched.

The Liberty ships did not save us from starvation but by god they helped improve things massively. The first liberty ship PATRICK HENRY was not even launched until September 1941 again after the worst of the crisis had started to pass but again by god they were very welcome help and the courage of the US sailors never forgotten. NOR must the long range AIR patrols be the USAAC be forgotten or the Canadian forces massive contribution

Next Dec 6 1941 Pearl Harbour when the US refused British intel that the Japanese were going to attack. on that dreadful day much of the USNs pacific capital ships got crippled or sunk, but the bulk of the critically essential carriers were out at sea. That is when the BRITISH and AUSTRALIANS helped out the USN because they immediately deployed their Pacific and Far Eastern big ships to act as fleet protection for the US carrier fleets and did so the whole of the war, Hardly an act of a nearly defeated Britain. PLUS we were also fighting the Afrika Corps in Libya and by mid 1942 we were defeating FM Erwin Rommel AND we were fighting the Japanese all across Asia from India to China .

Meanwhile from 8 December 1941 – 8 May 1942 the United states was getting hammered in the Fillipines by the japs and it was British and Commonwealth forces again who helped our US cousins, again hardly a nation on the brink of defeat.