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Usually the family is distraught and are easily talked into rash financial decisions.

Yep, exactly why I don't want our kids dealing with it.

And sorry to hear about your brother Brent.

(actually met Brent Spiner once, he's a really nice guy, and is always smiling. Must have been difficult for him to play Data with that serious expression all the time).

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My brother died recently. Drug overdose, years of addiction and not really a surprise. Still really sad though. I shopped around a lot and finally found a place, Atlantis Cremation Society in central Fla., (where my brother lived). It was 875.00, no service, ceremony or anything. They picked up the body, cremated him and gave some ashes in a cardboard box to a relative near there. I found prices up to 5k for cremation. 12 to 18 hundred seemed average. I learned that most funeral homes just sub out to these places and add their charge on. It pays to do some research. Usually the family is distraught and are easily talked into rash financial decisions.
Sorry Brent, I understand all to well about family and addiction. That is a great price for cremation. We didnt get the urn or anything. He's just sitting upstairs in a box in the clock stand.
 
Brent,
My sympathies as well. Whether a surprise or not, it's still difficult to lose a sibling.

Regarding size of universe/marbles/etc, let me quote my favorite evil witch of the west, "what difference does it make?". Does it matter to me what a fellow is China is having for dinner, how much less does it matter if there are parallel universes?

All this 'dark matter' and 'string theory' is simply over my head. I don't see how it affects me, and if some guys want to go play with equations, break a leg. Now I'd rather then not do it on my tax dollar (but that's another discussion...). It's like the discussion that Pluto was or wasn't a planet. Whether it exists doesn't affect me, and whether they define it as a planet or just a big rock, the biggest impact on me is remembering "My very eager Mother just served us nine (pickles!)." What, do I delete pickles & change 'nine' to 'nachos'?

Everyone here knows my beliefs. We have a body and a soul, one temporary and one permanent. That is far more important than dirt and rocks at distances beyond imagination.
 
how much less does it matter if there are parallel universes?

While I can somewhat agree on that...

I'm actually saying not even parallel universes...just MORE of our current one, that we have no inkling of, because the next "cluster" is SO far away, that we have no inkling of there being more out there.
 
We didnt get the urn or anything. He's just sitting upstairs in a box in the clock stand.

My wife's ex (who was one of my best friends, and died young, widowing her), his ashes are in an ornate dragon adorned urn (avid D&D player), in our home. Her father, is in an ornate horse sculpture urn (horses were his life), on the mantle over the fireplace in the den (or, the Western room.....(each one of our rooms has a theme).

My father is buried in one of the veteran cemeteries, in GA. Her mother is interred in a mausoleum, in a cemetery in the city where we both work. My mother is still around, and hopefully for much longer.

My grandparents, are in an OLD cemetery in a town where it's mostly only a few families. As some may know from older posts, my family has been here since before the US was a nation, hehe. It was odd, seeing so many graves with your last name on 'em.

We even had small marble headstones for workers (slaves actually, as these date back to before the Civil War, and my family was farmers), and yes, in the same cemetery. Apparently, from all accounts (both my family, and an actual surviving descendant of one of the families that worked for mine back then), my family was a bit more progressive, and treated them as extended members of the family who worked the fields alongside my family. Look, I'm not happy or proud of this particular part of my heritage, but I am at least happy to have gotten the chance to speak to Luther (the descendant) when I was younger, and he never had an unkind thing to say about how my family treated his and others.

I think too many stories like this are lost due to shame at our ancestors, etc. I wonder how much of THIS kind of thing was the norm, vs. what we are exposed to. Don't get me wrong, the practice of it is barbaric and inhuman...and I'm thankful it's no longer a part of the civilized world....but I'm also happy to hear that though my ancestors engaged in the practice, it seems they approached it more as cheap labor (not free, as I know they were provided their own housing, needs, leisure, etc.). The way Luther put it, his ancestors always had good meals, a good roof over their heads, clean and mended clothes, and were never treated as anything but valued labor and even family. This seemed to be reflected in the small matte marble headstones that dated to the 1800's. So while I'm ashamed it ever happened, I'm glad to have heard that my family doesn't seem to be a bunch of monsters.
 
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All this 'dark matter' and 'string theory' is simply over my head

Having spoken to you a lot, I doubt it. The basic gist of dark matter, is that according to their math, and the way things move in the Universe, they can only observe around 5-20% (depending on the paper) of the matter that SHOULD be here after the Big Bang. (based on the way the stars, etc. move, as influenced by gravity).

So, that leaves 80-95% of "something" else...IF the standard model is correct. So, this stuff that HAS to exist (to make the math work)...they call "dark matter" and "dark energy"....because, apart from gravity, there doesn't seem to be ANY other observable bit about it. So it is "dark". Basically, it's just a WORD to say, "we have no effing idea".... And yes, it's "made up" because of this. ;)

String Theory is a bit harder to describe, but basically, it was a new attempt at a Theory of Everything, or how the universal forces of gravity, electromagnetism, and both the weak and strong nuclear forces could be unified (or Unified Field Theory). (Einstein's "holy grail"). The other 3 typically fit the Standard Model well, but gravity always fails in the equations. String Theory seemed to be a good candidate for quantifying gravity, but when CERN's LHC went live, and the expected particles were failed to be detected, it pretty much was the death knell for at least the simplified version of String Theory.

So, for a lot of physicists, who thought this was the key....they were sent back to the blackboards to figure out where they went wrong. (like our friend Sheldon on the TV show, Big Bang Theory).

I'm no physicist, but I'm trying to explain it the best that I understand it. ;) So hope it helps. I know we're a bit off thread here...but it's interesting to some.
 
Brent, two of my brothers that have died, did not die from overdoses , but the years of drug use weakened all aspects of their health that they both died when a healthy body would have made it through their illnesses.

One went in for in and out thyroid surgery and died. His drug was heroin and had been off for 30 years or more.

The other brother had many drugs of choice and chain smoked cigarettes and that did him in.

Funny story. When he was in the Army, he was in Germany and he got drunk, stole a tank and spent a few years in jail for that . He wasn't the smartest of the bunch.
 
Brent, two of my brothers that have died, did not die from overdoses , but the years of drug use weakened all aspects of their health that they both died when a healthy body would have made it through their illnesses.

One went in for in and out thyroid surgery and died. His drug was heroin and had been off for 30 years or more.

The other brother had many drugs of choice and chain smoked cigarettes and that did him in.

Funny story. When he was in the Army, he was in Germany and he got drunk, stole a tank and spent a few years in jail for that . He wasn't the smartest of the bunch.
Nothing like going for a joy ride in a tank! Not sure if it was worth the cost....
I figure we all make choices in life, and there’s no doubt some of those choices impact us negatively. Our bodies are tough, but can only handle so much abuse. I’ve come to a peace with realizing I can only make choices for myself, and can’t for anyone else. Heck, some of my choices haven’t always been the best either. Sorry for your loss of two siblings.
 
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Yep, exactly why I don't want our kids dealing with it.

And sorry to hear about your brother Brent.

(actually met Brent Spiner once, he's a really nice guy, and is always smiling. Must have been difficult for him to play Data with that serious expression all the time).

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Holy crap he is looking old! On the other hand, so am I!
 
My brother died recently. Drug overdose, years of addiction and not really a surprise. Still really sad though. I shopped around a lot and finally found a place, Atlantis Cremation Society in central Fla., (where my brother lived). It was 875.00, no service, ceremony or anything. They picked up the body, cremated him and gave some ashes in a cardboard box to a relative near there. I found prices up to 5k for cremation. 12 to 18 hundred seemed average. I learned that most funeral homes just sub out to these places and add their charge on. It pays to do some research. Usually the family is distraught and are easily talked into rash financial decisions.
Thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family for strength.
 
Many smart people believed in String Theory and Dark Matter. I've said for years it was a crock of crap they cooked up just to make their math work.

I'm looking more and more right, while they all go back to the drawing board (and try to come up with more ideas for grants).

So, you can't put too much faith in these "really smart people" to always be right. (and this includes Dr. Hawking, who also bought into that nonsense).

Interestingly enough, you never hear about Dr. Bekenstein correcting one of Hawking's theories about black holes (one of the now laws of thermodynamics of them), and Bekenstein's doctorate is in PHILOSOPHY, whereas Hawking's is in math and physics (with a specialty in cosmology).... LOL... Just goes to show you that even the smartest of us, can be wrong (and often).
Just saw Steven Hawking passed last night. I’m actually kind of glad he is at peace now as he had a rough and painful life. Anyways, who knows, maybe he does have all the answers now? RIP.
 
Just saw Steven Hawking passed last night. I’m actually kind of glad he is at peace now as he had a rough and painful life. Anyways, who knows, maybe he does have all the answers now? RIP.

Yes, he will be missed.

Lot of strange coincidences about him.

He was born exactly on the 300th aniversary of Galilleo's death...almost to the hour. And, he died on Albert Einstein's birthday (today).

The actor Ogden Stiers Nash also died today. He was Charles Emmerson Winchester on the TV series M*A*S*H.
 

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