When to start drawing my SS

[DrHenley]

Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603 (1960)

Ephram Nestor sued the government for cutting off his Social Security payments after he was deported for being a member of the Communist Party. The Supreme Court ruled that there is no contractual right to receive Social Security payments. The interest of a beneficiary of Social Security is protected only by the Due Process Clause.

And when Congress changes who can get paid and how much, that IS Due Process!

 

[user 6493]

Your incorrect

They can, S.S is a Tax that can be changed or ended at any time. No lawsuits or legal action can be taken.

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[DrHenley]

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Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603 (1960)
The Supreme Court said he is right.
Look it up

 

[user 6493]

Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603 (1960)
The Supreme Court said he is right.
Look it up

I will say this ,which ever party is in power if it happens will cut their own throats they will all be voted out of office and it will be decades before they can get someone in any office again

 

[user 6493]

they cut the program,,,just sit back and watch what happens,,,,some of them will be in their grave in short order

 

[user 6493]

Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603 (1960)
The Supreme Court said he is right.
Look it up

now I have looked at this,,,,,,read it yourself the reason his benifits were taken away had nothing to do with ending the program

In this 1960 Supreme Court decision Nestor's denial of benefits was upheld even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was already receiving benefits. Under a 1954 law, Social Security benefits were denied to persons deported for, among other things, having been a member of the Communist party. Accordingly, Mr. Nestor's benefits were terminated. He appealed the termination arguing, among other claims, that promised Social Security benefits were a contract and that Congress could not renege on that contract. In its ruling, the Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not contractual right.

 

[user 6493]

now I am walking away from this thread,,,,,when people start talking bsflag that is not going to happen it's time to ignore the thread

 

[Proud Prepper]

now I have looked at this,,,,,,read it yourself the reason his benifits were taken away had nothing to do with ending the program

In this 1960 Supreme Court decision Nestor's denial of benefits was upheld even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was already receiving benefits. Under a 1954 law, Social Security benefits were denied to persons deported for, among other things, having been a member of the Communist party. Accordingly, Mr. Nestor's benefits were terminated. He appealed the termination arguing, among other claims, that promised Social Security benefits were a contract and that Congress could not renege on that contract. In its ruling, the Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not contractual right.

S.S. is a tax, its not an entiltlment, its not a retirement account, its not a gaurrenteed benefit. Its a scam! Used as a political football, regulated by congress. Congress can do whatever they want with a tax.

You can leave the thread when you don't,like the truth, its still the truth. Your probably right about all hell breaking loose if Congress stops paying people there S.S. promisary return.

 

[DrHenley]

Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not contractual right.

 

[user 6493]

S.S. is a tax, its not an entiltlment, its not a retirement account, its not a gaurrenteed benefit. Its a scam! Used as a political football, regulated by congress. Congress can do whatever they want with a tax.

You can leave the thread when you don't,like the truth, its still the truth. Your probably right about all hell breaking loose if Congress stops paying people there S.S. promisary return.

you throw things out here I think at times to see who you can tic off,,,this is one of them

 

[Mountain trapper]

I've always thought that SS should be voluntary. A working person should have the option whether to put their money in to the government SS scheme, or invest it in an approved personal 401k or IRA account. I'm pretty sure that I can (and have) invest MY money better than the government can.

 

[Mountain trapper]

It's sad that so many people depend solely on SS as their only source of income in old age. The wife and I made sure to have many other investments for retirement.

 

[Proud Prepper]

I've always thought that SS should be voluntary. A working person should have the option whether to put their money in to the government SS scheme, or invest it in an approved personal 401k or IRA account. I'm pretty sure that I can (and have) invest MY money better than the government can.

Uh, it is voluntary. There are U.S. citizens that do not have a social security number, nor do they participate in it.

The government makes it very inconvenient and a pain in the ass to not get one. There is no law that forces anyone to have a S.S. number.

 

[Proud Prepper]

you throw things out here I think at times to see who you can tic off,,,this is one of them

I didn't create the SS Tax, how am I ticking anyone off?

 

[Dani]

That really sucks! I hope it wasn’t too hard to get it straightened out for you.

it was shortly after hunny turned 65 that he received a letter in the mail from the Social Security office. It was questioning where the payment was being sent. Ex brother in law only got a few months worth but had they not sent a letter, hunny wouldn't have known about it.

 

[BucketBack]

Some useful tools straight from the Government.

Estimate Your Retirement Benefits (very close estimate)
https://secure.ssa.gov/acu/ACU_KBA/main.jsp?URL=/apps8z/ARPI/main.jsp?locale=en&LVL=4
Social Security Quick Calculator (generally lower than what you would actually receive)
https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/quickcalc/
Create your personal my Social Security account today (this is useful)
https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/

I was just there, all I have to do is select the date and esign