A serious Question about having greater Empathy and Compassion for "PREPPERS" who are failing then "NON"-Preppers, post SHTF....???

[Sourdough]

Why should I have greater empathy & compassion for preppers who "failed" over non-preppers.

Try to keep religion out of this thread, as I would prefer it stayed in prepping, and NOT get moved to Religion forum.

 

[Neb]

Why should I have greater empathy & compassion for preppers who "failed" over non-preppers.

I can't give you a reason. I will be looking for a lot of guidance from God if the time comes.

Ben

 

[Hardcalibres]

Why should I have greater empathy & compassion for preppers who "failed" over non-preppers.

.....which is more important:

1. Talking people out of unsurvivable ideas/paradigms or......
2. Not hurting their feelings.....making them "feel bad"

even very normal people are becoming convinced that something very bad is coming........but only a small proportion of the population has good/viable ideas on how to survive that.

Is it the responsibility of those people to try to help the unprepared and indeed the wrongly prepared, while they still can?

 

[LadyLocust]

Hey there SD. I would like to ask empathy (the ability to put yourself in their shoes) or sympathy (sorrow and acting upon such emotions)?

Without that info. I would say to consider the fact that those who fail at least attempted and acknowledged the need. Those who didn’t were either ignorant of cause and effect or potential and/or plan on others “saving” them. (I have little sympathy for those).

 

[Tirediron]

No everybody has had access to the same info if they choose not to listen, it is on them, I don't see them helping anyone else now, just keep wasting time and money, like the idiots that thing my rusty old 1/2 ton is a disgrace, yes it is to General motors not me they bought half baked metal to build the body out of not me. thinking that I can save people has caused me more than enough headaches over the years. now if a prepared person was separated from their home and stuff, them I might see helping on there way.

 

[Tirediron]

Sourdough can you give an example of why some preppers would fail, just the act of having a clue things are not right should put them in a much more advantageous place than the TV new believers?

 

[Hardcalibres]

The common pitfalls that I see posted in these online prepping forums are:

1. Wrong mindset
2. Scenario prepping
3. Substitution of one fake news source with another (more pleasant) fake news source - failure to recognize propaganda
4. Unsurvivable location
5. Unviable water preparedness
6. Ignorance of and failure to learn from history
7. Underestimation of violence and acts of desperation
8. Overestimation of how long a modest pile of supplies will last
9. Underestimation of how long a crisis will take to complete and get back to normal (for the ones that do)
10. Overestimation of the viability/benefit of teams formed with normal/average people and especially neighbors
11. Misunderstanding of how security works - especially in a world without the rule of law (WROL)
12. Underestimation of the workload of stand alone security
13. Overestimation of current self sufficiency
14. Underestimation of the workload for future self sufficiency
15. BTDT folks that assume they can still do that at their current age
16. Failure to understand/comprehend the significance of mobility
17. Focus upon costs rather than income
18. Failure to foster the right mindset in immediate family members
19. Underestimation of the importance of training, practice and drills - assumption that objects=capabilities
20. Obsession with politics
21. Blown OPSEC
22. Crazy

 

[Sourdough]

Sourdough can you give an example of why some preppers would fail

I think most preppers are going to fail. Just take a little longer. The "prepping" community has failed to communicate "HONESTLY" with those questing for prepping knowledge. I think it is very sad what has been done. I think preppers have been intentionally seduced and "snookered".

 

[Hardcalibres]

I think most preppers are going to fail. Just take a little longer. The "prepping" community has failed to communicate "HONESTLY" with those questing for prepping knowledge. I think it is very sad what has been done. I think preppers have been intentionally "snookered".

Yeah I agree.....except with the last part. I doubt it was intentional.

I assess that preppers are a small minority that has had enough woke rub off onto it, for people to think that "not making people feel bad about their preps" is a priority.

Once upon a time, the way people developed resilience was by feeling bad and then doing something for themselves to avoid that in the future.

Human motivation comes from both within and without.

 

[Sourdough]

I don't think anything can now be said to "current" preppers to "HELP" them. They have been so badly misinformed, misguided, lied too for profit. Sadly the "internet" is a massive part of the problem.

 

[LadyLocust]

I don't think anything can now be said to "current" preppers to "HELP" them. They have been so badly misinformed, misguided, lied too for profit. Sadly the "internet" is a massive part of the problem.

Also sad that the generations who had so many skills and knowledge have passed. Some 90 year olds know- if you can find one who lived a certain way and is in good enough humor to share.

 

[Tirediron]

I would have to agree, if someone will not try to live the lifestyle that may come post more shtf, they probably don't stand much chance. Woke culture just wont work. and NEW doesn't mean good or reliable anymore. EGO will be the end of many, don't honestly listen and consider, just show how right you are

 

[Amish Heart]

I'd probably be more likely to help a prepper that I know already that had something happen and they "failed" in a sense, but with a hand up, not a hand out. I would hope someone who was a prepper would be looking for ways anyway to better their situation and not a woke couch potato wanna be.
A for instance, would be giving them seeds. I think I feel empathy and compassion for anyone in a bad situation, but just giving someone something may not make a difference. Living the lifestyle is a different way to live. Our oldest daughter was just here for the week, and we had a blast, but she knows she was raised like we live. Different than what she lives now, and is missing it.

 

[Tirediron]

Also sad that the generations who had so many skills and knowledge have passed. Some 90 year olds know- if you can find one who lived a certain way and is in good enough humor to share.

I found that a lot of older people found life too hard and wouldn't share information, so it still ends up trial and error. and big one is some people will tell you stuff that they have only heard, not experienced and act like they have experienced it.

 

[LadyLocust]

I found that a lot of older people found life too hard and wouldn't share information, so it still ends up trial and error. and big one is some people will tell you stuff that they have only heard, not experienced and act like they have experienced it.

My FIL is 90. His mom died giving birth to him. He was primarily raised by his grandparents and in a very rural location. I have asked him several questions about how some things were done when he was a child. I am very thankful.

 

[Tirediron]

The common pitfalls that I see posted in these online prepping forums are:

1. Wrong mindset
2. Scenario prepping
3. Substitution of one fake news source with another (more pleasant) fake news source - failure to recognize propaganda
4. Unsurvivable location
5. Unviable water preparedness
6. Ignorance of and failure to learn from history
7. Underestimation of violence and acts of desperation
8. Overestimation of how long a modest pile of supplies will last
9. Underestimation of how long a crisis will take to complete and get back to normal (for the ones that do)
10. Overestimation of the viability/benefit of teams formed with normal/average people and especially neighbors
11. Misunderstanding of how security works - especially in a world without the rule of law (WROL)
12. Underestimation of the workload of stand alone security
13. Overestimation of current self sufficiency
14. Underestimation of the workload for future self sufficiency
15. BTDT folks that assume they can still do that at their current age
16. Failure to understand/comprehend the significance of mobility
17. Focus upon costs rather than income
18. Failure to foster the right mindset in immediate family members
19. Underestimation of the importance of training, practice and drills - assumption that objects=capabilities
20. Obsession with politics
21. Blown OPSEC
22. Crazy

I was doing fairly well until 22. That might be a bit of a problem

 

[Hardcalibres]

I was doing fairly well until 22. That might be a bit of a problem

That is why I put it last.....not because it is rare or less of a problem.

More that I didn't want crazy people to give up on reading the whole list before the end.

Edit to add:

1. Most crazy people think they are sane
2. Most people who think they are crazy, are actually at least moderately sane

 

[Biggkidd]

I think a lot of us gen X'ers have a be prepared and a I can do it mindset from the way we grew up, be it from boy scouts or what have you. As to helping others I always try and help those who are willing and trying to help themselves. I refuse to help the give me types who refuse to even put in the effort! I never give money though I often give time, knowledge, use of tools etc.....

 

[Pearl]

BOTTOM LINE, ready or not, ITS coming!!

 

[Biggkidd]

I NEED more people here working together. But it's likely not worth bringing anyone "new" in at this point.

 

[Amish Heart]

I know our place would do better with more hands to help, but that's not happening right now. So we do the best we can when we can. Little granddaughter and I get a good amount done. So finding the sweet spot in what you can handle, what you can manage. I put the incubator away on purpose for awhile for this reason...could put in another dz turkey eggs for next months hatch, but then I'd have to set them up when they get bigger, and I have two large setups already, so it can wait. Part of the garden that I didn't get turned can wait right now, too. I can plant more when it's turned, even if it's just more greens and beets this fall.

 

[elkhound]

i bet if you look at survival numbers across time and go with percentages the highest percentage would be non preppers...why..just by sheer volume alone...a minority is just that..a minority....soooo...i am not saying dont keep stuff ready..just looking at history...people that lived were the survivalist..because they survived...how and whys vary greatly too....does someone who begged meals and survive are less than someone who had a huge storehouse full...both survived by their own 'means and ability' didnt they?

there once was this big shot guy...he got over run by barbarians he looked down on...he ran for his life..he came upon a woman and forced her to feed him...he may or may not done something else..she cooked a big meal and fed him...what happens after a big meal and you are tired..he fell asleep...he woke up later to his own demise as the woman drove the tent spike through his ear and into the ground.

moral of story...cooking skill and camping skill...pounding tent stakes trumped warrior skills...just saying..may or may not be relevant to thread..but i think it is,...who survives...time will tell..along with situations.

 

[Haertig]

I think a lot of us gen X'ers ...

Gen X'ers?! You must be young. I would have guessed most of us fall into the Baby Boomers category!

 

[Haertig]

My predictions, based on nothing more than my personal hunch:

Non-prepped: Survival time 3 weeks to 3 months
Mildly to moderately prepped (the ones many here make fun of): Survival time 3 months to 9 months
Super prepped: Survival time 1 year to 2 years

The difference is so minor in relation to my lifetime that I call it a draw. Both the non-prepped and the super-prepped seem to think they'll live for much longer than I'm predicting. More power to 'em. I give myself 3 to 9 months.

I also agree with @elkhound that the highest number of survivors will be non-preppers, simply because there are so many of them.

• The non-prepped don't even really think about surviving. It's not because of wokeness - that's a separate thing - survival is just not on their radar.
• The mild/moderate-prepped think about it, make some plans to address it, stockpile some food and supplies, but don't live and breath it.
• The super-prepped live and breath it as the driving force in their lives.

None of these attitudes is wrong, or deserving of being made fun of. However, that still happens quite frequently, mostly from the super-prepped, and often times in a very condescending manner. I'm in the middle and happy to be there because that's where I have chosen to be. The non-prepped think I'm super-prepped and the super-prepped think I am non-prepped. I am judged an uninformed idiot who doesn't see what's right in front of my face, but for different reasons depending on who is judging me. Which brings a smile to my face. That is common for us idiots.

 

[elkhound]

Gen X'ers?! You must be young. I would have guessed most of us fall into the Baby Boomers category!

gen x starts in 1965 goes to 1980 some of us are close to 60 now as you can see...we not spring chickens.

 

[Magpie]

I don't think anything can now be said to "current" preppers to "HELP" them. They have been so badly misinformed, misguided, lied too for profit. Sadly the "internet" is a massive part of the problem.

I'm a little lost here about what you mean- I think of preppers as being stocked to the hilt with everything imaginable, including those army ration foil foodpacks, who name I cant think of right now. I know someone like this.But- he has no real 'skills' doesn't know where to find water, can't grow anything, and has no seeds. Is this what you mean by 'failing' ? as in they think they have bought their way out of a crisis.

I would have a little bit of sympathy for the children of people who will starve because they didn't do anything, but maybe empathy for those who at least tried and failed. Saying that, it might depend on if I liked them in the first place!

 

[Magus]

Why should I have greater empathy & compassion for preppers who "failed" over non-preppers.

Try to keep religion out of this thread, as I would prefer it stayed in prepping, and NOT get moved to Religion forum.

Can you restate that? I'm not sure what you mean. do you know what you mean and what does it have to do with religion? What do you consider "failed"?

 

[Magus]

I was doing fairly well until 22. That might be a bit of a problem

Sanity just gets in my way, I like the voices in my head. Funny thing, if the voices in your head say if I go somewhere, I'll see something or find something, and you go and you do, are you still crazy? I keep on wondering about that. Anyways, back to sour. Is it not our duty to reduce needless suffering in the world and act like family?

 

[WVDragonlady]

Why should I have greater empathy & compassion for preppers who "failed" over non-preppers.

Try to keep religion out of this thread, as I would prefer it stayed in prepping, and NOT get moved to Religion forum.

Who asked you to? If you don't want to, then don't.


Another questionable question
Always trying to start stuff with these "questions".

 

[Ray1965]

Why should I have greater empathy & compassion for preppers who "failed" over non-preppers.

Try to keep religion out of this thread, as I would prefer it stayed in prepping, and NOT get moved to Religion forum.

The person next to you whom you may not even know, might save your life someday