Are liberal snowflakes bad where you are?

[user 6493]

yes same here, my only DUTY is to make sure my wife and I survive, not to people who cant be bothered .

my niece and her husband know what I am doing and they are about the only ones who do but they are 850 miles away in Florida, they start dropping nukes I doubt they can get here but they know they are welcome to come when the world goes to ****

 

[lonewolf]

here is a story I think will show how people will react in the UK following a power grid collapse, its only on a small scale and was nearly 27 years ago but I think it still shows the attitude of most of the population.
I was renting a room in a shared house along with 6 other people, the electric was cut off for non payment-we had paid the landlord but he hadn't paid the electricity company, straight away 4 people left and moved in with relatives, which just left me and the couple who rented the front room downstairs, we managed to survive with paraffin/kerosene stoves and storm lanterns, the power was off for several weeks before a prepayment meter was installed.

 

[Billy Roper]

I understand the combined need for security as well as avoiding the social stigma. What I'm building with the ShieldWall Network is a coalition, a web, of relatively local folks who get to know one another now and work together to learn who runs things in their communities, where all of the available resources are, how they are accessed, and how to become a person of influence in their communities before SHTF, if they want: or to have a network of personally known and trusted like-minded folks within half a gas tank's drive or less who have a variety of skills, training, assets, and resources on hand for mutual support and assistance, now, and for when it's really needed some day.

 

[user 6493]

I understand the combined need for security as well as avoiding the social stigma. What I'm building with the ShieldWall Network is a coalition, a web, of relatively local folks who get to know one another now and work together to learn who runs things in their communities, where all of the available resources are, how they are accessed, and how to become a person of influence in their communities before SHTF, if they want: or to have a network of personally known and trusted like-minded folks within half a gas tank's drive or less who have a variety of skills, training, assets, and resources on hand for mutual support and assistance, now, and for when it's really needed some day.

this is a good concept but once gas has become scarce and trust me it will not take long, at least for me 40 miles one way will be as far as I will be willing to drive,,,there will be hazards on the road and even a short trip of 40 miles can be a life threatening event

 

[Billy Roper]

I agree. That's why I want to start on a statewide level, and then through building networks decentralize it to a County level.

 

[Maverick]

how to become a person of influence in their communities before SHTF,

I have no desire to be a person of influence outside my property, once outside people find out how resourceful you are than you become a target. An o'l saying 'loose lips sink ships'

You just lost your Op-Sec

This is what I read Billy, The Shieldwall Network "Think racially, take a stand locally." And my take The Shieldwall Network is building a coalition of white supremacy not prepping in the since of what this forum is about!

But further reading I come across this from your web page and this pretty much excludes my wife and me for that matter, this is all white supremacist talk billy,

Jews, Homos and Indians..Oh, My!!
"I’m perplexed as to how our people can proclaim that they are white nationalists, fighting for the 14 words, shouting “White Pride” and “Proud to be racist!”, while supporting and cheering on men who are proud to have 10% Jewish ancestry, or men who are homosexuals, or men who are married to half-breeds. In my very uncool beliefs, one being that our people should not have relationships and breed with other races, second, that homosexuality is an abomination that contributes to the decline of our race, and third, that only people of pure white ancestry should be on our side of the battlefield… I’m not sure I’ll ever understand how these Jews, homos and race mixers ever got lifted up in so-called white racial movements." http://divine-truth.org/2017/02/21/jews-homos-and-indians-oh-my/

 

[Billy Roper]

Yes, my wife wrote that, I reblogged it, and I support it. As you said, it's not for everybody. I support the views of America's Founding Fathers who wrote the Naturalization Act of 1790.

 

[lonewolf]

i don't care much what other people are racially or sexually, I just want to be left alone.
i'm with Grayghost, post SHTF with no fuel I wont be travelling very far, even WITH fuel about 13 miles will be my limit(next town West and North).

 

[Billy Roper]

In some areas, it may be back to horse and buggy days, or just horses, or on foot. Other areas may have limited fuel supplies, near production and refining facilities. We've all seen the Mad Max movies, lol. But there's also biodiesel, wood gasification, and steam engines. Still, I do think our worlds are going to become a lot smaller, which is why I say that a half dozen guys you know within five miles of you are going to be worth the five hundred you used to know when there was an internet. Building a network locally is worth the time and risk to opsec, in my opinion.

 

[lonewolf]

if they were preppers or even just thought like preppers maybe, no one here is like that so its not worth chancing my opsec, no sir.

 

[Billy Roper]

I know it varies from one area to another, a lot. I like to go to gun shows and shooting ranges and also to talk to veterans, to cherry pick from them people who are more likely to be preppers.

 

[lonewolf]

like you say it varies, most people in Britain these days are anti gun and anti hunting and I prefer to mind my own business and tell them nothing, I trust no one and like them even less, modern British people have nothing in common with me and don't have a clue about self reliance, they depend on the system for survival from cradle to grave, most will be dead a couple of months post SHTF.

 

[Billy Roper]

Oh man, I can only imagine how it is in the U.K., with your anti-gun laws and more dense population in many areas. I'd have to move north and become a shepherd or something in the highlands. lol

 

[lonewolf]

the dense population is in the South East...commuting area into London and the big cities in the Midlands, Birmingham, Manchester. I live in the remote far South West in the Northern rural less populated part of my county. I don't have much to fear from the big city populations, they are hundreds of miles away and might as well be on another planet as we have nothing in common.

 

[Billy Roper]

I'm sure you've looked online to see if there are any near you? http://www.uk-preppers.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=13 and such?

 

[lonewolf]

I run a British prepper forum myself.
sometimes its hard to tell a real prepper from an imposter, they all sound plausible online, its only when you meet them face to face you can tell the fakes from the real ones, so far only 2 people stand up to scrutiny and i'm not even sure of both of them.
nope, as far as Post SHTF is concerned i'll mind my own business and do my own thing, well me and the wife that is.

 

[Maverick]

I'm sure you've looked online to see if there are any near you? http://www.uk-preppers.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=13 and such?

Most of the prepper sites over their have a general rule "1. Keep it legal" thus throwing out any talk of personal defense or anything that's counter culture to what the laws are in other words don't talk **** about the government their.. so called freedom of speech is monitored by big brother, same here but over their the government is known to crackdown on anything subversive! I think real preppers from the UK stay away from the forums in the UK and most won't even venture to sites over here out of fear.

 

[user 6493]

In some areas, it may be back to horse and buggy days, or just horses, or on foot. Other areas may have limited fuel supplies, near production and refining facilities. We've all seen the Mad Max movies, lol. But there's also biodiesel, wood gasification, and steam engines. Still, I do think our worlds are going to become a lot smaller, which is why I say that a half dozen guys you know within five miles of you are going to be worth the five hundred you used to know when there was an internet. Building a network locally is worth the time and risk to opsec, in my opinion.

I have a few friends here close by that while things are as they are now are pretty good friends but if it goes to hell they know where I live and what I have they will become a major concern,I may end up having to defend myself from them,if I had a place I could move to,it might be wiser to get away from those who know you,,,,safety in numbers is not always going to be a true statement

 

[Maverick]

Wrong or right, they ain't no friends outside the property, I see many preppers becoming raiders. How many outside preppers are hooking up with other preppers for the sole purpose of gathering intel on local private stashes using the illusion of agreeing to mutual aid? As paranoid as that sounds it needs to be thought of, a lot of these mutual aid agreement where as one party doesn't have vested interest in your supplies other than wanting/needing it.

We can see the only road leading to the property from back of the properties edge so any assault here would be extremely difficult, there is a single lane bridge just out of view of the picture that can be taken down by a chainsaw so for me no, I don't want a lot of strangers up here nor will I leave my place outside this area to assist thus any part of mutual aid is out of the question, besides it would take me an hour to get anywhere in the summer time. The river is tame in this photo and generally considered whitewater so trying to go up stream is next to impossible, during the winter the road is impassable, during the spring the road floods so very few travel the road even in good weather.

The snowflakes are doing their damnedest to pass California style laws from environmental to firearms that make it harder and harder for me to stay in this State and i will leave, we have already talked about it even with what I have setup here. If I need to leave I will go to Northern Idaho or Montana, anywhere between Northern Idaho and St Regis, Montana, I know those areas very well plus plenty of water unlike Arizona (where the wife would prefer) I need to follow the water.

 

[lonewolf]

Most of the prepper sites over their have a general rule "1. Keep it legal" thus throwing out any talk of personal defense or anything that's counter culture to what the laws are in other words don't talk **** about the government their.. so called freedom of speech is monitored by big brother, same here but over their the government is known to crackdown on anything subversive! I think real preppers from the UK stay away from the forums in the UK and most won't even venture to sites over here out of fear.

a lot of british "preppers" wont go on American sites because the believe they aren't relevant to british prepping, too much talk about guns and military stuff. most are only prepping for short term events not TEOTWAWKI.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Wrong or right, they ain't no friends outside the property, I see many preppers becoming raiders. How many outside preppers are hooking up with other preppers for the sole purpose of gathering intel on local private stashes using the illusion of agreeing to mutual aid? As paranoid as that sounds it needs to be thought of, a lot of these mutual aid agreement where as one party doesn't have vested interest in your supplies other than wanting/needing it.

We can see the only road leading to the property from back of the properties edge so any assault here would be extremely difficult, there is a single lane bridge just out of view of the picture that can be taken down by a chainsaw so for me no, I don't want a lot of strangers up here nor will I leave my place outside this area to assist thus any part of mutual aid is out of the question, besides it would take me an hour to get anywhere in the summer time. The river is tame in this photo and generally considered whitewater so trying to go up stream is next to impossible, during the winter the road is impassable, during the spring the road floods so very few travel the road even in good weather.

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The snowflakes are doing their damnedest to pass California style laws from environmental to firearms that make it harder and harder for me to stay in this State and i will leave, we have already talked about it even with what I have setup here. If I need to leave I will go to Northern Idaho or Montana, anywhere between Northern Idaho and St Regis, Montana, I know those areas very well plus plenty of water unlike Arizona (where the wife would prefer) I need to follow the water.

I grew up in Oregon and loved it there. But I had to leave about 25 years ago because of the Californication of the state. I moved to North Idaho and bought a large tract of timberland, built a cabin and logged (using horses) trapped and had a couple sawmills. Then I took some overseas jobs and moved to Alaska etc, etc.
I know the area that you're talking about very well too. Still have friends and family in the area. I spent a lot of time in desert areas; Gobi, Sahara, Caspian, ME, and I have no desire to ever see a desert again. Always follow the water.

 

[Silent Earth]

Maverick I think a modest percentage of your appraisal is right, but I think many THINKING preppers are more likely to be thinking longer term and preppers within your area are more likely to unify and become homesteaders who COOPERATE a bit like the Amish and similar sub cultures do. Yes there will be predators and parasites you see em on all the forums. The start and finish of their preps revolve entirely around being armed, they see arms as a mean to an end rather than like most people on here who simply see guns are tools which are only a PART of their preps. We or YOU as a good example are going to have to live like your ancestors did, Living on a fortified homestead or ranch surrounded at times by Injuns. (JoeSA is another perfect example of having to live in a fortified homestead) Using radios to stay in touch with known friendly neighbours you should be able to mutually protect each others interests. You will farm to survive, cooperate with others like you but just like on the Ponderosa ranch in Bonanza you will need to have armed patrols and lookout points. Take the time to re-read J W Rawles Patriots book, I like some of the REDOUBT type thinking he applies to the main characters homestead in Montana.

 

[Silent Earth]

Most of the prepper sites over their have a general rule "1. Keep it legal" thus throwing out any talk of personal defense or anything that's counter culture to what the laws are in other words don't talk **** about the government their.. so called freedom of speech is monitored by big brother, same here but over their the government is known to crackdown on anything subversive! I think real preppers from the UK stay away from the forums in the UK and most won't even venture to sites over here out of fear.

Amen to that many UK forums are not much more than personal fiefdoms or so politically correct that 90% of valid debate is banned, Oh and heaven help anyone disagreeing with a UK moderator that just leads to you being banned.

I think when I read between the lines on many forums when the owners cover their collective ***** by saying ' 1 Keep it legal' most folks understand that will only apply until TSHTF, often in my experience when more contentious issues require debate members then move to PM and E mail systems for more privacy.

 

[Silent Earth]

Oh man, I can only imagine how it is in the U.K., with your anti-gun laws and more dense population in many areas. I'd have to move north and become a shepherd or something in the highlands. lol

Hah the Haggis munchers and sheep molestors have just banned AIR RIFLES in National Socialist Scotland, you have to get a licence off the police even for a pellet gun. Billy you would be suicidal in a week in the UK. Your best bet would be the Czech republic or Finland.

 

[Silent Earth]

Just thinking Mav / Artic even if they aint preppers per se, surely your homesteading neighbours have much common ground with you and you can prolly work with them to keep your community free from Democrats wanting to redistribute your wealth??

 

[Maverick]

Maverick I think a modest percentage of your appraisal is right, but I think many THINKING preppers are more likely to be thinking longer term and preppers within your area are more likely to unify and become homesteaders who COOPERATE a bit like the Amish and similar sub cultures do. Yes there will be predators and parasites you see em on all the forums. The start and finish of their preps revolve entirely around being armed, they see arms as a mean to an end rather than like most people on here who simply see guns are tools which are only a PART of their preps. We or YOU as a good example are going to have to live like your ancestors did, Living on a fortified homestead or ranch surrounded at times by Injuns. (JoeSA is another perfect example of having to live in a fortified homestead) Using radios to stay in touch with known friendly neighbours you should be able to mutually protect each others interests. You will farm to survive, cooperate with others like you but just like on the Ponderosa ranch in Bonanza you will need to have armed patrols and lookout points. Take the time to re-read J W Rawles Patriots book, I like some of the REDOUBT type thinking he applies to the main characters homestead in Montana.

A good number of preppers I know of around these parts appear to be prepping for conflicts not sustainability, Most of the preppers around these parts I don't want them to know where I live 'loose lips sink ships'. The only one's I know that are legit and have their shxt together is over 50 miles away with the only access a seasonal road. The majority of preppers live in the suburbs and in my opinion death traps in a SHTF/TEOTWAWKI, it comes down to why would I lower my defenses of the property to render aid to anyone in the suburbs? Most of the folks that live out in the rural areas are in their 70s and 80s that are in health despair with their kids waiting for them to die just so they can sell the property or an area for them to make meth, I know a whole lot of them and that's the problem here. Luckily for me the so-called fortification are all natural, I really don't want an armed camp here but that doesn't mean we ain't vigilant nor blind

Rawles book is a good recommended read, I agree with many of his points!

 

[Silent Earth]

A good number of preppers I know of around these parts appear to be prepping for conflicts not sustainability,

Not PREPPERS, renegades, chancers, scroungers and brigands, What they gonna do when the fighting stops and all the orange vest owners have wiped out the local critters for food?. IF I repeat IF they are PREPPERS they must look FURTHER than the initial possibly violent events of TSHTF and look to sustainability. Besides WTF is the point of surviving the initial disaster and the violent immediate aftermath then starving to death 18 months later because you have relied on salvaging and stealing to survive. SOONER rather than later food and luck will run out.

I am firmly of the belief that OUR unique skills and mind sets could greatly compliment the skills and mind sets off Off Gridders / Homesteaders/ Small ranchers etc and whilst I would not want to get into bed with them I do feel a familiarity and bit of interaction between them and us would be good. EG buying your eggs or firewood or fresh fruit or something THEY have to trade could/ would / should improve OUR chances in the long term. If you have local food and craft markets etc in your area be regular customers, If you have a local gun shop give them some regular custom

 

[Maverick]

Not PREPPERS, renegades, chancers, scroungers and brigands, What they gonna do when the fighting stops and all the orange vest owners have wiped out the local critters for food?. IF I repeat IF they are PREPPERS they must look FURTHER than the initial possibly violent events of TSHTF and look to sustainability. Besides WTF is the point of surviving the initial disaster and the violent immediate aftermath then starving to death 18 months later because you have relied on salvaging and stealing to survive. SOONER rather than later food and luck will run out.

I am firmly of the belief that OUR unique skills and mind sets could greatly compliment the skills and mind sets off Off Gridders / Homesteaders/ Small ranchers etc and whilst I would not want to get into bed with them I do feel a familiarity and bit of interaction between them and us would be good. EG buying your eggs or firewood or fresh fruit or something THEY have to trade could/ would / should improve OUR chances in the long term. If you have local food and craft markets etc in your area be regular customers, If you have a local gun shop give them some regular custom

No, they ain't preppers in terms of our understanding never the less they are viewed as preppers and as such mingle with the one's that have prepped in sustainable ways. I view it as why would I agree to mutual aid or befriend legit preppers who have or may have aligned themselves with the militant side of preppers in this area, to me that opens up a security threat to my family and what we have built. In this part of the Country it isn't like Northern Idaho or even Eastern Washington for that matter where neighbors help and look out for other neighbors, we have the extremes of both sides here such as wanting a civil war and the other side wanting to control my land through legislative actions. One side I can keep at bay the other side has the law thus one County (West of the Cascades) dictates for the whole State. My view is not right or wrong it's just a precautionary measure. When I settled and built here it wasn't like this.

 

[Silent Earth]

No, they ain't preppers in terms of our understanding never the less they are viewed as preppers and as such mingle with the one's that have prepped in sustainable ways. I view it as why would I agree to mutual aid or befriend legit preppers who have or may have aligned themselves with the militant side of preppers in this area, to me that opens up a security threat to my family and what we have built. In this part of the Country it isn't like Northern Idaho or even Eastern Washington for that matter where neighbors help and look out for other neighbors, we have the extremes of both sides here such as wanting a civil war and the other side wanting to control my land through legislative actions. One side I can keep at bay the other side has the law thus one County (West of the Cascades) dictates for the whole State. My view is not right or wrong it's just a precautionary measure. When I settled and built here it wasn't like this.

Hmmmm
1 The enemy of your enemy is your friend
2 Keep your friends close and your enemies closer still
Think about it and if 1 & 2 wont work
3 move to Montana or Idaho.

 

[Gazrok]

Having grown up all over, and around many different cultures, I've got no beef with any of 'em, but I do think it's natural that folks seek those similar to themselves to live around. That's just common sense. That all said, I don't think there is any active "takeover" plan...it's just a matter of numbers. Minorities tend to have more and more offspring...so it's just simple math. Eventually, We white folks will be the minority. Like it or not. Don't really care either way, as I'm too busy just handling me and mine....lol.