sorry you cant make it mike..especilly seeing the 2 of you could prove to be a good asset to all of us..
been thinking
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Thank you Jim maybe some day I will be able to afford a visit to your wonderful country and hopefully meet some of you good people
besides what i'll be bringing for my self..is there any thing i can bring along to contribute to what we have on hand n all?
oooops wrong topic for that one..
oooops wrong topic for that one..
Chick, I'll send y'all something in the mail.
Mike, I wish there was some way that y'all could make it over, we'd love to meet up with you.
Mike, I wish there was some way that y'all could make it over, we'd love to meet up with you.
Jim, we'll get a thread started on that here shortly. I need a head count on people first.
ok sounds great to me and i'll need the exact address of where we're be located when the location is decided.that way i can program it into my gps..dont wanna get lost on the way there..
and i'll need the exact address of where we're be located when the location is decided.that way i can program it into my gps..dont wanna get lost on the way there.. 
Hell, I don't even know where we're going yet! I know we want a large camp ground, I want a lake to swim in, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would love a flushing toilet and a hot shower. I damn skippy don't want fire ants crawling up my butt while I'm trying to sleep. We want purty, right?
las i knew we all want that..lol
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I will have all 4 of my boys along with their wives and both my husband and mine mothers. We will also have one very close friend, who has taught me alot of being self-reliant. We can make our own community on our land. I will not take in any others unless they can bring something to the table. I am not shy and will evict if need be, even if it is at gun point.
glad to hear that all yall will be there danil...more the merryer
I have been costing out flights and accommodation and food and it is just not feasible for me n my good lady to come visit with you all Gonna cost me about 6000 dollars for a weeks vacation
DAAAAAAAANG!!! im sure you can find somptin else to spend 6000 dollars on..
You can buy me a multi tool. LOL, Look you would be 5940.00 ahead !
Ok so you take may, june, and july off from work. Spend this month collecting plastic milk jugs and tons of duct tape.
Tape all of the milk jugs together to form a raft.
Get a BIG stick and an old bed sheet or two to use for a sail.
You'll need a GPS and extra batteries.
Fishing lines and hooks.
Small flashlight.
Solar still for water.
Hope you find this helpful.
My Grand Daddy used to say: Everywhere is walking distance. If you have the time.
PS: this is a joke. Sorry to hear you probably won't make the meet this year.
Dang Mike. Heck, I bet we could've found a tent and all that stuff you'd need as well as making sure y'all ate, but believe me I understand the cost thing. I'm not sure if this campground has wifi or not, if it does, maybe we can set up some sort of video link so you can be with us remotely? I have no clue how that stuff works, but I'm sure someone going will know how to make it all work.
Next year, you just get here, I think we can take care of the rest. That's what family's for, isn't it?
Next year, you just get here, I think we can take care of the rest. That's what family's for, isn't it?
Hey guys , it really does feel like family, thanks from my heart for your concern.i will do my best to get to next years event .
yeah if the camping area has wifi,and someone has a laptop with a video camra that plugs into a usb port.and a mic.then all that needs to be figured out,is how to go live with it.or just record it then post it here in the forum..only way i know we can go live is through messenger..but then limited amount of ppl can watch at any given time..
Mike I'm dumb as dirt. I can't hook up anything. But I really hate you can't make it .
ustream. you can stream video and watch it live on computer or mobile devices. but as far as im concerned, you can only see what is going on and not really be seen.
Is it like that Skype thing. If it is it makes me think I'm at a disco jamming on some beegees
Tbh i was gonna vote hell ya, but after reading some posts, id kinda be in the middle.
Id say yes cuz of the added protection, resources, help, lack of lonelyness of not only myself, but my family.
But on the other hand, i am an alpha male that very much has alpha male syndrome and i definitly cant deal with ppl barken orders at me, let alone my family. one of the reasons i never joined the military lol, i know id spend time in the brig for kicken the **** outta a staff sgt.
I agree there would have to be some set of common rules that everyone would have to follow.
Tbh i wouldnt be so sure how it would workout pre-shtf.
Id say yes cuz of the added protection, resources, help, lack of lonelyness of not only myself, but my family.
But on the other hand, i am an alpha male that very much has alpha male syndrome and i definitly cant deal with ppl barken orders at me, let alone my family. one of the reasons i never joined the military lol, i know id spend time in the brig for kicken the **** outta a staff sgt.
I agree there would have to be some set of common rules that everyone would have to follow.
Tbh i wouldnt be so sure how it would workout pre-shtf.
I would LOVE to depending on where etc.
Also, as long as each family was pretty much independent and mostly had each other for company more that dependence.
Heck, my whole goal is independence before anything even hits a fan!
Also, as long as each family was pretty much independent and mostly had each other for company more that dependence.
Heck, my whole goal is independence before anything even hits a fan!
Well isn't that what you do when you live, contribute to a community?
As far as a planned communities. I would but generally only with other libertarians. I think for a good planned community you need to have the same fundamental values, as it is sort of a commune. Mennonite history is a good example of planned communities, something old order mennonites, and Amish often times engage in. Of course "a state" owning all property, an I think aside from Texas its not easy to find psuedo allodial title these days, so there is always the risk of governmental control, branding as hostile compounds etc..
Of course it would basically be moving. In regard to most people here you are probably thinking in terms of America, and I can't travel to the US without US attorney general (perhaps office) permission, and further, that is unlikely. IMO I'd go for land in central or south america. I know an absolutely awsome and beautiful place about 20km from Liberia Costa Rica I think would be great. Its in the hills beautiful views abundant plantlife, lots of growing potentials, great year round weather... water might be a challenge. Of course there are cheaper Latin American countries if you can mitigate the governmental issues. Or why not Jamestown II, bad joke.
The other option is inputs into a boat or flotilla. Boat Angel on ebay sold a lot of very low cost boats that could accumulate into very low price structures if properly managed. However the lowest costs would likely come from an eco village of sorts. I'm guessing most people are thinking somewhere in the US. I'm all over beach side, there are massive unpopulated areas on the pacific coast of Mexico also that have beach access, sea life, materials and are fairly close to civilization.
The libertarian thing is essential as it removes the potential of cult controls that are exhibited in commune society. If everyone is equal in an egalitarian society, and everyone owns their own property, equipment etc.. with control over it it stays within the mainstream cult property value. If people are responsible for themselves then there you go. Of course people can cooperate but there is no obligation to, if everyone maintains them-self any surplus is surplus.
Mennonite Society, such as Bees are a good example of how group tasks or emergency tasks can be done.
Mennonites saw Bees as a chance to get together and socialize, they did them because it was fun, work is not work if it is play. Of course there are social issues too; however, more or less its all what people want from it.
I think most Americans will feel at home in America because they would presumably maintain their rights, while if in a foreign country they would be subjected and have limited rights.
Yeah planned communities are great though. I think people are much happier in a stable environment amongst people who share their values.
Check this out though
http://disinfo.com/2013/01/glenn-beck-planning-2-billion-libertarian-commune-in-texas/
not sure what it is about texas,
http://communitybuzz.ic.org/2008/04/24/ron-paul-supporters-to-form-libertarian-community/
I think the cheapest and easiest way to do this is to get land and roll in used RV's.
It would actually be fairly cheap to build a community provided water were available.
Of course creating an economy that connects with the global economy requires goods or services, or a means of acquiring goods.
People collect scrap in some central and south american countries. In the north recycling programs for everything imaginable are being formed under EPA type legislation.
However you'd be suprised how much reusable stuff people throw out, electronics, metals, plastics, etc.. all of it reusable, which is suppose to come before recycling.
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle
Of course plenty of people have income streams.
None the less the economic maxim is there, you must supply in order to be eligible for your needs and demands, although nature provides most everything we as humans need, humans like luxury thus industry exists.
Its easy to build a community but maintaining it requires resource or the willingness to go back to basics or to live off what is free.
There are plenty of books on that.
Resources are global commodities, it actually could require a lot of planning. But it would be remarkably easy should people have sufficient local resources or an income stream.
As far as a planned communities. I would but generally only with other libertarians. I think for a good planned community you need to have the same fundamental values, as it is sort of a commune. Mennonite history is a good example of planned communities, something old order mennonites, and Amish often times engage in. Of course "a state" owning all property, an I think aside from Texas its not easy to find psuedo allodial title these days, so there is always the risk of governmental control, branding as hostile compounds etc..
Of course it would basically be moving. In regard to most people here you are probably thinking in terms of America, and I can't travel to the US without US attorney general (perhaps office) permission, and further, that is unlikely. IMO I'd go for land in central or south america. I know an absolutely awsome and beautiful place about 20km from Liberia Costa Rica I think would be great. Its in the hills beautiful views abundant plantlife, lots of growing potentials, great year round weather... water might be a challenge. Of course there are cheaper Latin American countries if you can mitigate the governmental issues. Or why not Jamestown II, bad joke.
The other option is inputs into a boat or flotilla. Boat Angel on ebay sold a lot of very low cost boats that could accumulate into very low price structures if properly managed. However the lowest costs would likely come from an eco village of sorts. I'm guessing most people are thinking somewhere in the US. I'm all over beach side, there are massive unpopulated areas on the pacific coast of Mexico also that have beach access, sea life, materials and are fairly close to civilization.
The libertarian thing is essential as it removes the potential of cult controls that are exhibited in commune society. If everyone is equal in an egalitarian society, and everyone owns their own property, equipment etc.. with control over it it stays within the mainstream cult property value. If people are responsible for themselves then there you go. Of course people can cooperate but there is no obligation to, if everyone maintains them-self any surplus is surplus.
Mennonite Society, such as Bees are a good example of how group tasks or emergency tasks can be done.
Mennonites saw Bees as a chance to get together and socialize, they did them because it was fun, work is not work if it is play. Of course there are social issues too; however, more or less its all what people want from it.
I think most Americans will feel at home in America because they would presumably maintain their rights, while if in a foreign country they would be subjected and have limited rights.
Yeah planned communities are great though. I think people are much happier in a stable environment amongst people who share their values.
Check this out though
http://disinfo.com/2013/01/glenn-beck-planning-2-billion-libertarian-commune-in-texas/
not sure what it is about texas,
http://communitybuzz.ic.org/2008/04/24/ron-paul-supporters-to-form-libertarian-community/
I think the cheapest and easiest way to do this is to get land and roll in used RV's.
It would actually be fairly cheap to build a community provided water were available.
Of course creating an economy that connects with the global economy requires goods or services, or a means of acquiring goods.
People collect scrap in some central and south american countries. In the north recycling programs for everything imaginable are being formed under EPA type legislation.
However you'd be suprised how much reusable stuff people throw out, electronics, metals, plastics, etc.. all of it reusable, which is suppose to come before recycling.
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle
Of course plenty of people have income streams.
None the less the economic maxim is there, you must supply in order to be eligible for your needs and demands, although nature provides most everything we as humans need, humans like luxury thus industry exists.
Its easy to build a community but maintaining it requires resource or the willingness to go back to basics or to live off what is free.
There are plenty of books on that.
Resources are global commodities, it actually could require a lot of planning. But it would be remarkably easy should people have sufficient local resources or an income stream.
http://www.abandonia.com/games/393I have no idea what sim city is, so just going to say that it's going to be hell of a lot different than a game if you are dealing with folks on your own property. Can't just squash them with a car, sic a zombie on them, or whatever you do in sim city to get rid of people... well I guess you could now that I think about it.
Thanks William for the link.
You can download the game if the site premise is legal too, it works on programs such as dosbox.
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