Blackout in San Francisco

[lonewolf]

You're right, I don't know how I've managed to survive a life living in the slums of the world. Never once robbed or shot...I must have someone looking over me.

no you were just lucky. lots of people haven't been so fortunate.

 

[Mountain trapper]

You make some valid & intelligent points however this debate sparked from the statement made by artic that MOST CITIES ARE LIVING IN THIRD WORLD CONDITIONS.

This statement contradicts all logic. I have spent more than a month (on more than one occasion) living in Tokyo, Paris, New York as well as a handful of small towns in rural USA. I've grown up in an upper class suburb of Chicago. I have NEVER felt any more safe than I have in major cities.

With that being said that doesn't mean that there aren't beautiful communities in the country that are also safe to live. That also doesn't mean that there arent isolated slums in major cities. That is irrelevant. This is about a statement that was made and the over all negative propaganda being spewed from a few members of this forum.

Most of which don't seem to read prior to chiming in with there opinion.

If you're going to quote me at least get it right. I said; "Many parts of the big cities are already third world". That's just stating a fact, not an opinion. Get a life.

 

[DrHenley]

Look at the bright side. In Chicago communities like West Englewood, home ownership is almost within anyone's reach! Looks like you could make a killing flipping home in West Englewood. Take this lovely 5 bedroom multi-family home which is for sale for only $24,000. The property value is estimated at $122,856!

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...5,-87.636867,41.754089,-87.710681_rect/13_zm/

I dunno, maybe because West Englewood (population 35,000, area 3.15 square miles) had 70 violent crimes (including 4 homicides) reported in the 30 day period March 8th through April 7th, plus 92 property crimes and 113 "quality of life crimes" (narcotics, prostitution, etc.)

That's what? 1.27 homicides per square mile in one month? 22.6 violent crimes and 29.2 property crimes per square mile.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/community/west-englewood

What a lovely neighborhood!

 

[Mountain trapper]

Look at the bright side. In Chicago communities like West Englewood, home ownership is almost within anyone's reach! Looks like you could make a killing flipping home in West Englewood. Take this lovely 5 bedroom multi-family home which is for sale for only $24,000. The property value is estimated at $122,856!

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...5,-87.636867,41.754089,-87.710681_rect/13_zm/

I dunno, maybe because West Englewood (population 35,000, area 3.15 square miles) had 70 violent crimes (including 4 homicides) reported in the 30 day period March 8th through April 7th, plus 92 property crimes and 113 "quality of life crimes" (narcotics, prostitution, etc.)

That's what? 1.27 homicides per square mile in one month? 22.6 violent crimes and 29.2 property crimes per square mile.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/community/west-englewood

What a lovely neighborhood!

Sounds kind of third worldish to me.

 

[toexist]

Look at the bright side. In Chicago communities like West Englewood, home ownership is almost within anyone's reach! Looks like you could make a killing flipping home in West Englewood. Take this lovely 5 bedroom multi-family home which is for sale for only $24,000. The property value is estimated at $122,856!

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...5,-87.636867,41.754089,-87.710681_rect/13_zm/

I dunno, maybe because West Englewood (population 35,000, area 3.15 square miles) had 70 violent crimes (including 4 homicides) reported in the 30 day period March 8th through April 7th, plus 92 property crimes and 113 "quality of life crimes" (narcotics, prostitution, etc.)

That's what? 1.27 homicides per square mile in one month? 22.6 violent crimes and 29.2 property crimes per square mile.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/community/west-englewood

What a lovely neighborhood!

Yea so you're actually going to debate real estate costs. This should be fun.

I love how you've managed to look up real estate in the shittiest neighborhood in the entire city of Chicago.

Most residents of Chicago never set foot anywhere near Englewood and have no reason to.

Now my turn...

I encourage you all to share the names of the towns which you live. I have no problem comparing.

 

[toexist]

Sounds kind of third worldish to me.

Where do you live Artic? Since your quick to voice your opinion on what is regarded as one of the greatest cities around the world....I'd love to hear about what crap hole you reside. Let's compare apples shall we.

You don't even have the balls to do that.

 

[toexist]

Look at the bright side. In Chicago communities like West Englewood, home ownership is almost within anyone's reach! Looks like you could make a killing flipping home in West Englewood. Take this lovely 5 bedroom multi-family home which is for sale for only $24,000. The property value is estimated at $122,856!

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...5,-87.636867,41.754089,-87.710681_rect/13_zm/

I dunno, maybe because West Englewood (population 35,000, area 3.15 square miles) had 70 violent crimes (including 4 homicides) reported in the 30 day period March 8th through April 7th, plus 92 property crimes and 113 "quality of life crimes" (narcotics, prostitution, etc.)

That's what? 1.27 homicides per square mile in one month? 22.6 violent crimes and 29.2 property crimes per square mile.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/community/west-englewood

What a lovely neighborhood!

Try these communities on for size...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6776-N-Laporte-Ave-Lincolnwood-IL-60712/3556016_zpid/

Or...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2355-Linden-Ave-Highland-Park-IL-60035/4905165_zpid/

Or...


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/900-Edgemere-Ct-Evanston-IL-60202/3566120_zpid/

Or...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/925-Morrison-Ln-Northbrook-IL-60062/3329233_zpid/

Or...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/411-Lakeside-Ter-Glencoe-IL-60022/3358646_zpid/

And on and on and on...

In some of these communities are homes that cost over 10 million dollars. These are all suburbs to which are around which I grew up. Most residents of Chicago don't even know where Englewood is.

 

[toexist]

Funny for the price of a below average condo in Chicago I can purchase a very large & luxurious 50 acre farm house in most towns of rural America. Yet some of you feel the need to attack the place where other people live without having the decency of listing the general location of which you reside.

 

[toexist]

Try these communities on for size...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6776-N-Laporte-Ave-Lincolnwood-IL-60712/3556016_zpid/

Or...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2355-Linden-Ave-Highland-Park-IL-60035/4905165_zpid/

Or...


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/900-Edgemere-Ct-Evanston-IL-60202/3566120_zpid/

Or...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/925-Morrison-Ln-Northbrook-IL-60062/3329233_zpid/

Or...

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/411-Lakeside-Ter-Glencoe-IL-60022/3358646_zpid/

And on and on and on...

In some of these communities are homes that cost over 10 million dollars. These are all suburbs to which are around which I grew up. Most residents of Chicago don't even know where Englewood is.

Funny in Columbus,Georgia I found houses for $5,000. This would be bad enough if this were the worst or uncommon but more than half of the 20 pages of listenings for properties in Columbus Georgia don't even have a price because they're being FORECLOSED UPON.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1622-14th-Ave-Columbus-GA-31901/76544208_zpid/

Yea and you're going to call Chicago a sh#thole...

https://www.zillow.com/homes/Columbus-GA_rb/?fromHomePage=true

I guess not too many people want to live in Columbus, GA.

 

[lonewolf]

Funny for the price of a below average condo in Chicago I can purchase a very large & luxurious 50 acre farm house in most towns of rural America. Yet some of you feel the need to attack the place where other people live without having the decency of listing the general location of which you reside.

you obviously have no concept of OPSEC. nobody is going to tell you where they live.

 

[toexist]

If you're not going to list the town/city to which u reside then don't make ridiculous baseless statements about where others do.

If you choose to debate and insult then let's compare communities. Other wise you can stick ur opinions were the sun don't shine. I already got Columbus,GA out the way.

 

[lonewolf]

If you're not going to list the town/city to which u reside then don't make ridiculous baseless statements about where others do.

If you choose to debate and insult then let's compare communities. Other wise you can stick ur opinions were the sun don't shine. I already got Columbus,GA out the way.

i'm not making baseless statements, no prepper worth his salt is going to tell you where they live, they don't want people turning up on their doorstep when the world goes to hell in a handcart, I wouldn't want you turning up on my doorstep, no chance of that i'm not even in the same country.

 

[DrHenley]

Most residents of Chicago don't even know where Englewood is.

That's pretty much what I figured. "Out of sight out of mind" If you don't look at it, you can pretend it doesn't exist.

BTW, the city I live in had 2 homicides in the same period. The whole city.

 

[lonewolf]

we haven't had any crime where I live for 4 or 5 years!!

 

[toexist]

That's pretty much what I figured. "Out of sight out of mind" If you don't look at it, you can pretend it doesn't exist.

BTW, the city I live in had 2 homicides in the same period. The whole city.

Yea because half of your community are losing their homes.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/Columbus-GA_rb/?fromHomePage=true

 

[lonewolf]

can we get back to the blackout?
one-upmanship about ones property value is very boring and strictly for the sheeple.

 

[DrHenley]

Toexist, what brought this up was that arcticdude said:

Many parts of the big cities are already third world.

Which you distorted into:

this debate sparked from the statement made by artic that MOST CITIES ARE LIVING IN THIRD WORLD CONDITIONS.

Now you can argue what constitutes "many" but you can't argue the fact that there are some bad places in big cities. West Englewood being one of the worst of them.

 

[toexist]

Toexist, what brought this up was that arcticdude said:



Which you distorted into:



Now you can argue what constitutes "many" but you can't argue the fact that there are some bad places in big cities. West Englewood being one of the worst of them.

I have never disputed that there arent bad areas in major cities, particularly near were I live. These are isolated pockets however that don't represent the majority of the city.

Most people I grew up with couldn't even point out Englewood on the map. Isolated pockets of the city like Englewood consist of the poorest of the poor. Chicago is a community of neighborhoods. You can live your entire life in Chicago and or Chicagoland suburb and never once even meet a person from Englewood.

Unfortunately if someone from Englewood were to drive anywhere near one of the suburbs I've listed earlier...they would be pulled over and questioned by local LEO immediately.

As it relates to third world cities...I don't know of any such places in the United States of America. Some people here seem to have NEVER left the town they live in let alone the country.

Have any of you ever visited a third world country? I have and if u think some impoverished isolated pocket in an American city is the least bit similar...you don't know what the frick ur talking about.

 

[lonewolf]

cant we draw a line under this pissing contest and move on?
what your house is worth wont mean anything post SHTF and will be irrelevant when the starving masses are banging on your doors.
i'm orf, i'll speak to you lot tomorrow.

 

[jontte]

boys,enough is enough,you can send pics of your dongs and compare the size if you wanna with Private pm's??
so let's keep this civil and talk HOW to manage a black out,what gizmos we have to make it managable (no power),shall we?? pretty please

and if I did offend someone,sry for it,but in fact we don't have time for a pissing contest..

 

[user 6493]

I lived on the outskirts of Jacksonville Florida for over 20 years,,,lots of places to eat tons of things to do several electric companys to chose from and every telephone company you can name was there but I knew it was a bad place to be if for no other reason Hurricanes were always a threat every year and the clock was ticking,,everyone has a choice to make where do you want to make your last stand,I chose the country life I felt it was my best option,,,MY BEST OPTION,,,,,not anyone elses just mine

make your own choice but don't give me a rash of crap because I don't think the way you do

 

[user 6493]

...

 

[jontte]

opsec or not,I've posted earlier what town I live in, looks nice in the summer time
but still,if I get the chance I do relocate my sorry butt country side..but the sea will be close.....

 

[toexist]

I lived on the outskirts of Jacksonville Florida for over 20 years,,,lots of places to eat tons of things to do several electric companys to chose from and every telephone company you can name was there but I knew it was a bad place to be if for no other reason Hurricanes were always a threat every year and the clock was ticking,,everyone has a choice to make where do you want to make your last stand,I chose the country life I felt it was my best option,,,MY BEST OPTION,,,,,not anyone elses just mine

make your own choice but don't give me a rash of crap because I don't think the way you do

Grayghost, I don't care were anyone chooses to live. Chicago is comprised of people whom originated from all over.

This was between me and arctic whom I don't know but based on his writings don't think I like too much.

He consistently makes baseless claims and statements that are false and misleading people all the while not revealing any general information about himself.

I can tell that most of what he claims to have done or have seen is a lie and that's fine. But I'm not going to sit quiet when I know he is making statements that are directed towards me.

The people Ive known whom have traveled as much as he claims to have are usually much more open minded. Traveling expands your horizons. Most well traveled people are far more open minded than most. I'm personally a different person because of my travels.

I would never insult another man's home but don't insult mine and expect me to stay quiet.

 

[user 6493]

Grayghost, I don't care were anyone chooses to live. Chicago is comprised of people whom originated from all over.

This was between me and arctic whom I don't know but based on his writings don't think I like too much.

He consistently makes baseless claims and statements that are false and misleading people all the while not revealing any general information about himself.

I can tell that most of what he claims to have done or have seen is a lie and that's fine. But I'm not going to sit quiet when I know he is making statements that are directed towards me.

The people Ive known whom have traveled as much as he claims to have are usually much more open minded. Traveling expands your horizons. Most well traveled people are far more open minded than most.

this is what ticks me off,,,you can think what you want but unless you know for a absolute fact you should say nothing,,,,,and I have seen all the USA been places I wish I have never been,you will rarely hear me say anything about it,and I am anything but open minded,,I am a recluse I prefer the company of a dog over most people,and my trust level for people is very low these days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so now am I lying about this or telling the truth,how can you tell

 

[user 6493]

toexit,,we should let this lie,I'm going to

 

[toexist]

this is what ticks me off,,,you can think what you want but unless you know for a absolute fact you should say nothing,,,,,and I have seen all the USA been places I wish I have never been,you will rarely hear me say anything about it,and I am anything but open minded,,I am a recluse I prefer the company of a dog over most people,and my trust level for people is very low these days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so now am I lying about this or telling the truth,how can you tell

Generally the more one steps outside his box the less paranoid and critical of others one becomes. This is based on my life experiences and what I've seen. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptions...just not all that common.

Imagine for instance only eating one type of food your entire life...say beef stew. Then one day you get to try lasagna.

Now you hear one of your friends whom you know has only eaten beef stew claiming beef stew is the best. You know a different taste that he does not. Regardless of whether or not you feel beef stew is the best...the more dishes you try...the less critical you become of tastes that are different from your own.

 

[user 6493]

.........................................I yield the floor.............................................

 

[toexist]

.........................................I yield the floor.............................................

It doesn't matter, you have your reasons for living where you live and I do mine. There is no place like home...regardless of where home is.

 

[Brent S]

I saw something on the other thread here that went south that caught my attention. "Don't feed the trolls". I'm realitively naive with Internet forums, and really am not interested in becoming an expert on them, but these two threads made me pause. Are we children on a playground here? If someone is posting something that is offensive, confrontational, or just plain stupid, responding to it just feeds the trolls.