Dealing with People who are "ENRAGED"

[Hooch]

Even though I know this thread is troll-bait, there are 2 things that haven't been mentioned:
1. Rack the slide on your weapon.
That "Cling-Clang" speaks the same in every language . You may be amazed how fast things will de-escalate when they hear that sound. This is well documented in the past. I keep all of my weapons with 'empty chambers'.
2. Fire rounds into the ground.
Any guy that is still there after having dirt blasted up in front of his shoes, wants to die.

Just curious, why do you think the thread is troll bait?

 

[Hooch]

I think this thread brings up an interesting perspective and warrants a thoughtful conversation.

 

[FarmOR]

Agree. As a middle rooster who grew up in a violent mill town with drunk Cowboys and discontent native Americans, I had to learn and apply the art of peace in greater portion than the art of war.

 

[Weedygarden]

Agree. As a middle rooster who grew up in a violent mill town with drunk Cowboys and discontent native Americans, I had to learn and apply the art of peace in greater portion than the art of war.

No doubt, in those situations, like the inner city, you have to learn how to live with and around angry people.

 

[Hooch]

Agree. As a middle rooster who grew up in a violent mill town with drunk Cowboys and discontent native Americans, I had to learn and apply the art of peace in greater portion than the art of war.

I believe it is important to run the what if situations and develope the red lines for employing action.
That said..if someone has no experience dealing with violent or/and mentally unstable people , deesclating situations , I imagine that could be unnerving to find oneself in that situation. That could definitely breed some discord with ones spirit and confidence.
I am grateful for the experiences and education I've had gained as it has prepared me better. I believe before my experiences working in a jail, I would tend to deesclate situations and my ways were softer as is my nature.
I believe as a female , i needed some schooling and education in that arena to unprogram myself some. Supervising both county and state inmates housed in our jail I had many opportunities over the years to understand many issues. Overall it was very interesting and I'm glad I had that opportunity to improve myself and learn.
I'm always baffled by folks who think those who are violent are misunderstood..they just need love or support or jesus.
No..they made and continue to make bad choices. The consequences of their choices are on them...period.
I guess mentality unstable folks need to be handled with extra caution but regardless its definitely a time to have a plan and not beat oneself up for choices we might be forced to make.

 

[Frodo]

Knowing the laws of encounter in your area is a huge plus but let’s sit that aside for a moment and talk about “after the shot”
So, you feared for your life and had to protect your family and yourself
First, call an ambulance he may be a pos but he is still a human refrain from kicking him for forcing you you to
shoot him
Second, call your lawyer if you have one advise him to meet you at the lock have him call your wife
Third call the police place the gun on the ground at your feet and stay on the phone with 911 InTILL the phone is removed from your hand by an officer
Why? 911 is recording everything if any mistakes are made you have evidence of that mistake, if you have a phone, turn it on video with the lense sticking out of your shirt pocket
Do as you are told and only what you are told . You may disagree but you can hammer that nail at a different venue
State your name and nothing else make no statement do not say you were in fear of your life,?keep yur damn mouth shut and let a lawyer speak for you you are not going home you arr going to the station to talk to detectives

Edited for clarity the ambulance operator is going to ask you questons
Only say a person has been shot at address ,,,,,,,,, nothing more
Same with 911. Give zero details only your name this sounds uncooperative but is actually not. At this stressful time things you say can be taken out of context and used against you
You are required to ID yourself and that is all that is required
Not an address not your age, not your social security number

 

[Magus]

Good points by 'The Supe' and Frodo! One reason why pump shotguns are so popular for home defense is that when ya jack a shell, that distinctive noise is recognized by just about everyone, and perps in particular... once they know you're ready to blast 'em, that tends to settle 'em down. My brother Pete and friend Jon both used shotguns to confront intruders who had broken into their separate homes in Coronado: in the first incident, the perp ran off (but my friend & I caught him shortly thereafter when we rolled up a minute later), and in the second incident, Jon directed the guy down to the ground where the cops cuffed him moments later. So that distinctive pump action is one way to send a message that you're prepared to defend yourself. Lever carbines make distinctive noise too, easily recognizable...

And Frodo brought up an excellent point: not all states have a "stand your ground" law like Arizona (one reason why I miss that state), and the laws can also be funny about HOW you went about defending yourself. In Kalifornia, you can be charged for blasting some fool in your yard---the perp has to be in your home before you can "legally" blast him. In the past, I heard folks joke about dragging the perp into your home afterward, but that course of action may not bear further investigation. Best to know the laws in your state, so you don't find yourself under arrest and/or indictment even though you were simply trying to defend your home & yourself. Remember, in that seaside ghetto known as the Socialist Republik of Kalimexifornia, the laws are all in favor of the perp, not you, the homeowner with a weapon for defense.

P.S. They're always looking for new "inmate" candidates for their huge jailhouse funding scam in that seaside dump.

The sound of an AK-47 being cycled has an identical effect and a very similar sound.

 

[Sourdough]

Knowing the laws of encounter in your area is a huge plus but let’s sit that aside for a moment and talk about “after the shot”
So, you feared for your life and had to protect your family and yourself
First, call an ambulance he may be a pos but he is still a human refrain from kicking him for forcing you you to
shoot him
Second, call your lawyer if you have one advise him to meet you at the lock have him call your wife
Third call the police place the gun on the ground at your feet and stay on the phone with 911 InTILL the phone is removed from your hand by an officer
Why? 911 is recording everything if any mistakes are made you have evidence of that mistake, if you have a phone, turn it on video with the lense sticking out of your shirt pocket
Do as you are told and only what you are told . You may disagree but you can hammer that nail at a different venue
State your name and nothing else make no statement do not say you were in fear of your life,?keep yur damn mouth shut and let a lawyer speak for you you are not going home you arr going to the station to talk to detectives

Edited for clarity the ambulance operator is going to ask you questons
Only say a person has been shot at address ,,,,,,,,, nothing more
Same with 911. Give zero details only your name this sounds uncooperative but is actually not. At this stressful time things you say can be taken out of context and used against you
You are required to ID yourself and that is all that is required
Not an address not your age, not your social security number

Great and useful advice for yesterday & today. My inquire is about SHTF, four months after 14,6% of the population has starved to death. How best do I mitigate my risk exposure.....???

 

[Frodo]

My wife saw this and asked why not give your address? What harm e we I’ll that do?
Fifteen minutes after you give your address a patrol car is going to be in your driveway and your house will be searched
Do you have guns and ammo?
Not anymore
Force them to geT a warrant and have your guns moved before they show up to steal your stuff
A warrant says in writing what they are looking to remove read the warrant and do not allow anything that is not onit to be removed

 

[Frodo]

Great and useful advice for yesterday & today. My inquire is about SHTF, four months after 14,6% of the population has starved to death. How best do I mitigate my risk exposure.....???

No law? Bury him deep so the yard does not stink

Actually that is a legit question that I have thought about. My answer is depends
Depends on the people in your area . Are they trying to bring back a sembalance of law/government? Or is the area a cowboy town where anything goes?
Those answers in my mind will dictate how I would deal with a fool in my yard
If no one cares and no one is bringing law and order to your area, better kill him before he kills you
If a group is trying to bring back civialstion then work with them to that end goal Re-evaluate as you see fit
Maybe you could run for intern sheriff

 

[Sourdough]

My answer is depends
Depends on the people in your area . Are they trying to bring back a sembalance of law/government? Or is the area a cowboy town where anything goes?

If you live far enough away, you don't know what is what with the world, or with-in 150 miles of you.

 

[Frodo]

True, but does the world post shhtf on really matter at 150 miles out?
Not being arguementave, but isn’t your worry at that juncture only about survival in the community you are in?

You do bring up a third dimension to my thinking I thank you for that

 

[Sourdough]

I get your point. When the power goes out here the phone and internet systems also vanish. This following is hard to grasp, I know this as it gut punches me every time it happens. One would think I would have learned.

When the power goes out, I "TRULY" know 100% of ZERO. I have no knowledge of anything happening till power is restored. I instantly wonder is the problem local, regional, statewide, nationwide, worldwide. I only know my power is out. It could even be as simple as the line from the utility pole to my service meter is compromised.

Without this internet connection I know zero outside of my cabin and property.....ZERO. Sadly, and shamefully I always default to fear and danger, till I know otherwise.

 

[Frodo]

sourdough you are making me think
Ok so shtf no power, no fuel, no transportation

Back in the day before cars you walk or ride a horse in a shtf I figure bicycles will be available. So because of a bike 150 miles is as close to me as a 3???? Day journey. No 3 by foot 2 by bike or horse
So the question is now, does what is happening 2/3 days away have a noticeable effect on you and yours
we need some one smarter than me to figure that out
I want to say it could if the people 150 out wanted it to effect you but no if they did not
Hummmm. we are back at the human aspect of the equation and that is something you can not predict nor control in a free man.

 

[Sourdough]

In her book, which would be of more interest to a female reader, Moore does a fairly good job of communicating life cut off from human contact.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k="Cold+ha...,+warm+heart+,stripbooks,903&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Ms. Shaver, with her husband and children, spent ten years in the Alaskan bush where they lived a simple but satisfying lifestyle with all the attendant challenges and adventures. She and her family lived in the Interior of Alaska where winter temperatures drop as low as -60 degrees or more and stay there for weeks on end. The summers are three months long, and everything must be done during that short season to prepare for the following winter. She tells of encounters with bears, surviving spring floods, and setting her husband's broken leg while looking at a first-aid book. Her desire to learn the skills of bush life led her to tan moose hides, catch fish in nets, snare rabbits for dinner, and much more, most of which was learned through trial and error.

The average contact with others was about every three months when a friend might fly out to visit and maybe bring mail. Loneliness was never a problem, says the author, but it was exciting to see someone after a long stretch of isolation.

Growing up near Boston, Massachusetts, hardly prepared Ms. Shaver for such a rough and primitive life, but her love of nature and her interest in learning all she could about this back-to-basics way of life come through in the pages of her book. She tells her story just as it happened and includes journal entries she made at the time.

 

[The Lazy L]

1. Rack the slide on your weapon.
…I keep all of my weapons with 'empty chambers'.
2. Fire rounds into the ground.
Any guy that is still there after having dirt blasted up in front of his shoes, wants to die.

I respectfully disagree with both.

 

[Frodo]

Lol. Well, I have gone up to 3 maths right here not talking to anyone except my spouse. I like it, I do not really fit in with society the people I see tend to piss me off by their actions and lies. Man it seems to me that folks would rather tell a lie then tell the truth. I am proud to say I tell the truth if you do not want be told you stink then do o not ask

 

[Frodo]

Me also, If I pull my weapon someone is getting shot, brandishing is a serious charge

 

[Supervisor42]

True, but does the world post shhtf on really matter at 150 miles out?
Not being arguementave, but isn’t your worry at that juncture only about survival in the community you are in?

Bingo.
If anyone in this forum doesn't have to worry about this topic, it is the OP.
He tossed the topic out here just to watch the hair-pulling take place...

I respectfully disagree with both.

...'The bait' has a bitter taste .

 

[elkhound]

one thing about power going out if you have a battery powered radio/s you can always tune in to hear if the world has gone full blown shtf or partial etc. battery powered or even generator powered but battery is quiet. just a couple of solar panels and battery or storage of duracells or rechargeable can get info to you really easy and fast.

i am sure tuning into trapline chatter or what ever its called daily will get you info you need. not details mind you but if world goes boom you will know it.

frodo mentioned miles from home in a shtf. most will live a 3-5 mile life in shtf or decline in fossil fuels. or in case of rationing maybe farther out but limited in number of times.

 

[zoomzoom]

When the power goes out here the phone and internet systems also vanish.

I can see your internet going down as the cable modem is AC powered.
If you have a phone modem through the cable company for a land line, they SHOULD have a battery backup. Around here, it's a requirement as part of 911 services.

 

[Wingnut]

Ah, some more good points to address here... during the 'Big Blackout' in San Diego in 2011, my small transistor radio was one good way to glean info, as many radio & TV news stations have backup generators, same way hospitals do. Oddly enough, my old iPad also picked up Channel 10, so we were able to learn more about what was going on during the blackout. Not sure how the iPad would've fared in the boondocks. Otherwise, it was merely a field exercise in having the right preps & camping gear (propane stove, for example). We weathered the blackout pretty well, it was more of a nuisance than an emergency, but things would certainly be different in a SHTF situation.

I've heard that "satellite phones" perform well in emergencies, but I have no proof of that myself, as I'm on an ancient flip-phone and I rely upon myself & my field experience to weather any situation. It's like going remote camping in the desert: you bring everything you need, and if you get stuck somewhere in a rut or deep sand, you grab the E-tool and extricate yourself. A winch if you have one, those are nice for pulling your vehicle out of bad situations. Heavy-duty webbing straps (like the kind used for towing) are also good to have aboard your rig. Like I told all my nieces & nephews: if you can't extricate yourself from any situation in the wilderness, you don't belong out there!

As for the discussion about what to do after a home defense shooting, well, if I were in the boondocks and the blasted perp was clearly a meth head or inked-up gangbanger, I wouldn't even call the authorities, I'd drag that fool out to the high desert and let the buzzards & varmints do the rest. If this were to happen in a SHTF situation, I'd drag him far enough downwind to not bother me with the stink, or maybe cave a dirt berm or bluff on top of him for the time being, I wouldn't want to leave my 'castle' which I had prepared to defend in such situations. I'd wanna stay close to home, and not go wandering off to leave the castle undefended. Just my $.02 on that topic...

 

[Sourdough]

I can see your internet going down as the cable modem is AC powered.
If you have a phone modem through the cable company for a land line, they SHOULD have a battery backup. Around here, it's a requirement as part of 911 services.

My internet is delivered through the phone. If phone down, then internet down. Phone system is by microwave receiver in a small plywood shack. The system runs on 24 volt batteries, those batteries are charged by AC (powerline) electrical grid. No grid, batteries will drain. The entire system was designed and built in the mid 1700's.

 

[Wingnut]

Man it seems to me that folks would rather tell a lie then tell the truth. I am proud to say I tell the truth if you do not want be told you stink then do o not ask

Haha, Frodo, ain't that the truth? Over the decades, I have developed several signature lines I employ with friends & relatives, and perhaps an occasional outsider...

1) "The beauty of telling the truth is that one's story never changes."

2) "Nobody ever won a popularity contest by telling the truth."

3) "All politicians are liars... if they told the truth, they wouldn't be elected."

Now that blatant electoral fraud is rampant, that third line is moot and irrelevant, don'tcha know?

 

[The Lazy L]

My internet is delivered through the phone. If phone down, then internet down. Phone system is by microwave receiver in a small plywood shack. The system runs on 24 volt batteries, those batteries are charged by AC (powerline) electrical grid. No grid, batteries will drain. The entire system was designed and built in the mid 1700's.

Mid 1700 ?

 

[elkhound]

Mid 1700 ?

right before @Sourdough was born...lol...sorry 'dough' i couldnt help myself !

 

[dademoss]

Mid 1700 ?

They aren't batteries, he has Leyden Jars.

(Yeah, going to hell, but not for that )

 

[Magus]

I respectfully disagree with both.

Speaking from 45 EDC, Drop the safety, point it right between his eyes. and tell him to back off!
Empty chambers get you killed.