You can also pick apart ‘definitions’ and bits and pieces of any argument, ensuring nothing ever gets done. Ignoring the reality of us changing our planet and overpopulating it won’t change anything. It may make you sleep better at night though.
@Bluejoy With that definition, if I water my lawn faster than the ground can absorb it, then the ground is being polluted by me. Right, I buy into that definition.
There was definitely sarcasm there. I really don’t sweat it. All the denial in the world isn’t going to change the fact that we are damaging the only place we have to live. Like I said though, I’m not concerned for me. I’m a prepper for one so I’m better set to deal with problems than most. It’s our kids that are going to pay the price for this,I'm glad you get it, unless you're being sarcastic in which case well, yes, doing that would in effect pollute your lawn, damaging it through too much of a good thing.
There was definitely sarcasm there. I really don’t sweat it. All the denial in the world isn’t going to change the fact that we are damaging the only place we have to live. Like I said though, I’m not concerned for me. I’m a prepper for one so I’m better set to deal with problems than most. It’s our kids that are going to pay the price for this,
I hope your right and we can adapt to whatever comes. As far as living less wasteful as the average I do live with less than most. LED lights, energy conservation appliances, recycling and compost, gardening, etc. am I a eco nut, no. But I do try to live less wasteful than most. As far as giving up electricity, I’m not suggesting that. I am suggesting that the govt start taking money from stupid ideas like building a 30billion dollar wall and start subsidizing industries to develope solar, wind and water energy production. Battery technology would be a good one too. I think the govt allready has enough money, it just should be reallocated to more important uses.@Brent, thats your incorrect opinion that Im burying my head in the sand and ignoring it. What exactly do you think the world can do with enough resources used to solve this? How much is enough? Got an estimate?
Why dont you start making a difference? Why are you buying food from retail markets instead of growing all that you eat? That food is transported using diesel/gasoline. So many resources are used up to grow that food, process it and get it to your table. The same with meat and dairy. Why do you drive vehicles? Dont you realize how much they pollute the planet? Are you perhaps greedy like the others you accuse? No, its a matter of neccessity and convienence. You act like everyone is polluting the planet on purpose because they want to just be evil. You live the same way as they do.
I think you would understand if you research how much of what you call pollution is released during a volcanic eruption in a short period of time in a reletive small area and see how long it takes the eviroment to recover. Compare that to any man made pollution of the same significance. Look at chernobyl and fukushima, cant get much worse than that. All those enviromental disasters have no effect on global climate change or factor into the earth having a global ice age or heat wave. Pollution is a localized affect not a global one. Global climate change has to do with orbital rotationtion of our solor system, cosmic ray fluxuations and solor radiation cycles from our sun.
My advise is to be as enviramentaly conservative as possable while still maintaining your quality of life, because what you suggest we as a human race is doing or not doing to our planet has no significance on the global enviroment or climate change of a exstinctional event. We as a species can and will adapt to most anything short of that.
My primary driving force is science Bluejoy. And the lack of good scientific integrity among MOST so called "Climate Change Experts" is appalling. They have been caught RED HANDED cooking the books on multiple occasions.I agree. A few years ago, I read a paper that suggested that one of the primary driving forces behind climate change denial was fear of the pain of loss.
Imagine the planet with no people on it at all. It would revert back to clean water, clean soil and nature again after a time. I remember reading how the Europeans were astonished that Native Americans were able to drink from the rivers, it was not polluted like it was in Europe. Of course it is polluted now. How sad one can't drink from the creek. All I can say to the argument is try to reduce, reuse and recycle, not only is that budget wise but environmentally smart. Of course there are people who refuse to do it.You can also pick apart ‘definitions’ and bits and pieces of any argument, ensuring nothing ever gets done. Ignoring the reality of us changing our planet and overpopulating it won’t change anything. It may make you sleep better at night though.
My primary driving force is science Bluejoy. And the lack of good scientific integrity among MOST so called "Climate Change Experts" is appalling. They have been caught RED HANDED cooking the books on multiple occasions.
If you are interested in real science and not pseudoscience, listen to a bona fide expert, Roy Spencer:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-natural-or-manmade/
Climate Change Science globally is driven by one main motivation: Suck as much money as possible from the U.S.
"lacking in the science department" eh?
Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville
He is the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite.
He has served as senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which he was awarded the American Meteorological Society's Special Award.
In 2001, he designed an algorithm to detect tropical cyclones and estimate their maximum sustained wind speed using the Advanced Microwave Sounding Unit (AMSU).
He was a member of the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM), the TOVS Pathfinder Working Group, the NASA Headquarters Earth Science and Applications Advisory Subcommittee, and two National Research Council (NRC) study panels.
"lacking in the science department" my lilly white Irish Arse!
Now, you give me the names of his critics and tell me what their credentials are...
That's BS BP. There are lot of things that the "little man in the suburbs" can do. Unfortunately most believers just want a government solution, rather than doing anything for themselves.too much arguing not enough discussing, i'm right, your wrong sort of dialogue.
the subject matter sort of gets lost.
the gases that are causing the climate to heat up are mostly caused by big business and industry , like chopping down the rain forest to grow palm oil and burn and slash to make room for ranches in the forests , nothing the little man in his house in the suburbs can do about that , more wind and solar farms are needed not coal and diesel power stations, that's a government decision not something that can be influenced by the guy and girl in the street.
exactly, nothing will be done until SHTF then its already too late.You are all missing the point. Right or wrong, Happening or bunk, it does not matter. Limiting birth is not going to happen. Modern man is not going to give up his modern life style. Developing countries are going to use what ever resources they have or can purchase at the lowest cost, no matter the pollution cost. If the planet starts going to heck in a hand basket, then the population will be reduced through water and air pollution, killing off whole groups of people. When it gets bad enough, the governments will then band together to start working on alternate solutions. Problem solved, lower population, new technology, cleaner environment and the start of a whole new way to over whelm the planet. Fact or fiction does not matter. People will do what they can to improve their immediate lives and are not going to give up their dreams and wants for the betterment of their fellow men. Point being, I am not going to loose any sleep or gain a single gray hair on this issue. You don't control the outcome, you can't change the outcome, so why get excited about it.
Sometimes I’ve wondered if this is why Trump pulled out of the agreement.You are all missing the point. Right or wrong, Happening or bunk, it does not matter. Limiting birth is not going to happen. Modern man is not going to give up his modern life style. Developing countries are going to use what ever resources they have or can purchase at the lowest cost, no matter the pollution cost. If the planet starts going to heck in a hand basket, then the population will be reduced through water and air pollution, killing off whole groups of people. When it gets bad enough, the governments will then band together to start working on alternate solutions. Problem solved, lower population, new technology, cleaner environment and the start of a whole new way to over whelm the planet. Fact or fiction does not matter. People will do what they can to improve their immediate lives and are not going to give up their dreams and wants for the betterment of their fellow men. Point being, I am not going to loose any sleep or gain a single gray hair on this issue. You don't control the outcome, you can't change the outcome, so why get excited about it.
Yep, it could well be. I have read stories with that premise...Sometimes I’ve wondered if this is why Trump pulled out of the agreement.
Ignore the cause, focus on the effect. Anyone notice there is less and less insects, and reptiles outside?
Yeah your right. I noticed a huge insect die off several months ago. Oh wait..that was winter. Happens every year around here. And they always come back in the spring.Ignore the cause, focus on the effect. Anyone notice there is less and less insects, and reptiles outside? Our ecosystem is crippling. Before long it will have serious implications on our ecosystem.
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