Okay, that might be a terrible way of phrasing. I'm looking to stay off the radar and keeping my presence unknown to law/government while blending into society. How can I stay anonymous while living in city limits where I live on the grid. I've already set up steps to keep our property purchase private and anonymous so our names are not associated with it. What else can I do to live in a way that keeps my life private and anonymous in society?
Going "off-grid" while living on the grid?
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Stay off of forums and use VPN and IP address spoofing.
What's the difference between using a VPN and spoofing? I thought spoofing is what cyber hackers do to gain access to others computers.
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IP spoofing uses a false IP address. VPN uses a real IP address. VPNs can be used for nefarious purposes, but by and large they are used for perfectly legitimate and legal purposes. They have been used by businesses for decades to connect satellite offices to the main office network so that the remote computers can be part of the main computer network.
It is not that much different than when your cable modem at home uses network address translation to make it look like your computer has a public IP address when it really doesn't. With a VPN, in between your computer and the public IP address there is a VPN pipeline.
My attitude is if you’re not doing anything illegal then why would you worry about trying to hide? There is very little privacy now days anyways.
Oh my God!
I sold a booklet explaining how to disappear into the American underground in the 1990s. I printed and sold it myself. It kept me afloat between jobs.
So, put the utilities in a relative, friend or girlfriend's name. The utility companies will do it with little coaching. Get a clean address. By this I mean find someone who is moving, get them to allow you to share that address for mail. Then open a post office box and produce a letter from this borrowed address as proof of residence. Your friends have moved, it is a clean address. Use burner cell phones, change every time you can. Work as a consultant and use a dba company or LLC to have your money paid to you. So far, all legal but If you are really desperate, use the Fredrick Forsythe (The Dogs of War) method. Go to a cemetery, find a person's gravestone your age who died as a child, take down the information, go to your County Recorder, get a Certified Copy of that Birth certificate and bingo, you become that person. I actually knew someone from Sweden who did this and got away with it until he died and a second death certificate was generated. The FBI send agents out.
But there is another way. Go to Los Angeles, 7th and Alvarado streets, park your car. A young Mexican guy will run up and ask you what you want. Tell him I.D. He will offer you various IDs at various levels of pricing. This is how illegal aliens prove residency for employment to perspective employers and the government/law enforcement looks the other way. You can buy a driver's license, green card, Social Security Card and number, incidental identification to verify the others like a library card. You can even get a passport. I was offered a Diplomatic Passport for $1500.00 in 1994. Unfortunately, it was a Bahamian passport and I do not look Bahamian.
Property, real estate, can be hidden too. How do you think Hollywood stars get away with not paying their bills? But this is getting harder because of pressure from counties over nursing homes. They came up with Tom Selleck and reverse mortgages which are a way to steal your home, not by the bank but by the county and nursing home when you get old. But the OP did not ask about real property.
There a many tricks to simply disappear. I learned all these the hard way---after they cost me money as a bill collector. When something costs you money, you remember and learn.
Yep. Right neighborhood to get what you want.
And Tom Selleck is crook too. Got convicted for his employee stealing water for his ranch Off the 118.
And Tom Selleck is crook too. Got convicted for his employee stealing water for his ranch Off the 118.
dont use credit or debit cards, pay cash for everything.
dont use loyalty cards, use a burn phone-no contract.
And most importantly, a vpn, the better ones at least, encrypts the traffic between the public address and my computer, so law enforcement agencies might track the information as far as the vpn server but from there to my place it's gibberish.
A better way to stay offgrid is to piggyback onto someone else's internet connection. One not in your name.
The term you're looking for is "Grey Man".
Seriously, why would you need to hide from the government unless you’re doing illegal things?
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Brent...what if the govt is doing illegal things? Like unconstitutional things.
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And you’re seriously paranoid
But back on topic, because it's a good topic, I don't think it is necessary in many cases to go to extreme lengths to assume another identity. How would that work for a person who has formal credentials, such as an engineering degree? Or a person who in the years ahead may come into an unexpected inheritance. I doubt any of us here live under an assumed name, what I assume is that we simply keep our mouths shut and agree with a majority group. Or if need be, pretend to agree with some current state of affairs.
Questioning the need for lockdowns or masks or vaccines for example is quite acceptable. If they wanted to make a list of people doing that it would include half the nation, but the list of protestors arrested here in Australia for flouting the current laws and protesting in the streets is quite small. As preppers/ Survivalists that is not the sort of thing we would get caught up in. It's counter to our Greyman philosophy for a start. What that idiot above said about " hiding from the government unless you’re doing illegal things? " Is half right. There is no need to hide from the government as long as the illegal things you are doing are undetectable, and in that regard I don't think we can be too vigilant in covering our arses.
Because we should not have to live in fear that the government is doing illegal things that violates the Constitution and the Bill of Rights or by their surrogate, Silicon Valley.
Because 1984 was never to be a training manual.
You may accuse others as being paranoid, but that still does not escape the fact of the matter that is exactly is what is transpiring.
See as an example: The FBI comes up empty-handed in its search for a Jan. 6 plot
Were you born last night or is the another result of low information CNN? You cannot completely hide ever. What you can do is lower your radar image. Morons work for the government. They have all the resources imaginable to monitor you. But they are lulled into a routine complacency. All you really have to do is slightly disrupt their results and they will miss you most of the time.
To answer your question directly, you have nothing to worry about in a Biden Administration, Brent. You are their perfect citizen.
I echo some of my fellow forum members if your not doing anything illegal you should have minimal difficulties with the government and therefore your efforts would be better spent on providing for yourself and your loved ones in the event of significant long-term disruptions of services ( food, water, electricity, police, fire, medical etc. ) as apposed to trying to hide from the government
I do not plan to hide from the government but I also do not plan to do anything to draw the governments attention. I do think being on the forum is a very minor risk, compared to my being a gun owner. I believe the government will go after the gun owners long before they go after the preppers. When the economy collapses, then those preppers close to big cities will be in trouble. The government is likely to pass a marshal law and want to confiscate much of the prepper's stocked food and any other useful resources. The rural preppers should be better off as the local government is made up local residents.
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Its unbelievable that some people don't care about their Right to privacy, or their individual freedom and liberties.
Your life on the internet has already been an open book. Big tech is tracking and will sell you out in a heartbeat.
Come with a warrant for my guns, you get what’s on the warrant.
Being within 40 miles of 3 Democratic Hellholes. Their hands are going to be full to be looking my way for about 6 months. I think riots last year proves this.
Come with a warrant for my guns, you get what’s on the warrant.
Being within 40 miles of 3 Democratic Hellholes. Their hands are going to be full to be looking my way for about 6 months. I think riots last year proves this.
I doubt it. It's a numbers game with governments and the actual amount of food preppers in a given city have is minuscule compared to what is in one large supermarket. Why chase down 1000 preppers when they can simply order the supermarket chiefs to close their doors?
I have often said it, there is a lot of confusion in the prepper /survivalist community, and that because it's a mishmash of religious beliefs; Hollywood movies, military experience, camping experience, organic farming systems, primitive weapons fanatics, and on and on. Basically everyone believes their own fantasy vision of the future and preps for that.
Now look at the corona virus, no one saw that coming and it's only just begun I believe. But if you look back you can see the governments of the world preparing for it with the other supposed pandemics. SARS, Bird flu, etc. Add to that the hundreds and hundreds of movies about virus infected Zombies and you have a world population ready to believe almost anything.
I wouldn't post here without a VPN and a browser that keeps no record of my activity. People here without VPN's will be going on a list, that's what government does, it creates police departments and they create lists for future action. When the Nazis marched into Poland the first place they went was the police stations to get the records of firearm owners, then to the owners houses. Being honest with government will get you in trouble every time.
Since "9/11" (I hate that term) we have lost almost all of our Constitutional rights. At any time the government feels just fine about redefining your rights or just plain taking them away. Tomorrow, the government can re-define you as a criminal. Semi-automatics are a great example. To you want them to have all your identification and locating information when that happens?
Thank you everyone for your responses.
