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trouble with trying to compare any SHTF time around the world with the US >>> it's the firearm situation ...

the civilian firepower in the US is greatest size army in the world - if it was evenly distributed we all get a few ....

having the absolute guarantee of firearm(s) coming to your front door is different than any other country in the world - having someone tell you about defending yourself with pepper spray or edged weapons is just pure suicide - someone will be shooting you dead on your first confrontation ....
 
trouble with trying to compare any SHTF time around the world with the US >>> it's the firearm situation ...

the civilian firepower in the US is greatest size army in the world - if it was evenly distributed we all get a few ....

having the absolute guarantee of firearm(s) coming to your front door is different than any other country in the world - having someone tell you about defending yourself with pepper spray or edged weapons is just pure suicide - someone will be shooting you dead on your first confrontation ....
Your right about us having more firearms than anyone else. That really would make a difference in shtf. With such easy access you can pretty much guarantee every stranger to be armed and dangerous.
 
Your right about us having more firearms than anyone else. That really would make a difference in shtf. With such easy access you can pretty much guarantee every stranger to be armed and dangerous.

not necessarily everyone - but if there's a group - keep an eye on the guys in the back being screened >>> those will be your shooters for sure - double that if there's moms & kids a plenty ....
 
Couldn’t get auto translate on. Great door ideas, what about windows? Mine are upvc double glazed, I’m hoping they’re a bit stronger than bog standard glass. Don’t have to worry too much about guns over here. I’ve got a dog and a big axe, hoping they will do the trick. I was thinking razor wire on the back wall, it would be illegal now but I could stash it away until kick off. Wouldn’t put anything in the front, I’d think it would be an advertisement that I’ve got stuff to steal.
 
Couldn’t get auto translate on. Great door ideas, what about windows? Mine are upvc double glazed, I’m hoping they’re a bit stronger than bog standard glass. Don’t have to worry too much about guns over here. I’ve got a dog and a big axe, hoping they will do the trick. I was thinking razor wire on the back wall, it would be illegal now but I could stash it away until kick off. Wouldn’t put anything in the front, I’d think it would be an advertisement that I’ve got stuff to steal.

you want something with a reach and a "sticker" - axe is close contact and takes room to swing >>> look around for a pitch fork - your WW2 Home Guard was armed with pitch forks and museum scavaged pikes while weapons were reserved for the army ....
 
I do envy those of you in rural settings. I just want chickens and a well, I could even legitimise getting a shotgun. We are considering Wales but all the places away from main roads and towns that I saw advertised a few months ago have gone. I’m thinking a lot of people have the same idea and want somewhere remote.
 
a lot of people are trying to get out of London and the home counties for more rural places due to covid in the capital.
normally city incomers dont last long without their coffee shops and supermarkets on every corner, when we go to a supermarket its a 40 mile round trip and takes most of the morning.
 
I like the idea of a spear/ pitch fork. Broom handle, could be improvised in minutes 👍🏻

not sure what's available in the UK - but in the US a hedge clippers (big scissors) taken apart and de-handled is a big spear head ready to go - complete with an insertable tang ....

all kinds of replacement handles hanging in the hardware section that will accept the tang >> you got one mean looking Zulu spear ....
 
not sure what's available in the UK - but in the US a hedge clippers (big scissors) taken apart and de-handled is a big spear head ready to go - complete with an insertable tang ....

all kinds of replacement handles hanging in the hardware section that will accept the tang >> you got one mean looking Zulu spear ....
should be able to buy a pitchfork at a hardware or farmers store(Mole Valley Farmers have them at their stores).
 
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When you get down to it a rock makes a formidable weapon. Using your head and improvising any thing on hand for defensive purposes is the plan. I have to admit, after reading all the posts from anti gun countries I’m glad to have the right to own them here. I have no intention of ever having to use them but it is a sense of security knowing I could.
 
When you get down to it a rock makes a formidable weapon. Using your head and improvising any thing on hand for defensive purposes is the plan. I have to admit, after reading all the posts from anti gun countries I’m glad to have the right to own them here. I have no intention of ever having to use them but it is a sense of security knowing I could.
I feel the opposite. ‘They’ don’t have them either. If I lived in America I would feel differently.
 
I feel the opposite. ‘They’ don’t have them either. If I lived in America I would feel differently.
Gracieboo let me give you a few things to consider.

Given the following choices, which would you prefer:
Fending off a large, strong unarmed male attacker with your bare hands.
Fending off a large, strong male attacker armed with a club, with a club.
Fending off a large, strong male attacker armed with a gun, with a gun.

We have a saying: "God created man, and Colonel Colt made them equal."

Google "Woman kills armed intruder." You will find many stories about that happening in parts of the US where most law abiding citizens have guns, and often it involved multiple intruders. But in the UK, women are rarely able to overpower intruders, and when it does happen, the woman usually had a gun.

A gun neutralizes the advantages of size and strength.
 
You have mistaken me. I was replying to Brent's post, he said he was glad he wasn’t in an anti gun country because he feels safer with a gun. Of course I’d feel safer with a gun, however I do not have one, therefore I feel safer in a country with anti gun laws because most nut jobs don’t have one either. If I lived in a country where a lot of people had guns (including the nut jobs) I would have them stashed everywhere. So hedge trimmers on a broom it will have to be.
 
I do envy those of you in rural settings. I just want chickens and a well, I could even legitimise getting a shotgun. We are considering Wales but all the places away from main roads and towns that I saw advertised a few months ago have gone. I’m thinking a lot of people have the same idea and want somewhere remote.


Have a look at the area about ten miles plus inland from Aberystwith towards Devils bridge , popular with English preppers in recent years
 
One home defence option i consider if someone breaks in to my home is to use the fire extinguisher. 1st set it off in their face and then smash the canister over their head.

I'd only consider a fire extinguisher as an improvised weapon for an active shooter situation for a retail/office scenario - for the home I'd want something lethal and capable of immediately taking on a 2nd-3rd home invader >>> whenever possible you want to permanently reduce the enemy side and not just temp disable them .....
 
I'd only consider a fire extinguisher as an improvised weapon for an active shooter situation for a retail/office scenario - for the home I'd want something lethal and capable of immediately taking on a 2nd-3rd home invader >>> whenever possible you want to permanently reduce the enemy side and not just temp disable them .....

We are somewhat limited in weaponry options under the oppressive EU regime.
 
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