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I don't think so. Everything has become too political now days. Plus the insane desire to "save the world".
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I once read about the war on whatever, be it drugs or poverty or other things. This was decades ago that I read about it and I sure do not remember the author. The article said that whenever there was a war on something like drugs, it always made the situation worse, much worse and politicians wealthier.
When we talk about drugs and the problems with drugs, we can know that government officials are getting wealthy from it. Someone I knew had a nephew in the Coast Guard, and while he was on duty, they would be informed that a particular ship was coming by and to ignore it. They knew that there were drug shipments on those ships. We have learned that former Pres. Clinton was big into cocaine. Planes brought in shipments as well as ships. Why are there so many people who died as a result of them? To protect them from the potential reports and being busted.
When we talk about drugs and the problems with drugs, we can know that government officials are getting wealthy from it. Someone I knew had a nephew in the Coast Guard, and while he was on duty, they would be informed that a particular ship was coming by and to ignore it. They knew that there were drug shipments on those ships. We have learned that former Pres. Clinton was big into cocaine. Planes brought in shipments as well as ships. Why are there so many people who died as a result of them? To protect them from the potential reports and being busted.
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Air America is a 1978 non-fiction book by journalist Christopher Robbins.
The book is a history of Air America, an airline covertly owned by the United States Central Intelligence Agency from 1950 to 1976.
From the 1950s to the early 1970s, Indochina had been the landscape of major drug and military operations, conducted by many actors including European and communist countries. When US military involvement started, costs rose and new resources, especially for covert operations, were needed.
Air America is a 1978 non-fiction book by journalist Christopher Robbins.
The book is a history of Air America, an airline covertly owned by the United States Central Intelligence Agency from 1950 to 1976.
From the 1950s to the early 1970s, Indochina had been the landscape of major drug and military operations, conducted by many actors including European and communist countries. When US military involvement started, costs rose and new resources, especially for covert operations, were needed.
Smedley Butler was right?
Gary Webb , who mention Joe Biden by name. " Kill the Messenger"
I think that totally depends on the objective of the discussion.
If the objective is to discuss total solutions or just trying to understand the causes of those topics then no, you really cannot have a real conversation about that stuff without politics/history/etc.
If your objective is however more specific, say preparedness- or just discussing something specific to say a battle or a lesson to be learned from the conflict somewhere- i.e. something not concerning political nature then sure, absolutely.
For example we could discuss drone warfare and perhaps some methods of dealing with drones that might be pertinent for individuals without getting into some big geopolitical debate about what some eastern european politicians have been doing for the last 100 years.. in that sort of case inserting politics would be a hard derail from the objective of the conversation. Obviously there are lessons to be learned about drones in the Ukraine conflict but I'd argue we could speak about the practical consequences if those discoveries without arguing about the political specifics of the war and the whole "putin this" and "zelensky that"
I suppose you could say that then the topic technically isn't the conflict itself then- but what I see most often in forums is that a specific discussion is started to adresse something outside of politics and then the thread quickly drifts and devolves into a discussion of politics instead of the original topic. Often, folks who just want to vent their political frustrations on the internet cry foul about not being able to discuss the topic itself- when what's really occurring is they just saw the correlation to politics and began derailing to politics cause they didn't recognize the objective of the OP really wasn't politics in the first place, but something more specific and practical.
If ANYONE is not familiar with this. And you don't care to read the book. Strongly suggest reading a brief synopsis of what happened and more importantly "WHY" it happened. The motivation was in the beginning very noble.
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It seems alot of jobs and new agencies are created when we do a "war on" something. Like drugs. So it needs to keep going to keep the job going. What would all the DEA people do?
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I agree 100%
I'll see your .... and raise you ...... so it is ten dots to you.
Wars are politics!
John Birch Society anyone?
Look it up.
We never were the "good guys" We were the least of available evils.
