How are we going to survive the next 10+ years?

[Survivor_316]

I agree that we are far too dependent on electronics. Dangerously so. I won't even scuba dive because I don't want to rely on technology to keep me alive....don't much care for flying for the same reason.

You and me both. My husband laughs because one of my common saying is:

If God wanted me to fly, he would have given me wings and if he wanted me to be under water, he'd have given me gills.

My generation is the homesteading revival generation, but they annoy those of us who grew up this way. There's not much more annoying than some city brat with blue hair lecturing you on how to raise an animal when they have only started to learn. I try hard to not lecture those who are older or wiser than me and to stay humble, but the millennial and now zennials who are from urban areas think they know it all.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

You and me both. My husband laughs because one of my common saying is:

If God wanted me to fly, he would have given me wings and if he wanted me to be under water, he'd have given me gills.

My generation is the homesteading revival generation, but they annoy those of us who grew up this way. There's not much more annoying than some city brat with blue hair lecturing you on how to raise an animal when they have only started to learn. I try hard to not lecture those who are older or wiser than me and to stay humble, but the millennial and now zennials who are from urban areas think they know it all.

They have youtube and youtube knows all....lol.

 

[lonewolf]

most of them dont know where eggs and milk come from or that apples grow on trees, I have heard and seen it all.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

different over here, most agriculture is mono cropping, especially in the lowlands, this is heavily reliant on pesticides and herbicides and fertilisers which are all imported, no imports no modern farming.
my area is hill farming country, so mostly livestock, cattle, sheep, pigs and chickens.
very few people work in agriculture as its heavily mechanised, that again is reliant on imported oil.
about 1% of the UK population work in agriculture which out of a population of 68 million is not many.

Not that different here really. About 1% are farmers, mostly monocropping but, some do two or three different crops, depends on the soil and temperature.

I am one who believes that the future of farming is implementing Agroforestry techniques. Agroforestry is just a new word for an old farming practice that environmentalists want to claim is some new genius idea they came up with. It is a means of farming still used in much of Eastern Europe. You know, those places that people consider backward?

Trying to convince contemporary farmers in technologically advanced economies to change what they have done since the advent of the tractor, skid steers, pesticides and chemical fertilizers is a tough sell.

Part of that is due to expense. They are set up to farm one crop, planted on thousands of acres. They have millions of dollars invested in that way of farming and it works for them. Part of it is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Part of it is as @Survivor_316 pointed out, who are these whippersnappers trying to tell me how to farm?

It is some of the smaller farms, that are starting to implement changes because it works for them. It increases yields and allows for diversity of production.

 

[lonewolf]

a lot of modern farming practices were brought in over here during WW2 when they were encouraged to grow more and mono cropping is just a follow on from that, however it dosent work here as I've already said if the imports which the industry needs are stopped in an emergency or collapse.

 

[Survivor_316]

When canning became en vogue, I was friends with this elderly lady from church... she's probably 95 now... For some reason she really liked me, but she was an utter crab to most.

Anyway, she chewed out more than one because they tried to tell her how to can. She probably weighed 100 lbs sopping wet but was in better shape than most 30 year olds.

I got a kick out of it.

She was a wealth of knowledge for anyone who cared to listen. She's still in that town, tearing into anyone who challenges her. I still get letters from her from time to time.

Sorry for the trip down memory lane.

Anyway, @bigpaul , would there even be enough land there for the entire population to farm at a small scale if they wanted? How are soils there? Are they fairly depleted?

 

[lonewolf]

When canning became en vogue, I was friends with this elderly lady from church... she's probably 95 now... For some reason she really liked me, but she was an utter crab to most.

Anyway, she chewed out more than one because they tried to tell her how to can. She probably weighed 100 lbs sopping wet but was in better shape than most 30 year olds.

I got a kick out of it.

She was a wealth of knowledge for anyone who cared to listen. She's still in that town, tearing into anyone who challenges her. I still get letters from her from time to time.

Sorry for the trip down memory lane.

Anyway, @bigpaul , would there even be enough land there for the entire population to farm at a small scale if they wanted? How are soils there? Are they fairly depleted?

there isnt enough land to feed the current population if imports of food and chemicals ceased.
at the moment we are 60% self sufficient in all food production including grains-100% in the case of Oats and Barley and 90% in Wheat at the moment a lot of this is exported.
the current estimate is if we tried to be wholly self sufficient in food-no imports- we would run out of ALL food by the 2nd week in August( if we started on the 1st January).
most people do not grow their own food and dont know how to, so starting farming after a collapse would be a disaster.
it has been said that over here we are 4 generations removed from the land( a generation is usually taken to mean 30 years).

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

When canning became en vogue, I was friends with this elderly lady from church... she's probably 95 now... For some reason she really liked me, but she was an utter crab to most.

Anyway, she chewed out more than one because they tried to tell her how to can. She probably weighed 100 lbs sopping wet but was in better shape than most 30 year olds.

I got a kick out of it.

She was a wealth of knowledge for anyone who cared to listen. She's still in that town, tearing into anyone who challenges her. I still get letters from her from time to time.

Sorry for the trip down memory lane.

Anyway, @bigpaul , would there even be enough land there for the entire population to farm at a small scale if they wanted? How are soils there? Are they fairly depleted?

I'm going down memory lane a lot today, it is the anniversary of my dad's death. He was born in 1924 so would have been 99 years old in a week (he had children late in life).

He saw a lot in his lifetime and was a wealth of knowledge, while at the same time, continued to learn. When I was in grade school, he got an Apple computer, and taught himself to program it. The man could fix anything from machines to homes to gardens. I learned a lot from him, my grandmother (1912), as well as my husband's Great Grandmother who was born in 1893....it is first person knowledge that young people today don't have access to.

 

[Survivor_316]

I'm going down memory lane a lot today, it is the anniversary of my dad's death. He was born in 1924 so would have been 99 years old in a week (he had children late in life).

He saw a lot in his lifetime and was a wealth of knowledge, while at the same time, continued to learn. When I was in grade school, he got an Apple computer, and taught himself to program it. The man could fix anything from machines to homes to gardens. I learned a lot from him, my grandmother (1912), as well as my husband's Great Grandmother who was born in 1893....it is first person knowledge that young people today don't have access to.

I'm sorry for the loss of what sounds like a fantastic man.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

I'm sorry for the loss of what sounds like a fantastic man.

Thank-you. He was special to me but, then again, mostly a man of his time. They don't make many men like him anymore.

 

[user 7000]

You and me both. My husband laughs because one of my common saying is:

If God wanted me to fly, he would have given me wings and if he wanted me to be under water, he'd have given me gills.

My generation is the homesteading revival generation, but they annoy those of us who grew up this way. There's not much more annoying than some city brat with blue hair lecturing you on how to raise an animal when they have only started to learn. I try hard to not lecture those who are older or wiser than me and to stay humble, but the millennial and now zennials who are from urban areas think they know it all.

Zoomers...

 

[Survivor_316]

Zoomers...

Oh, yeah. I'm mixing up/combining zoomer and xennial. I guess I am technically a xennial not a millennial But whatever they are, they're annoying.

Those darn kids.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Oh, yeah. I'm mixing up/combining zoomer and xennial. I guess I am technically a xennial not a millennial But whatever they are, they're annoying.

Those darn kids.

What's a Zoomer and and xennial?

 

[poltiregist]

I consider anyone under 50 a boy or girl and ain't reached maturity yet .

 

[Survivor_316]

What's a Zoomer and and xennial?

Xennial is someone born from around 77 to 83. A mix between Gen X and millennial because we saw life without the internet but still grew up with it.

Zoomers, or Gen Z, is the generation after millennial. Born in the 90s or early 2000s.

 

[EastenerWesterner]

I am 12 with 50 years experience.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Xennial is someone born from around 77 to 83. A mix between Gen X and millennial because we saw life without the internet but still grew up with it.

Zoomers, or Gen Z, is the generation after millennial. Born in the 90s or early 2000s.

So I am gen x and my kids are all Zoomers....got it.

 

[Dave2001]

Saying now fire at the substation. That could be a nearby homeless camp in OAK, faulty PGE equip, or other reasons.
I doubt they will ever say the real reason. Don’t want to scare the sheeple.

Sheeple BETTER wake up!!!

 

[poltiregist]

Sheeple BETTER wake up!!!

It's already too late for the sheeple to get themselves into position to be self- sufficient and face the serious events now materializing . Perhaps though they can better themselves to some degree . Preppers have predicted for many decades of financial Armagedón of entire nations , plagues and a war enveloping the planet . We are now seeing it coming to pass on the economic disaster and the lab created plagues and are watching for a Nuclear World War coming from over the horizon . What the majority of people didn't understand a decade ago , that self-sufficient homestead would for most be financially unattainable in the coming years . We are now at that point in time .