If you have zero interest in financial news, this would be a good time to pay a little attention.

[elkhound]

Lilly gives update from Austria...9-30-22

 

[Bacpacker]

No, this is not TEOTW. The country has simply stubbed it's toe and we will be in pain for a while.
We have done this before.

Super this may or may not be "IT". But one thing I know for sure, it's coming at some point. Magus is correct, the US ain't listed in Revelation. Unless we are the whole of Babylon. Actually the way things are going lately, that may not be far off base.

 

[Neb]

Super this may or may not be "IT". But one thing I know for sure, it's coming at some point. Magus is correct, the US ain't listed in Revelation. Unless we are the whole of Babylon. Actually the way things are going lately, that may not be far off base.

Only one country has called down fire from heaven... atomic bomb

Ben

 

[Sourdough]

There are so many serious world problems now, even if half got resolved we would still be teetering on the edge of hell.

 

[elkhound]

https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditi...new-sanctions-over-iran-oil-sanctions-busting

 

[Biggkidd]

It's going to take a charismatic leader who honestly has ZERO interest in being a leader to rally the people and start the movement to to oust the swamp and start fresh with farmers, construction workers and builders of many kinds to ever get the career politicos, money grubbers and lobbyists out of controlling positions. That or a cataclysmic event while all the A-holes are in one area.

I do believe if such a person could be prompted to take that first step Tens of MILLIONS would take up arms and follow.

 

[VThillman]

Seeing as how I have approximately zip for funds anyway . . .

 

[Magus]

It's going to take a charismatic leader who honestly has ZERO interest in being a leader to rally the people and start the movement to to oust the swamp and start fresh with farmers, construction workers and builders of many kinds to ever get the career politicos, money grubbers and lobbyists out of controlling positions. That or a cataclysmic event while all the A-holes are in one area.

I do believe if such a person could be prompted to take that first step Tens of MILLIONS would take up arms and follow.

I'm busy.

 

[Spikedriver]

It's going to take a charismatic leader who honestly has ZERO interest in being a leader to rally the people and start the movement to to oust the swamp and start fresh with farmers, construction workers and builders of many kinds to ever get the career politicos, money grubbers and lobbyists out of controlling positions. That or a cataclysmic event while all the A-holes are in one area.

I do believe if such a person could be prompted to take that first step Tens of MILLIONS would take up arms and follow.

If a truly "good person" arose to become such a leader, the power would corrupt said person before long. This is why I believe there should be term limits - no one can have power at a national level and remain above it.

 

[AMC]

If a truly "good person" arose to become such a leader, the power would corrupt said person before long. This is why I believe there should be term limits - no one can have power at a national level and remain above it.

I'm also busy.

 

[Magus]

There you have it. you'll have to fix it yourselves.
I will advise whoever pops up however.

 

[zoomzoom]

There are so many serious world problems now, even if half got resolved we would still be teetering on the edge of hell.

Hasn't that sentiment been said annually for the last 100-500+ years? We're still here.

 

[Sourdough]

Please enjoy your delusion. I'll even help, your correct. Everything is wonderful, no cause for concern or alarm.

Hasn't that sentiment been said annually for the last 100-500+ years? We're still here.

 

[Alaskajohn]

Hasn't that sentiment been said annually for the last 100-500+ years? We're still here.

What is different now is our country. We have lost direction and have total incompetent leadership that is allowing the deep state free reign. Also, we have also never experienced the printing of free trillions of dollars over a few years or how this would impact the economy. I could go on for hours listing what is different now.

We are the Babylon that the Good Book speaks of. We will get what we deserve.

 

[SLADE]

God will get those that lied, cheated, bullied, and scammed the ignorant.
Let God do his work.
Sit back and relax.

 

[Spikedriver]

Hasn't that sentiment been said annually for the last 100-500+ years? We're still here.

Please enjoy your delusion. I'll even help, your correct. Everything is wonderful, no cause for concern or alarm.

This place is a prepping oriented site, and preppers tend to be oriented toward overreaction bias. The world at large is oriented toward normalcy bias. I fall in the middle - I think we're headed for a pretty rough patch, but I don't expect anything resembling TEOTWAWKI...

 

[zoomzoom]

I believe my post was misinterpreted and I assure you, I'm not delusional about what's going on in our country and around the world right now.

Like Spikedriver said, I'm thinking we're going through a LOT of rough patches, not TEOTWAWKI.

Our country has been through many political, financial, government, wars and citizen divisions and we've always come out the other side. Examples include:
1929 stock market collapse
Great Depression
WW 2
50+ years of cold war with USSR and fear of nukes dropping everywhere.
USSR trying to put nukes in Cuba.
The Vietnam war and how it divided the US citizenry.

 

[elkhound]

@Sourdough 10-1-22

 

[Biggkidd]

This place is a prepping oriented site, and preppers tend to be oriented toward overreaction bias. The world at large is oriented toward normalcy bias. I fall in the middle - I think we're headed for a pretty rough patch, but I don't expect anything resembling TEOTWAWKI...

Really ? Seriously?

I sure do but a lot of it already happened. I mean think about it, the last bit especially: AS WE KNOW IT. Because I sure as heck never knew a world where Antifa and BLM ran free or where the speaker of the house stood on stage applauding deviant sexual behavior. Or when our own FBI and other feds turned on the people of the USA. Or where the elections were so openly and blatantly stolen or where murder / attempted murder suspects were turned free on their own without bail. The list of things that have changed radically in the last few years alone is staggering.

We can bet it's only going to get worse until the large majority of the decent people quit letting the small minority of deviants run all over us as we have been for the last however many years. We the people have been wrongly oiling that squeaky wheel for years and look at where it's gotten us!

 

[Spikedriver]

Really ? Seriously?

I sure do but a lot of it already happened. I mean think about it, the last bit especially: AS WE KNOW IT. Because I sure as heck never knew a world where Antifa and BLM ran free or where the speaker of the house stood on stage applauding deviant sexual behavior. Or when our own FBI and other feds turned on the people of the USA. Or where the elections were so openly and blatantly stolen or where murder / attempted murder suspects were turned free on their own without bail. The list of things that have changed radically in the last few years alone is staggering.

We can bet it's only going to get worse until the large majority of the decent people quit letting the small minority of deviants run all over us as we have been for the last however many years. We the people have been wrongly oiling that squeaky wheel for years and look at where it's gotten us!

I think our versions of TEOTWAWKI are different. I don't consider culture - I only consider the economic, financial, and infrastructure aspects of it. So for me, it's when medical services aren't available, food is starvation level scarce in the long term not short term shortages, there is little or no ROL nationwide not just in certain cities, infrastructure is unusable, etc. The closest America has seen in over 100 years is the Great Depression and even then it didn't really qualify by my definition. My definition is more "Mad Max" than anything to do with BLM or other cultural changes. Granted, some of those changes could possibly lead us in that direction, but not yet...

 

[Hardcalibres]

During the early 1900s, storm clouds of national tension gradually got worse over Europe.

In hindsight, the war of 1914-1918 had become inevitable years before it started. It was the first world war, but after it was over, folks with normalcy bias (ie the majority - including all the folks that didn't or perhaps wouldn't see it coming) called it "the war to end all wars".

By the 1930s, the storm clouds were back again. The tension gradually grew again. Over 1939-1945 even more people got killed than the First World War had done.

The cold war made first world people think that we could conduct warfare in someone else country and just watch it on TV.

The storm clouds are gathering over Europe again - anyone who doesn't think this is most likely to end very badly for many, needs to step back, look at events with objectivity and see the forest for the trees.

 

[Biggkidd]

I think our versions of TEOTWAWKI are different. I don't consider culture - I only consider the economic, financial, and infrastructure aspects of it. So for me, it's when medical services aren't available, food is starvation level scarce in the long term not short term shortages, there is little or no ROL nationwide not just in certain cities, infrastructure is unusable, etc. The closest America has seen in over 100 years is the Great Depression and even then it didn't really qualify by my definition. My definition is more "Mad Max" than anything to do with BLM or other cultural changes. Granted, some of those changes could possibly lead us in that direction, but not yet...

If you think about it with an open mind we are both correct.

 

[Spikedriver]

If you think about it with an open mind we are both correct.

Absolutely. It's a matter of how we each define it, not "I'm right and you're wrong". We each look at it differently.

 

[Tootsie]

Really ? Seriously?

I sure do but a lot of it already happened. I mean think about it, the last bit especially: AS WE KNOW IT. Because I sure as heck never knew a world where Antifa and BLM ran free or where the speaker of the house stood on stage applauding deviant sexual behavior. Or when our own FBI and other feds turned on the people of the USA. Or where the elections were so openly and blatantly stolen or where murder / attempted murder suspects were turned free on their own without bail. The list of things that have changed radically in the last few years alone is staggering.

We can bet it's only going to get worse until the large majority of the decent people quit letting the small minority of deviants run all over us as we have been for the last however many years. We the people have been wrongly oiling that squeaky wheel for years and look at where it's gotten us!

The thought, large majority of decent people versus the minority of deviants, is stuck in my mind at the moment. Yes, the decent people probably have the means, wisdom, and resources to make a stand but the other side of the entitled other minded masses is much larger than we think.
A person surrounded by wolves can survive, but if those wolves can shoot back, the situation is seriously different.
Past time to consider your team, resources, and game plan.
Technology and different facets of globalization have made these times a totally different situation.
I guess I can’t do much in the big picture but today I can stand for what’s right and encourage others to do the same.

 

[Alaskajohn]

Like the rest of the world, trouble in China.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...rency-markets-economy-beijing-fed-hike-2022-9

 

[Magus]

**** But it expresses my opinion.

 

[VThillman]

During the early 1900s, storm clouds of national tension gradually got worse over Europe.

In hindsight, the war of 1914-1918 had become inevitable years before it started. It was the first world war, but after it was over, folks with normalcy bias (ie the majority - including all the folks that didn't or perhaps wouldn't see it coming) called it "the war to end all wars".

By the 1930s, the storm clouds were back again. The tension gradually grew again. Over 1939-1945 even more people got killed than the First World War had done.

The cold war made first world people think that we could conduct warfare in someone else country and just watch it on TV.

The storm clouds are gathering over Europe again - anyone who doesn't think this is most likely to end very badly for many, needs to step back, look at events with objectivity and see the forest for the trees.

There is One Big Thing different now from 1914 and 1938.
+++++++++The presence of nuclear weapons+++++++

 

[Hardcalibres]

There is One Big Thing different now from 1914 and 1938.
+++++++++The presence of nuclear weapons+++++++

WWI was the first conflict fought with HMGs and modern artillery. Those weapons produced the very big death tolls that bled both sides almost dry. Even up to the last year of that war, the outcome could have gone either way. Civilians also got killed in an unprecented way. It was that industrial scale killing that made people hope that the lessons learned would prevent future wars......but it didn't.

During the cold war, it seemed like nuclear weapons kept it cold (at least unless you lived in one of the places a proxy war was waged).

But now it seems like the boundaries of deterrence are being pushed like never before.....

At the time in 1941, the attack on Pearl Harbor was described as a "surprise attack". But in hindsight, there was nothing surprising about it (except that it was a big gamble and a bad idea long term for Japan). Japan had only a few months of oil left and they had to do something before they lost the capability to operate their military assets.

Putin has shown over many years that he is not prone to bluffing.........and he has warned he may use nuclear weapons. His situation is becoming desperate. Cornered animals are dangerous.

In the last few days, Russia has annexed the parts of Ukraine they occupy. Ukraine has said they will apply to join NATO. Both those things combined are a big escalation of the conflict and risks of us being dragged further into the war.

If Ukraine takes back parts of those provinces, that is now (in the eyes of the Russians) an attack on the Russian Federation - and they have said they will use nuclear weapons if that is necessary to repel any such attack.

 

[Supervisor42]

During the cold war, it seemed like nuclear weapons kept it cold (at least unless you lived in one of the places a proxy war was waged).

But now it seems like the boundaries of deterrence are being pushed like never before.....

The beautiful thing about the cold war (with mutual assured destruction) is that both sides realized: "If I push this button, most of us will die."
Putin knows that if he drops a single nuke on Ukraine, it will be totally "game-on" with all of NATO, not just us. He would have used them months ago otherwise.
(Sorry, this is not about financial news) Feel free to hurl goatheads at me.

 

[Spikedriver]

To add to @Supervisor42 comment, suppose he does lay down a nuke on Ukrainian soil. Then what? It doesn't do much good to conquer something that's been turned into a sheet of radioactive glass. And what happens at home? Putin isn't the most popular fella in Russia right now. Popular uprisings can happen. Just sayin'...