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this came out today 3-28-23...what timing for our various threads mentioning new zealand.
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various things..
in video in post #85 i pointed out the guys freighter pack. well in numerous shots in video you see him with his daypack on. many miss the need for a great daypack because you use it everyday. you are often going through brush and it takes a beating..how much so? notice towards end you see guy and his one t shirt is very faded and notice on top of shoulders on both side holes? that from shoulder straps wearing through from it being carried so much.
also in video he showed were he was getting his water from. an old school i think it was with metal roof and guttering catching it in a cistern. if he had not had that he might have water issues or at very least spent far more time gathering water to drink for sure.
fish hooks,fish hooks and nets and knowing techniques. now i am not sure if it was this video or another but guy was fishing coastline and alone a section that wasnt beach but a rock ledge to water,he was catching fish but losing many of them and often couldnt get them hooked.having that edge there was perfect place to use a small drop umbrella net and to just lift fish up out of water without hooks. he also could built a fish cage to keep fish alive to eat as needed. it was a good spot to make a plastic bait chum bottle to lure as many fish in to catch and more.
clay tall tells done a primitive challenge and it was so hard on him. while doing this he didnt know he was sick but at end he ended up in hospital from exhaustion from how hard this was and they found his other health problems because of it and it took him a bit to recover from it.he has talked about how hard it was with primitive tools. a tool kit is a must.i have a tool toll i been working on forever.i based it on Mors Kochanski tools and things i done and something i seen in books and mags and more.its small but it will allow a bunch of stuff to be done with ease especially for finding trash along coastline and water edge and much more.
by the way clay mention ..and this was as of april 2022....there were many people in new zealand that could no longer afford meat and fish and how him and others often hunted and fished and gave much away to friends and family struggling. one example was butter it cost $10 a pound there a year ago.is that everywhere? i dont know but it is in his region. its even way more expensive in NZ than Alaska. that such a huge hold back..limited resources of brought in goods and goods being produced locally costs.you would need a milk goat for sure and more there.clay also mentioned that for awhile a bunch of real rich folks moved in and lived there for less than a year often and then left and put homes up for sale. he said a builder he knows was building 140 homes a month and was down to only 40 a month now.
heres clays video
in video in post #85 i pointed out the guys freighter pack. well in numerous shots in video you see him with his daypack on. many miss the need for a great daypack because you use it everyday. you are often going through brush and it takes a beating..how much so? notice towards end you see guy and his one t shirt is very faded and notice on top of shoulders on both side holes? that from shoulder straps wearing through from it being carried so much.
also in video he showed were he was getting his water from. an old school i think it was with metal roof and guttering catching it in a cistern. if he had not had that he might have water issues or at very least spent far more time gathering water to drink for sure.
fish hooks,fish hooks and nets and knowing techniques. now i am not sure if it was this video or another but guy was fishing coastline and alone a section that wasnt beach but a rock ledge to water,he was catching fish but losing many of them and often couldnt get them hooked.having that edge there was perfect place to use a small drop umbrella net and to just lift fish up out of water without hooks. he also could built a fish cage to keep fish alive to eat as needed. it was a good spot to make a plastic bait chum bottle to lure as many fish in to catch and more.
clay tall tells done a primitive challenge and it was so hard on him. while doing this he didnt know he was sick but at end he ended up in hospital from exhaustion from how hard this was and they found his other health problems because of it and it took him a bit to recover from it.he has talked about how hard it was with primitive tools. a tool kit is a must.i have a tool toll i been working on forever.i based it on Mors Kochanski tools and things i done and something i seen in books and mags and more.its small but it will allow a bunch of stuff to be done with ease especially for finding trash along coastline and water edge and much more.
by the way clay mention ..and this was as of april 2022....there were many people in new zealand that could no longer afford meat and fish and how him and others often hunted and fished and gave much away to friends and family struggling. one example was butter it cost $10 a pound there a year ago.is that everywhere? i dont know but it is in his region. its even way more expensive in NZ than Alaska. that such a huge hold back..limited resources of brought in goods and goods being produced locally costs.you would need a milk goat for sure and more there.clay also mentioned that for awhile a bunch of real rich folks moved in and lived there for less than a year often and then left and put homes up for sale. he said a builder he knows was building 140 homes a month and was down to only 40 a month now.
heres clays video
first bit is best..rest seems to be rubbish. i thought it was all about this family..there use to be a documentary on youtube about them.cant seem to find exact one i remember...anyhow you were warned...lol..some good and junk in video..didnt watch it all..first is best.
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That depends on the island. You'd be right about Manhattan Is. but the island I'm on is 99% trees and muskeg. It is very conservative. I'd hate to go against a bunch of the locals that grew up with guns, hunting, and roaming through the wilderness for fun. This would be a bad place to be an invading force.
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You need to study history more.......
For example, during WWII, islands proved to be very costly to conquer and when the defenders were overwhelmed, in many cases they were able to evacuate very large groups of people.
Also research the Pacific coast watchers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastwatchers
Winners never quit and quitters never win.
Most failure occurs inside peoples heads.
Or when Japan invaded and occupied part of Alaska, WW-II.
there is a vast difference between something like WW2 and a civilian attack.
this came out today 4-9-23..how timely...what a fantastic documentary...listen and see..especially the story of the first group...people who descended from ship wrecked slaves from ships 200 years ago and fled to this spot to live and survive..notice a certain word used in both peoples...freedom.notice they survived because of each other as a group or tribe of peoples. eyes to see and ears to hear.....
@Pearl you gonna like this one.
@Pearl you gonna like this one.
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What a prime spot!! They all had the same goal, not like people today!! Any random group of average people today would most likely have a hard time working together, would most likely fail!
3-26-23 Skote and his buddy are going on epic adventure. this boat build/design is awesome and the little details really make them extra nice. this would be great for a 'long hunter of the sea' along coast or island living.the one thing i would talk with boat designer and see about making sides 6-8inches higher for my likes.the little sleeping nook would keep you on water gathering goods for days or weeks. the 9 foot oars will get you to cover some miles too. anyhow thought yall might like to see this.
i love this boat...they done a month long shake down before long voyage.
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Above post i quoted is post #106 from test runs Adam and Matt done...today i got to wondering if they finished their trip and how it went. they put out a trailer and a full length film will be out at some point.
look at the transformation of them in this short 3 minute trailer of their journey...a 91 days trip ...this should show why most folks wont bug out or not for very long if not able to do so in a vehicle and on roads...the majority cant or wont do this...they might go short ways walking,biking,boating etc. in alternate modes of travel...but this right here is 91 days for 2000 miles..granted just bugging out far enough to be out of danger is all you need..but look at harshness of 91 days with nothing but the small boats filled with supplies and whatever they caught or killed along the way.
one thing i would do is right where the support cross bracket for oars is close to boat to not interfere i would put a type of mini down rigger so as i rowed i would be trolling a flasher right to catch fish as i traveled...just in case...it be free food while i rowed if lucky enough to catch a fish.
i cant wait to hear a full report on these boats they made.
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Agreed that most folks wont make it far.........but when you are talking about tens of millions of people and if even only 1% can go the distance, that ends up being a lot of people who make it out into the sticks.......and to where most of us serious survivalists live.
Among us survivalists, there are a few that live somewhere remote enough that they wont see many refugees, regardless of what crisis occurs.
But it also seems that there is a fine line between places that are that remote and places that are remote enough to kill even very experienced and capable people if they get sick or old or just have an accident or experience a severe weather event.
As with everything, choices and decisions involve tradeoffs.
I am not totally convinced about the refugees leaving the cities, some may know that food comes from the country, but a lot don't, they will loot and destroy, collecting useless junk and letting food go to waste, just my opinion . the broad base of practiced skills, not just stuff people have read about.
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There is a big difference between some and none (especially when you are talking about some proportion of tens of millions of people).
Those who believe that none of the refugees will turn up where they are, are engaging in wishful thinking (and are afflicted with normalcy bias).
If you assume/accept that some will arrive where you live, at least you can be as prepared for that as possible.
Those who believe that none of the refugees will turn up where they are, are engaging in wishful thinking (and are afflicted with normalcy bias).
If you assume/accept that some will arrive where you live, at least you can be as prepared for that as possible.
I basically agree. What I question is what would motivate them to go very deep. I don't have any knowledge about the lower-48 states. But here (Alaska) there would need to be something (Known to them) of value to pull them deep into the Alaska wilderness. They would have a specific "something" that they felt was worth the physical risk. They would need to know this information, in advance of going there. The best survival success plan I have come up with is on the coast of S.E. Alaska. That would be worth fighting to get too. Knowing there is abundant food would draw people.
the boat would give you more ability too..rowing vs. walking with bone on bone thing you have.
The question preppers "SHOULD" be constantly asking is: "Where does the FOOD exist that is 99.999% reliable"...???
But NO.......People obsess about where is the best climate, economic opportunity, easy living.
People can't grasp the tremendous abundance of food that is free, in physical locations.
In the book: "The WILDERNESS of DENALI", the author, Charles Shelton talks about coming upon Natives camped (at 65* below) at a tiny spot in a creek where a warm spring enters that creek, and there is many thousand Grayling (a fish) in that pool.
But NO.......People obsess about where is the best climate, economic opportunity, easy living.
People can't grasp the tremendous abundance of food that is free, in physical locations.
In the book: "The WILDERNESS of DENALI", the author, Charles Shelton talks about coming upon Natives camped (at 65* below) at a tiny spot in a creek where a warm spring enters that creek, and there is many thousand Grayling (a fish) in that pool.
A sailboat would serve you better. Rowing would require a ton of high calorie food. Sourdough was talking about S.E. Alaska. The currents and tides there would be a horrible battle if all you had were oars. There is plenty of fish but you don’t just row out 100’ and catch all you want, you need to move from place to place to find the best fishing and when it wears out you need to find another hole. The places close to town would be heavily fished.
well natives used kayaks ..yes and some larger boats to..but...kayaks give you mobility...the boat above gives you even more..its a place to sleep and its a bit more with oars being set up vs. just regular paddling.
i am not sure about running long lines or getting into certain spots with a sailboat...but sure theres various size sail boats too...i am sure you could rig up something on these little boats...i am just not experienced enough to talk about use of a sail.
i want to be able to go in shore pretty easy for gathering and cooking and stalking too. one advantage of this boat especially in the ABC islands is being off shore sleeping..so much safer for sure.
you know as well as i do theres a bunch of times you aint sailing in s.e. but you could get around close to shore rowing. chatham strait is rough and fast..but i just need to get to certain 'big coves' and i would be fine.
one thing folks not talked about is tides...i never was without a tide chart...i am not sure how to figure them without that chart...do you know how to make your own tide chart and is that even such a thing.
one thing is fish runs...i experienced spots theres just no fish till the run is on...so knowing that date would need to be recorded for next season as valuable information.
my tip and experience...dolly varden is your friend. reliable to have a supper...the guy sourdough reference at times done that long trip found that out too.
per college phd research..me and grizzgal talked about this..an acre of oaks will produce more calories than an acre of wheat.
There are very few places on earth that have the "massive" abundance of food, "AND" so very few humans as Southeast Coastal Alaska. You could never-ever go hungry.
