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It Is Time To Face The Facts. We Cannot Be United.
By Matt Walsh

Jun 12th, 2020 DailyWire.com


Broken bridge.
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One of the first articles I wrote for The Daily Wire was a typically optimistic and cheerful piece titled “The United States Of America No Longer Exists.” It was not met with a warm reception by many readers, who understandably found it to be a tad bleak. Three years later, it brings me no pleasure to say, “I told you so.”
My basic thesis in that piece was that our country, though existing still as a legal and geographic entity, cannot be meaningfully described as “united.” We have nothing but the law and the land holding us together anymore. That is not enough to make a nation or a people. There needs to be something else. Some uniting principle. Some defining commonality that binds us. If we are going to be united, we must be united around something or by something.

Today, all of this holds true, only more so. The key difference between now and three years ago is that we no longer have the law. Between the unconstitutional lockdowns and the sudden abandonment of those policies in order to allow rampaging leftist mobs to wreak havoc in the streets for weeks on end, the rule of law has broken down. And with our borders still about as porous as they’ve ever been, it is hard to say that we are meaningfully united even on a geographic level.
With these two pillars crumbling – pillars that were already insufficient in themselves to keep a country together – what is left? Many nations around the world and throughout history have been held together by the bonds of their common heritage, ancestry, language, and tradition. The United States has always been different in this respect, but we once had a language and at least some traditions. Now, it is ethnocentric, xenophobic, and racist to expect immigrants to learn the language of the country they are immigrating to.
As for traditions, our national holidays like Thanksgiving and Columbus Day have been abolished in many quarters, and that trend is rapidly gaining speed. No doubt, Memorial Day and Independence Day will be on the chopping block soon enough. These holidays are being torn down along with the statues of our historical icons, and politicized like the sporting events that once gave us respite from the political back-and-forth. These losses are not insignificant. Healthy, vibrant countries have always had their traditions, holidays, and heroes. We are going to try to be the first country with none of those. I do not think the experiment will prove successful.

But the thing that has always made America unique is that it is a nation founded on ideas, on a creed. If nothing else, we were once joined by our shared belief in those ideas and that creed. We have never succeeded in actually applying all of our lofty principles – that all men are created equal, endowed by the Creator with inherent dignity and value – t0 everyone equally, but we shared them at least on an aspirational level. Now we no longer aspire to be that sort of country. Many Americans fundamentally reject the inherent dignity of human beings. And our ideas of what it means to be “equal” are so elementally opposed as to render the term meaningless.
Are we joined by our shared desire to be free? No. In the minds of many, the ultimate vision of freedom is a socialist utopia where the free market is abolished and the government provides all basic needs. To me, and many others, this is a vision of slavery, not freedom. It may be true that all Americans talk about freedom, and say they want freedom, but the only commonality between the competing views of freedom is the word itself.
Can we be bound by our passion for human rights? Again, no. The situation with rights is much like that with freedom. Those on the Left – not just the leftist fringes, but the mainstream of the movement – would say that mothers have a “right” to kill their offspring, some Americans have a “right” to the money and property of other Americans, biological males have a “right” to access women’s locker rooms, gay couples have a “right” to the goods and services of Christian business owners, and so on. They see a “human right” as a claim always in competition with other rights claims. One right must supersede another. The woman’s right to autonomy must trounce, violently, a child’s right to live. A college student’s right to be free of debt must overpower a wealthy man’s right to the fruit of his own labor.

What they’re really describing is one group’s struggle for power and dominance over another. It has nothing to do with rights. Rights are inherent to our human nature; by definition, human rights cannot be in competition with one another. But since we have fundamentally opposing definitions of the term, we cannot be united around it.
If we cannot be united around tradition, language, or heritage, and we also cannot be united around a shared belief in freedom and human rights, then what is left? We would appear to be, already, two different countries. Or perhaps several different countries. Even that may be an overly generous way of describing our current state. Really, when a man tells me that he believes babies aren’t people, biological sex doesn’t exist, men can get pregnant, police departments should be abolished, America is racist to its core, and I am a white supremacist because I disagree with him on these points, I find myself questioning whether we are from the same planet, or the same universe, let alone the same country. That is how absolutely opposed we are, on all levels, with almost no common ground, or shared frame of reference.
It is not hard to see why our debates are fruitless and our conversations go nowhere. We are speaking different languages, both literally and metaphorically. We are a people divided by gaps that cannot be closed. There is no bridge that can connect the Left to the Right. The differences are too deep, to wide. For unity to occur, one side or the other must simply abandon almost everything they believe and profess, and join the ranks of the other. That is not likely to happen any time soon. So the divisions will remain, and grow deeper, and we will be less united over time.

I don’t know where to go from here, or how to fix it, or if it can be fixed at all, but I know that any path forward must begin with an honest assessment of the situation. This is my honest assessment, for what it’s worth.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-it-is-time-to-face-the-facts-we-cannot-be-united
 
We have lost our way as a nation, and can't go back and start over, hoping to get it right next time. There's a teensy-weensy possibility that we could balkanize and save something by so doing, but the 'world powers' probably wouldn't allow it anyway.

So, what's for breakfast?
 
Like the article says we just keep bringing in more sick and radical in a world pandemic and liberal allies who will surely join those in our streets in taking us out.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/06/us-should-take-in-fleeing-hong-kong-residents-senators-say/
We write with great alarm regarding the continued efforts by the Chinese Communist Party to rule by fear and oppression,” the senators, led by Republican Todd Young of Indiana, wrote to Secretary of State Michael Pompeo. “Some Hong Kongers are no longer safe living there and are seeking refuge outside of the region.”
 
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We have lost our way as a nation, and can't go back and start over, hoping to get it right next time. There's a teensy-weensy possibility that we could balkanize and save something by so doing, but the 'world powers' probably wouldn't allow it anyway.

So, what's for breakfast?

I put up a thread about that idea. The problem with that is too many left heir American heretage behind for different reasons and can't go back.I see it in others including my own family.
We no longer have pride in our culture, laws or what made our nation great and kept us united where the rest of the world wants to be here to enjoy our progess they don't want leave their cultures. Mulitculturalism has never worked and it never will.
 
The article is behind a paywall, so I haven't read it.

People are people and we absolutely can learn to thrive together if leadership is good. Our leadership - and we have an oligarchy - pulls people in different directions constantly. We absolutely have lost cohesion culturally, socially and politically. Ask ten people what America is and you'll get ten different answers.

Is Balkanization an option? Probably not. Those who create wealth wouldn't stay in areas mobbed by collectivists who want to take that wealth. Collectivists can't survive without people who actually produce, and not a terribly high percentage of collectivists produce anything.
 
People are people and we absolutely can learn to thrive together if leadership is good. Our leadership - and we have an oligarchy - pulls people in different directions constantly

My thoughts, exactly! The leaders and the people (most) have opposite agendas.
 
I would agree with the author's assessment, and I would also agree I don't know how to get it back. IMHO the key to his assessment: "But the thing that has always made America unique is that it is a nation founded on ideas, on a creed"

Due to failed immigration policies we no longer allow people into this country who share our creeds and values. They want to turn this country into the same XXXXhole they came from. They have no intention of assimilating, and becoming Americans. Compound this with the indoctrination of our youth through the educational system being taught what a horrible place this is, and this is what you get. Worthless politicians have allowed this to happen, as they pander for votes. We had it for a short time after 9/11. There was a public outrage that we were attacked, but is was short lived.

As much as I would hate to see it happen, an attack or declaration of war may be the only thing that would bring people together. Even if we were attacked I wonder if people would rally and unite? How many would either cower or refuse to fight? It is a very sad state of affairs.
 
If we Balkinize then we play into the rest of the worlds hands. What they want is the destruction of America as a whole to break our power position on the world stage. Divide and conquer.

There are nefarious foreign powers behind all of this. In our own government, media, education system, etc. If we don't do our best to resist what is being presented as the "obvious or only" solution I do not believe we will be pleased with a post America world.

The rest of the world will control the narrative and we will become the whipping boy forced to pay for all our imagined, false and even actual sins. Just that the dollar will no longer be the world reserve currency will be a huge blow. The carcass of successful America will not last nearly as long as we would hope. The world will stand in line for their slice of the pie.

Just because there isn't an obvious solution right now does not mean we should hit the easy button and split. I don't see an answer yet either, but, I also don't buy into the situation being as dire as it's being presented. Perception is the mother of reality.

I think it is high time we take 2 giant steps back as a nation and take a deep breath.
 
I think America will unite. Surprised?

I do believe Americans will unite at some point in the future. First we, as a nation, will have to go through incredible hardships and in the aftermath of that the remaining population will unite to form a strong nation.
 
I am sorry to say it but I don't think America will ever unite. We are more divided than ever and TPTB are working hard to divide us further and it will only get worse.
At some point, the Democrats will take control of all 3 branches of government and they will change the rules so they never lose control. When that happens America is dead. They will give away our sovereignty and kneel to foreign powers.
It would take a major TEOTWAWKI event to stop America's destruction.
 
The entire article is posted above. Just expand the quoted section.
Thanks, I didn't realize that. Good article, and, unfortunately, I agree with the author.
 
I am sorry to say it but I don't think America will ever unite. We are more divided than ever and TPTB are working hard to divide us further and it will only get worse.
At some point, the Democrats will take control of all 3 branches of government and they will change the rules so they never lose control. When that happens America is dead. They will give away our sovereignty and kneel to foreign powers.
It would take a major TEOTWAWKI event to stop America's destruction.

Sad but I agree. Sonenody is going to serve somebody else ,thats just a proven fact.
And America will just be another fallen empire.
I mean you don't have to be every smart to see the more ' diverse ' we got over time the further down we went.Thanks to the power mad money grubbing carpetbagging politicians 'on both sides' we had no borders and therefore no nation.
 
I am sorry to say it but I don't think America will ever unite.

I agree, but I also believe the average American is not represented in the divide. I think the vocal left is a minority and the extreme right is too, and they will never unite. But the people in the middle are united with one another and they make up most of America. If we can just get them (us) to turn off the news, stop listening to the lies, stop letting politicians become wealthy, stop overreacting to everything, stop letting the deep state control the narrative, and start having actual conversations we could put an end to much of the division.
 
If we can just get them (us) to
I can't picture much of that happening - but I am both a geezer and bewildered about urban life, so I hope my pessimism can be forgiven. I see the country as a macrocosm similar to the state of New York, in that the New York City metro area has political control of the entire state.
 
It Is Time To Face The Facts. We Cannot Be United.
Canada can't even decide on a national language. Half of it is French and half of it is English.
Does it worry them that they will be forever separate? No.
People speak 14 different languages in India and it is still a country :oops:.
Even here, flip over any cardboard box in a retail store, half of it is in Spanish, half in English.
We have always been a diversified country. That won't change.
Being disappointed that we are not a unified homogeneous people is just needless worry.
If you want "unified".... Go to china.
Everybody is the same there.
I'm ok being here;).
 
That's the Jo Jorgensen attitude, Supe. Heck, she might even leave Meer alone.

VThil Jorjensen has a backlor degree in psychology,sh would be too bust trying to analize me to. I'd like to see here and Jordan Peterson debate though,lol what a trip that would be.
 
It Is Time To Face The Facts. We Cannot Be United.
Canada can't even decide on a national language. Half of it is French and half of it is English.
Does it worry them that they will be forever separate? No.
People speak 14 different languages in India and it is still a country :oops:.
Even here, flip over any cardboard box in a retail store, half of it is in Spanish, half in English.
We have always been a diversified country. That won't change.
Being disappointed that we are not a unified homogeneous people is just needless worry.
If you want "unified".... Go to china.
Everybody is the same there.
I'm ok being here;).
It's not just that so many speak Spanish. That doesn't really bother me. What really separates us is ideology. People who think they're owed anything are pretty much the problem. If you don't work for what you have, that's just plain unAmerican, IMO. If we could just get over that hurdle, slavery would truly be a thing of the past. (Yeah, if you work and you're compelled to pay part of your earnings to people who don't work, that's slavery. It may be institutionalized and we may be used to it, but it's still evil.)
 
That's the Jo Jorgensen attitude, Supe. Heck, she might even leave Meer alone.

I like this man and basically agree with im on many thing,I don't know if he is independnat or libertarian.Have you ever heard of Jordan Peterson?

 
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I forgot about your hearing problem so here is one of his talks in writing ,I haven't read it yet so don't know what he will say.


https://www.42rulesforlife.com/hated-because-of-jordan-peterson/
Thanks, Meer. This doesn't seem to be one of his talks. It's written by one of his admirers, who is focused on fundamental Christian issues - and is not very good at writing essays. I gather he is quoting from one of Peterson's televised interviews - sort of. Based just on that, I don't see a Peterson-Jorgensen debate working out. Peterson apparently has annoyed a lot of folks, but the guy telling this story isn't clear on why.
 
Thanks, Meer. This doesn't seem to be one of his talks. It's written by one of his admirers, who is focused on fundamental Christian issues - and is not very good at writing essays. I gather he is quoting from one of Peterson's televised interviews - sort of. Based just on that, I don't see a Peterson-Jorgensen debate working out. Peterson apparently has annoyed a lot of folks, but the guy telling this story isn't clear on why.

I didn't fo so good anyway he isn't important. Do you think we wil ever be united again VThil ?
 
I didn't fo so good anyway he isn't important. Do you think we wil ever be united again VThil ?
Not for awhile anyway. I don't believe the national government is functioning well enough to keep us from coming apart. The education system, in homes and at school, has failed us miserably for multiple generations, and this is what happens when that happens.
 
We will not be united because their will be no nation to unite if the eurpean culture is gone,so goes the nation. Non immigrants before or afterr us even came close to our greatness. Thats why they all want to come reap the great rewaeds of the great nation we created out of an wilderness.It sureas heel wasn't because of ' white previlige ' that built engeneered, invented ,produced and labored to make it what it is today,not slaves ,if it were slaves then all the third wotld nations on earth would be 'aqatting in high cotton' pun intended.

Jordan B. Peterson: Identity Politics & The Marxist Lie of White Privilege
 
Hey Meer, the removal of that statue has been a mess here. Our news is bogus. Read what happened on KOB news on line (local), and you'll here that the peaceful protesters did nothing wrong, and a crazy militia man shot one of them. Now the mayor is saying that our local militia will be named a hate group. Then listen to Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin on youtube about it, read about it on Drudge, Fox News, and 100% Fed up. He wasn't militia, and he was apparently attacked and used pepper spray, then his gun. All over protecting the statue. The militia group was protecting the statue, too. It's just outside the Alb Museum. So, we will be the next Seattle. The message our governor, the mayor, and the police gave to the rioters is that they can do whatever they want and it will be overlooked. And by the way, It was announced by invite by the protestors on facebook the day before to come help them take it down. And the police wouldn't go to stop it, even though they knew about it. So, now, the statue comes down by the city because no one wants to "upset" the rioters even more. I am furious that the militia is taking the fall for this. They were armed, but rightfully so, we are an open carry state. I believe our governor may use this to disarm everyone in New Mexico. She said the militia being armed scared everyone and had no place there. So, at this rate, I say, no, uniting people is not possible. Not here anyway.
 
The article is behind a paywall, so I haven't read it.

People are people and we absolutely can learn to thrive together if leadership is good. Our leadership - and we have an oligarchy - pulls people in different directions constantly. We absolutely have lost cohesion culturally, socially and politically. Ask ten people what America is and you'll get ten different answers.

Is Balkanization an option? Probably not. Those who create wealth wouldn't stay in areas mobbed by collectivists who want to take that wealth. Collectivists can't survive without people who actually produce, and not a terribly high percentage of collectivists produce anything.
Hey Meer, the removal of that statue has been a mess here. Our news is bogus. Read what happened on KOB news on line (local), and you'll here that the peaceful protesters did nothing wrong, and a crazy militia man shot one of them. Now the mayor is saying that our local militia will be named a hate group. Then listen to Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin on youtube about it, read about it on Drudge, Fox News, and 100% Fed up. He wasn't militia, and he was apparently attacked and used pepper spray, then his gun. All over protecting the statue. The militia group was protecting the statue, too. It's just outside the Alb Museum. So, we will be the next Seattle. The message our governor, the mayor, and the police gave to the rioters is that they can do whatever they want and it will be overlooked. And by the way, It was announced by invite by the protestors on facebook the day before to come help them take it down. And the police wouldn't go to stop it, even though they knew about it. So, now, the statue comes down by the city because no one wants to "upset" the rioters even more. I am furious that the militia is taking the fall for this. They were armed, but rightfully so, we are an open carry state. I believe our governor may use this to disarm everyone in New Mexico. She said the militia being armed scared everyone and had no place there. So, at this rate, I say, no, uniting people is not possible. Not here anyway.


A little history here may help, who were the first ones here and do they deserve a statue in nation they lost rule over more thgan 300 years go?
Spain accidently discovered America while looking for a for shorter route to a nation " I forgot which nation" for trade.Once they found America they began their pilliges and massacre's of the natives people here, also the first to bring slaves to America in the 1400 and 1500s.
Once other Europeans came they also massacred them because of protestant religian was hated by the catholics spaniards.
They statue had no business being put there in the late 1990s anywaty, what ws the purpose?
History tells the story not news commentators puppet parots.
A little history,

Slavery in Spain - Wikipedia

Slavery in Spain can be traced to the times of the Greeks, Phoenicians and Romans. In the 9th century the Muslim Moorish rulers and local Jewish merchants traded in Spanish and Eastern European Christian slaves. Spain began to trade slaves in the 15th century and this trade reached its peak in the 16th century. The history of Spanish enslavement of Africans began with Portuguese captains Antão Gonçalves and Nuno Tristão in 1441. The first large group of African slaves, made up of 235 slaves, came with Lançarote de Freitas three years later.[1] In 1462, Portuguese slave traders began to operate in Seville, Spain. During the 1470s, Spanish merchants began to trade large numbers of slaves. Slaves were auctioned at market at a cathedral, and subsequently were transported to cities all over Imperial Spain. This led to the spread of Moorish, African, and Christian slavery in Spain. By the 16th century, 7.4 percent of the population in Seville, Spain were slaves. Many historians have concluded that Renaissance and early-modern Spain had the highest amount of African slaves in Europe.[2]

After the discovery of the New World, the Spanish colonialists decided to use it for commercial production and mining because of the absence of trading networks.[3] The native Indian population was used for this labor but they died in large numbers as a result of war, diseases, exploitation and social disruptions.[3] Meanwhile, the need for labor expanded, such as for the production of sugarcane.[3] The problem of the justness of Indian slavery was a key issue for the Spanish Crown. Bartolomé de las Casas was concerned about the fate of the natives and argued in 1516 that white and black slaves should be imported to the Indies to replace the Amerindians.[3] African slaves did have certain advantages over native slaves as being resistant to European diseases and more familiarity with agricultural techniques.[3] This pr
 

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