Like pumpkins at over TWO THOUSAND POUNDS.Agree, there, Alaskajohn. But I'd be worried I couldn't grow anything where you live.
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Like pumpkins at over TWO THOUSAND POUNDS.Agree, there, Alaskajohn. But I'd be worried I couldn't grow anything where you live.
Actually John lives a short drive from the breadbasket of Alaska. With 23 hours of growing light, and no real dark, you can grow 300# heads of cabbage, pumpkin you have to grow on a pallet so you can move them with a forklift. Volcanic soil that is very rich. Your gardening experience would would fit well in our area. You would fit well with the people.Agree, there, Alaskajohn. But I'd be worried I couldn't grow anything where you live.
I a was going to mention the extended daylight, It make a difference here for sure, that and altitudeActually John lives a short drive from the breadbasket of Alaska. With 23 hours of growing light, and no real dark, you can grow 300# heads of cabbage, pumpkin you have to grow on a pallet so you can move them with a forklift. Volcanic soil that is very rich. Your gardening experience would would fit well in our area. You would fit well with the people.
Modern society has created a very false concept of what/ where is desirable to live.It always seems as though, the fewer people live in any particular place, the bigger/more numerous the misconceptions about that place.
We encourage that. Friends of mine moved to CA when I was in high school. They told everyone that they lived in a duplex igloo. This is a rain forest. In 60 years I've seen one igloo here that some kids made in their front yard on an exceptionally cold winter. It didn't last very long. The fewer people in an area the more the people come to keep away from people.It always seems as though, the fewer people live in any particular place, the bigger/more numerous the misconceptions about that place.
Because about 84% of the people in the usa live in a suburban enviroment. Change is hard and normalcy bias is powerful, but mobs will kill you.And yet the push'back if anyone mentions how much easier and safer to be far from other humans, instantly triggers full outrage in near 99.6% of preppers. I have never seen anything that triggers preppers like that subject.
I think the 80% figure holds true a lot of places. If you live in England how can you be in the middle of nowhere? I live in the state of montana and a nearby town has a small restaurant that has a sign proudly displayed "118 KM to the nearest Mc Donalds".80% pf people in Britain live in the big cities , have urban attitudes and will fail completely outside of that environment.
wife was told by a professional person that we live "in the middle of nowhere" and he wouldnt want to live there as he couldnt live without all the modern resources and there are many like that.
small rural population, several hundreds of miles from a big city, remote but not isolated.I think the 80% figure holds true a lot of places. If you live in England how can you be in the middle of nowhere? I live in the state of montana and a nearby town has a small restaurant that has a sign proudly displayed "118 KM to the nearest Mc Donalds".
You raise some good points Morgan~ I will say (not to counter, but to consider) I think it's true to a point. People are herding animals and have lived in villages, tribes, clans - you pick. The thing with any of those is that there could be enough resources within say a 5 mile circumference of that village/tribe etc. I'll just pick on NYC as an example. If you drew a boarder line at a 5 mile distance from the NYC limits, would there be enough resources for the residents to sustain? I've not been there so maybe, but I don't think so. If you have a very small rural community, a few things become more prevalent: first and foremost is a sense of community, second is the scenario above becomes more viable increasing the odds of the needs to resources ratio, third is as you stated, you can have specialties like docs., cobblers, bakers, etc. so the need to become a jack of all trades greatly decreases.I know I am going to be very much on the other side of this argument, but let me at least make a case for the urban side of this. Cities have been an integral part of life for thousands of years. They didn't hatch or spring from some alien pod. They grew for a reason. They were safer. People could share skills and resources and divide labor. They could assist one another. They grew and prospered for a reason.
In today's society much of that still exists. Where to people go to work? Where do people go for education? Where do people go for healthcare? In an SHTF scenario whose services are restored first? There are advantages to being in urban areas.
Let me throw another wrench into the self-sufficient rural lifestyle. Your personal health. What are you going to do when you aren't physically able to maintain a farm and or livestock? When your eyes and ears joints are not what they used to be? When it takes you twice as long to complete a task? It is the inevitability of aging. For me personally, my health is comparatively very good, but I can't do near as much now as I could ten or twenty years ago. I have an asthmatic, arthritic, diabetic wife, and a mentally challenged son. Both take significant amounts of maintenance medication. How long do you think they would last if they were hours away from specialized healthcare? How are you going to farm, when walking to the mailbox and back is a major task?
Hoarding and security are a means of survival for me. I will stockpile enough food and water to last us until the end of days, and I am able to protect what we have. If this is my Alamo so be it.
This is something I sorta think about: I try to at least learn "about" different things. I can see it now: SHTF and XYZ situation arises and me doing the Homer Simpson "Doh!" Not something I hope for but would guess it would happen even to the best of folks.Skills and the ability to use them really becomes important in short order when the "system" fails
pretty sure things will not go as planned
I'll just pick on NYC as an example. If you drew a boarder line at a 5 mile distance from the NYC limits, would there be enough resources for the residents to sustain?
China & Australia are like that too.80% pf people in Britain live in the big cities , have urban attitudes and will fail completely outside of that environment.
wife was told by a professional person that we live "in the middle of nowhere" and he wouldnt want to live there as he couldnt live without all the modern resources and there are many like that.
I would disagree that cities have existed for thousands of years, America as a country isnt that old for a start and apart from London most cities here were no more than little villages until the Industrial Revolution in the mid 18th century.I know I am going to be very much on the other side of this argument, but let me at least make a case for the urban side of this. Cities have been an integral part of life for thousands of years. They didn't hatch or spring from some alien pod. They grew for a reason. They were safer. People could share skills and resources and divide labor. They could assist one another. They grew and prospered for a reason.
In today's society much of that still exists. Where to people go to work? Where do people go for education? Where do people go for healthcare? In an SHTF scenario whose services are restored first? There are advantages to being in urban areas.
Let me throw another wrench into the self-sufficient rural lifestyle. Your personal health. What are you going to do when you aren't physically able to maintain a farm and or livestock? When your eyes and ears and joints are not what they used to be? When it takes you twice as long to complete a task? It is the inevitability of aging. For me personally, my health is comparatively very good, but I can't do near as much now as I could ten or twenty years ago. I have an asthmatic, arthritic, diabetic wife, and a mentally challenged son. Both take significant amounts of maintenance medication. How long do you think they would last if they were hours away from specialized healthcare? How are you going to farm, when walking to the mailbox and back is a major task?
Hoarding and security are a means of survival for me. I will stockpile enough food and water to last us until the end of days, and I am able to protect what we have. If this is my Alamo so be it.
I would disagree that cities have existed for thousands of years, America as a country isnt that old for a start and apart from London most cities here were no more than little villages until the Industrial Revolution in the mid 18th century.
the ancient cultures are all gone, probably because the populations got to big and died out because of famine and failed crops, the same will happen to our civilisation.
I disagree, these ancient civilisations were mere villages compared to todays cities, except maybe in small pockets in some far off corner of the world in some primitive culture, modern civilisation will be wiped out once the services and technology fail. only those that can live simply and frugally will survive.With all due respect, Rome is still there, Greece is still there, Egypt is still there. The Middle East is still there. Many of the indigenous peoples on this side were wiped out by invaders from Europe. What will happen to our civilization remains to be seen, but IMHO mankind will remain in some way, shape, or form.
I strongly disagree, the Amazon was a great city for many year, until Small pots killed 90% of the people.I disagree, these ancient civilisations were mere villages compared to todays cities, except maybe in small pockets in some far off corner of the world in some primitive culture, modern civilisation will be wiped out once the services and technology fail. only those that can live simply and frugally will survive.
if its a nuclear war none will survive.
all these places had great civilisations but I dont think we can call them cities.
I pretty much agree. Prepare to thrive not survive.
Budget golds me back but my goal is to prepare to operate a foundry and machine shops to trade steam engines to rebuild from the ashes of disaster.
And maybe start an engineering school if it gets that far.
Ben
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