If it was that bad and I came upon some one eating some one else I would shoot that guy no questions asked I would think noooo not the zombies
Nomads or community
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reminds me of the movie, "the road"
There is one very important thing to remember, one which I have personally see; that is how people react under stress. It's totally different then what you think. When I was in combat I was very surprised. All the people who said they would never make it out alive; didn't. Everyone has a breaking point. That I personally saw, and there is no way to predict. People react in different ways under stress.
No, people are not on my menu.
No, people are not on my menu.
I agree that stress brings out the worst in people. And as soon as you give up mentally your done. The real bad thing is the way the stress will bring down a community if its not handled quick. One of a few things other than disease that will ruin everyone's day
Out here in California language is also a problem. Where I live I am surrounded by koreans, chinese, arabs.... I too find my self right on Main Street in No Man's Land as well.
My problem with bugging out is the kids. My problem with staying put is desperation of others wanting what I have. Not to say there won't be people trying to take what I have out in the "wilderness." I still debate as to what i will do. there are pros and cons to both.
As far as stress goes there are the two main categories of "fight or Flight." I too have seen people react so different under the exact same conditions.
For example earthquakes. I live in earthquake county, and I have seen people during an earthquake, and it doesn't have to be an overly strong one, run, freeze, panic, have emotional break downs, search for the strong, do absolutely nothing (ignore it), and handle the situation. People are a funny species.
biggest thing i can think of is IF you can find trust-worthy people to band together with. as was mentioned earlier,, you've bound to end up with one or two nuts in the bunch. but this will be your family/loved ones we're talking about here.
Bug in or bug out? Nomad or community? both of these questions are asked all to often with out any real resolve and with good reason. How can anyone here really say that when the SHTF I'm doing "this" period. To say your bugging in without a doubt is foolish. And to plan for only one of several SHTF scenarios is a plan to fail. We should all plan for as many contingencies as possible and not limit ourselves any more than we already are i.e...Financially. Think outside the box. I ask you this how many of you have only one means of starting a fire, one means of procuring water, one means of shelter ...etc...etc? I doubt a single person reading this post said they fit that description. Robert Burns said it best "the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry" to paraphrase, have a plan B. I know this is slightly off tangent but i feel it gets to the point without being definitive. No one knows for sure with 100% certainty what will happen all I'm saying is leave your self some options. Primary. Alternate. Contingency. Emergency P.A.C.E everything you do. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone or piss anyone off. I just feel like those questions are asked to often and rarely do i ever hear a response that makes sense. So Jericho what do you think, are you a Nomad or a Homesteader or could you potentially be both?
The best you could do?
That would be the ultimate act of Sacrifice.I tip my hat to you Sir.
Long enough to figure out a better plan with knowledge about whats going on in thw area at least.
I'm just starting to prep and I feel it's a little to late but am not giving up. do you have any suggestions of things I should start saving. right now I mostly have rice and water.I know this won't last but again I am just starting any and all help is appreciated
The most important thing is that you have come to realize that there is a need to prep.
Many people prep for different scenarios. Natural disaster, warfare, economic collaps, nuclear winter, revelations, and many more.
Your preps should reflect what you are expecting.
Most important is to have a plan!
Next you need water, food, shelter, defense.
There are many threads on this site that you will find useful.
Browse the different threads.
I keep a pad and pen next to me at all times to jot down things i'm missing or suggestions i come across.
Lastly, if you are still having trouble, just ask.
We are all in this together.
Like he said. Rice and water is a good start but you don't have to limit yourself to those. I posted in another thread about using a dehydrator and vacumm seal bags for food storage. You can do meats, fruits and veggies that way, and they will last virtually forever. It's relatively cheap. All you have to do is spring for the dehydrator and buy a little bit more of what you already buy and just run it through and seal it and store it.
I didn't think of that. right now they are just in some containers. I looked online was trying to find something that will holp water without it becoming contaminated.
Honestly? Depending on how your planning to react post-shtf it might be better to get a purifier. You can get really cheap ones like the drinking straws with the reverse osmosis filters that you can stick in raw sewage and get fresh water through it. That way you don't have to store a lot of water.
Do you know any water purification techniques? Or how to get fresh water from salt?
Do you know any water purification techniques? Or how to get fresh water from salt?
NO sad to say I don't. I mean I must admitt I was one of those who didn't believe crap stinks. I will google it.
Or I can tell you here. Probally be faster. All you have to do to purify salt water to drinking water is take a pot and fill with salt water. Place it inside a plastic bag, with the bag angled so that when the water evaporates it rolls down the side and accumilates in the bottom (or you can use another container to cath it). Will give you a pretty good bit of fresh water.
I would also suggest watching survival shows such as Man vs Wild. Bear Grylls usually has some pretty decent ways of getting water abd food (although most of them are not exactly what you would call tasty)
I would also suggest watching survival shows such as Man vs Wild. Bear Grylls usually has some pretty decent ways of getting water abd food (although most of them are not exactly what you would call tasty)
We'll stay where we are for as long as we can, we have what we need and can take several more family units on our farm. We have a neighbor across the road that will be throwing in lots with us, so we'll have her land to work as well. My oldest daughter will be here with her 2 roommates and they've already built a small cabin below the hill from us so they won't be underfoot. Personally I think with a community, if you have bad apples, they will need to be culled like you would a rogue animal. Life is too short for BS promises about doing better.
Renee, do you live in an area that you will need to evacuate from or is it safe enough to stay put for awhile? If you're going to need to leave, I would do more dehydrated foods rather than cans due to weight as long as you'll have a water source.
Renee, do you live in an area that you will need to evacuate from or is it safe enough to stay put for awhile? If you're going to need to leave, I would do more dehydrated foods rather than cans due to weight as long as you'll have a water source.
For me, I have been solo most of my life. Even though I belong to a couple of local preppers group I still consider myself solo to some degree, as Im getting older and developing trust with some of the local folks I am starting to re-evaluate. As that's been said several time above regarding the pro's and con's I believe vital resources (water food and fortified structures) will play a significant part in our decision to stay or 'nomad' It is imperative to network, you need to know the people within the network before SHTF trust is the most significant part of any networked groups, you must evaluate the psych of the group, if the psych is confrontational in ideology Vs surviving and being evasive then think long and hard before joining such a group, you must be willing to defend your ground and be prepared for such a situation but NOT go looking for trouble or be caught in the open in a indefensible position. Geographics and Situation will be the deciding factor not wants or plans! an o'l saying for the never ending loop 'plan for what you haven't planned for'
I'm glad I'm from the rual South . It's Me and my Family when it comes to prepping and I can count on most of my nieghbors to take care of their self . So as to the theme of this thread its Independant just out side of a community . You know its only a small step from Nomad to marroder (spelling? ) . Then you become a threat to be dealt with .
Agree, a perceived threat would get one just as dead as an actual threat, reason I have multiple stationary places I can go and hunker down and limit my times outside the comfort zone(s)
Being nomadic is only a short term solution. And, it's a pretty loathsome one, as your targets will be your fellow survivors, no doubt. (which also has many inherent risks). Also, you may go through stretches where you do without, over empty areas.
Personally, being in a settlement, that is fairly remote, is the best option. Agriculture is going to be the key for food needs, and having a stable water supply is again more preferable. The downside here is being a target for the above type nomads. However, historically, those being seiged are favored, as they can hold out longer and have a defensible position. At some point, if you can inflict enough loss on the nomads, they will move on to safer targets.
The other route, is being a settlement, that is then beholden to a large nomadic force. In exchange for protection (from the nomads as much as other nomads), the settlement provides for the nomads as well, vs. being raided by them. Tribute, in other words. A smart, outnumbered settlement will go this route (at least for a time).
Personally, being in a settlement, that is fairly remote, is the best option. Agriculture is going to be the key for food needs, and having a stable water supply is again more preferable. The downside here is being a target for the above type nomads. However, historically, those being seiged are favored, as they can hold out longer and have a defensible position. At some point, if you can inflict enough loss on the nomads, they will move on to safer targets.
The other route, is being a settlement, that is then beholden to a large nomadic force. In exchange for protection (from the nomads as much as other nomads), the settlement provides for the nomads as well, vs. being raided by them. Tribute, in other words. A smart, outnumbered settlement will go this route (at least for a time).
