Re: Ammo

[anonymousAmerican]

hornet is ruger has a box mag used to hold 10 got sand in it now it holds 5. 22 mag was my grandfathers its a marlin and its 50+ years old. when you hold it, its like holding the finest women you ever seen its so clean only flaw is finish is rubbed of the very tip of the barrel from riding in the truck when a guy named rabbit had it lol rabbit used it to grown hog hunt then pawned it to my grandfather the gun had the final 8 shots from the first box of shells put through it in the magazine gives me chills to think about it.

 

[DrHenley]

22 Hornet and 22 Mag are fun calibers to shoot, but sometimes come in some odd platforms.

Like this? Model 1885 Low Wall in 22 Hornet.

 

[anonymousAmerican]

Like this? Model 1885 Low Wall in 22 Hornet.

odd it is, ugly it is not. prob shoots as fine as any if not better. You should keep sumthing like that in the family

 

[alabaster]

Like this? Model 1885 Low Wall in 22 Hornet.

HAHAHA! YES! Odd indeed! Not a bad looking rifle. How does it shoot? I'm a little suspect of some things in 22H, but don't have enough experience with it , really. I like the concept of the round, but maybe the manufacturers haven't focused on it enough. There are a lot of hot little rounds out now that really sizzle. I still want a 22TCM 1911.

 

[anonymousAmerican]

from personal experience the 22 hornet cartridge is completely flat shooting out to 100 yds then the bullet drop is outrageous after that you can put 10 shots in a dime at 100 yds this is with reloads

 

[psalm 7]

From what I can tell ammo avalibility may take another hit . I intend on doubeling what I budget for ammo . I would sugest others do the same I am also including reloading supplies . I normaly wait for the brands and bullit style I prefer but am going to be less picky here out . Remember the Country is going into full election mode soon . There will be a lot of speaches made and public unrest and ammo will be flying off the shelf . Get it now or don't complain .

 

[DrHenley]

HAHAHA! YES! Odd indeed! Not a bad looking rifle. How does it shoot?

It is finicky. Some days it shoots cloverleaf groups and some days it opens up over 1". Never more than about 1.2 MOA though. Factory ammo is awful, however.

Here is a fairly rapid 20 shot group with only 2 not inside or touching the 1" X ring. I just wanted to see if it held zero on a long string (not stopping to let the barrel cool)

 

[alabaster]

Seems like good enough groups to me! I've seen plenty folks who couldn't do that if they actually slowed down and took the time!

...Here is a fairly rapid 20 shot group with only 2 not inside or touching the 1" X ring. I just wanted to see if it held zero on a long string (not stopping to let the barrel cool)

 

[Maverick]

i don't believe you should stockpile more than you can carry if you plan on bugging out but if you plan to sit tight then i guess more is better

Bugging out is over rated for 98% (perhaps higher) of preppers, bugging out should be the last option unless no other choice what so ever. First and foremost we should prep as if we intend to bug in, The B.O.B should be set up as an emergency evac from our bug in location not as the primary source of hope. My home is fully stocked knowing I may have to leave it behind never the less not every emergency will cause us to leave, stock the home first then work on B.O.B

 

[alabaster]

I agree with you Mav. You can defend your home far easier than you can defend a camp you set up last night. It takes time to learn the ins and outs of an area and a location. Most crisis situations blow over in short order, with most "Bad" ones lasting a matter of a couple weeks before some order is restored... Maybe this all depends on how much sh*t is hitting the fan. Most of us would like to rely on canned food and bottled water in our own homes if we could. Who knows, though. We could end up in a Book of Eli situation with no home left and a need to get 4000 miles away on foot.

 

[Ranger72VH]

OK I have a question for y'all. What type of ammo is best to stock up on for a handgun fmj or hollow points? I know that hollow points are better due to expansion but when I go buy ammo I hate to pass up the fmj because I can buy 50 for the same price as 20 hollow points.

Hunting big game you want hollow points. Anything else FMJ will do. I only buy hollow points for my precision lrg cal rifle.

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[Ranger72VH]

I'm stocking shotgun ammo,'cause I've a license for that gun,any other ammo is illegal to me,the Finland-thing, hopefully next week have a chance to start my .22 collection

Shotguns are very versatile. If you have to pick only one, that one will do the trick by switching ammo types.

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[jontte]

it's been a while,since I wrote that,now I go for 12ga,22lr and 7,62x54r.

 

[Ranger72VH]

it's been a while,since I wrote that,now I go for 12ga,22lr and 7,62x54r.

Im new here, just reading and catching up. I have been prepping for a while, but something is telling me to get ready. Last time I had that gut feeling, acted on it, and it saved a lot of lives that night. So, Im definately upping my prep game to not just operational, but actual strategic survival.

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[jontte]

but,hope you don't just concentrate on guns and ammo,those are only a part of my preps,one part is in the medical field,I got myself back to school
and took my paramedic exam,which opened another door,I'm now the new combat medic in our "National Guard",learning curve is steep,but I like it.
perhaps I have time next summer for some holiday time,it's been almost 5 years soon from the last one.

it's always good to trust your gut feeling,I do the same,seldom does it go wrong.

 

[Ranger72VH]

but,hope you don't just concentrate on guns and ammo,those are only a part of my preps,one part is in the medical field,I got myself back to school
and took my paramedic exam,which opened another door,I'm now the new combat medic in our "National Guard",learning curve is steep,but I like it.
perhaps I have time next summer for some holiday time,it's been almost 5 years soon from the last one.

Jontte, absolutely! That is what I meant. Before I was into individual short term prepping like protection, gear, individual med kits, being able to get ro a location and have what I needed to carry on etc... But now I am looking at bulk long term stationary with longbterm mobile survival options to include not only ground, but water. Also looking at deception as a tool to not be noticed like I would have been before.

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[jontte]

long term survivability is the one,sure had I all the money in the world,I would relocate in a heart beat,get myself everything,but for now,small steps
forward.

 

[Ranger72VH]

long term survivability is the one,sure had I all the money in the world,I would relocate in a heart beat,get myself everything,but for now,small steps
forward.

Same here LOL

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[Averagedude]

Get JHP picked up a box of 50 Winchester white box FMJ 9mm for I think 25$? Not as cheap as FMJ but get a few hundred than buy some FMJ to cycle threw and shoot. They will not perform as good as hydro shock I’m sure but much better than FMJ

 

[Maverick]

I’m under the mindset that one should stock up and practice with what one carries as their defensive rounds, I generally don’t purchase plinking rounds or cheap ammo for my defensive firearms unless I’m breaking a new firearm in. In my opinion it’s better to have 1000 rounds of very reliable and accurate ammo than 5000 rounds of questionable ammo in other words reliable and accurate over abundance

 

[Psalm7]

Its not everyday the average Person can walk into a store or gun shop and drop a ton of cash for lots of ammo so what I practice is about every or every other pay check buy a couple of boxes of ammo . I have a shooting box that I keep boxes of ammo to shoot from and stacks of metal ammo boxes that I store ammo in . I'v been doing this for couple of decades and I'v gotten to the point that I don't want anymore ammo . I got enough . I also reload so I pick up reloading supplies from time to time .

 

[dannyboy71me]

million rounds of each! lol some stored in home some in secret locations. rule of threes.

 

[chihuahuasniper]

Any ammo you can get your hands on will increase in value, but laws may change, and just mere possession can make you a criminal. Buy whatever ammo your gun takes. If you find yourself overstocked in a SHTF scenario, you can always trade away excess.

 

[Psalm7]

I keep plenty of ammo . How you store it is more important than how much you have . I keep them in original box stacked in surplus metal ammo cans with a oxygen absorber pack . I can open a box of ammo that Iv had stored like that for 30 plus years and they look new .

 

[Oddcaliber]

General consensus on most prepper forms is the 80/20 rule for ammo. 80% FMJ 20% hollow points or ammo of your choice. This is what I run with. YMMV.

 

[DrHenley]

I've been able to find Hornady XTPs cheaply enough to load mostly HP ammo in pistols. XTPs for practice, Gold Dots for Self Defense. For really high volume, like 45 ACP I use cast for practice.

Revolvers either take cast, XTPs or some premium bullet like FTXs

For high volume rifles, my Mini-14 absolutely hates FMJ, they are all over the place at 100 yards. So I use mostly 55 grain varmint bullets for practice. You can get Midway Dogtown bullets pretty cheap, but whatever the cheapest soft point 55 grain I can find at the time is what I load. They all shoot about the same in the Mini-14.

Other rifle calibers are for hunting or precision not volume so no FMJs there either. Premium bullets like Nosler Accubonds, and Hornady ELD-X for hunting, Sierra BTHPs for precision.

 

[chihuahuasniper]

I've been able to find Hornady XTPs cheaply enough to load mostly HP ammo in pistols. XTPs for practice, Gold Dots for Self Defense. For really high volume, like 45 ACP I use cast for practice.

Revolvers either take cast, XTPs or some premium bullet like FTXs

For high volume rifles, my Mini-14 absolutely hates FMJ, they are all over the place at 100 yards. So I use mostly 55 grain varmint bullets for practice. You can get Midway Dogtown bullets pretty cheap, but whatever the cheapest soft point 55 grain I can find at the time is what I load. They all shoot about the same in the Mini-14.

Other rifle calibers are for hunting or precision not volume so no FMJs there either. Premium bullets like Nosler Accubonds, and Hornady ELD-X for hunting, Sierra BTHPs for precision.

Is your Mini a newer one or one of the older ones? I know they updated the barrel in 2008 or something. My newer 14 rocks with a 2-7 variable

I'm a fan of defensive ammo for defensive purposes, but I prefer bulk ammo for everything else. 80/20 like the poster above would bankrupt me fast. I'm 95/5 because in SHTF a bullet is a bullet, and the more I have of them for SD or trading, the better. I doubt anyone will pay/trade more for a HP bullet in a SHTF scenario.

 

[DrHenley]

Is your Mini a newer one or one of the older ones? I know they updated the barrel in 2008 or something. My newer 14 rocks with a 2-7 variable

Semi-older one.
Here is FMJ vs Soft point @100 yards

Red lines point to FMJ bullet holes. Bullet holes in bottom target are soft point, ~4" group. This is with iron sights. I can ping a 10" gong @100 yds all day offhand with the soft points.

 

[chihuahuasniper]

Semi-older one.
Here is FMJ vs Soft point

Red lines point to FMJ bullet holes. Bullet holes in bottom target are soft point.

Yikes! I wonder what the new barrels are going for. That's frustrating accuracy for sure! Still better than me on a mediocre day

 

[Psalm7]

Here's what My older mini14 will do . Federal 55 grain fmj .