Roving Gangs - Counter Tactics?
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yes, but where are they moving to? and why? they will be dead of starvation if they don't find food-so how do they decide where to go? I just cant figure this one out. just aimlessly wandering just hoping to find food is counter productive, uses up precious energy so can anyone explain to me the method they chose to go where they do?????
some will think of,the ppl living in the country.and know that at least some of the country ppl will have food.on account they grow their own gardens.and that some of them can their own food.and then there's area's like where i live.some ppl have life stock.in which,that includes catlle chickens,even one guy has minutre deer of some breed...and some ppl know this..so at least some of the ppl will be heading for those areas..the city ppl also know that ppl in country as well as some city ppl hunt deer and wild pig..so they'll be lookig for homes to at least raid..then there's the ones that dont know that info..but yet some of them might think.someone in the country might help out with food n drink.then there's some that will do nothing,but die of starvation.or in some other way..
yeah it does..and there will be a lot of ppl comeing out from the citys.and they'll be spread out.and a good deal of them will know what to look for.and not to look for..
good job I'm not near any big city then. I still don't think British people have the brain cells for it anyway, favourite sayings are "it'll never happen" and "the government will save us", they scrimp and save to buy a house-minimum deposits are around 30%- and then they just up and leave it? nope cant see it myself.
I don't think any bands would be aimlessly wandering. No doubt, they'd stick to major highways, and targets just off the highways, and of course, any towns or cities along the way. Only way to be sure of absolute targets.
This is why going to the nearest main highways and removing the signs is such an important step. Will at least frustrate navigation efforts in the surrounding area, possibly even causing them to pass by, thinking a ramp near you is still further down the highway.
This is why going to the nearest main highways and removing the signs is such an important step. Will at least frustrate navigation efforts in the surrounding area, possibly even causing them to pass by, thinking a ramp near you is still further down the highway.
And maybe they don't have gangs like us over in Europe but I'm with Gazrok in thinking that biker gangs, specifically the ones with ex-military membership/leadership, will be a serious danger come NROL. Already organized, already know major travel routes and back ways, most if not all are armed, and those bikes can run a lot further on a small amount of fuel than typical road vehicles.
I mean, if there was no food to buy anymore and I was of a raider mentality, the first place I'd go would be nearby farms.
I mean, if there was no food to buy anymore and I was of a raider mentality, the first place I'd go would be nearby farms.
If they are tacticly savy then they would know who not to mess with . I know some militia types who's plan for post SHTF is to be raiders . Some of wich I have had diferences with that could lead to fireworks if we ever meet up .
Gazrok correct, someone going to lead some of these groups with a high intelligence that's going to preach the 'promise land' (food & water) blind faith have led many to their damnation throughout history today is no different.
For the most part gangs and stragglers are going to keep to the main roads, following rural roads doesn't mean a destination unlike main roads and highways that generally leads to other towns and cities and a lot of in between but as already mentioned, if a leader or group member is familiar with the rural areas around a given location then perhaps those folks will have a problem on their hands this is a good example why communications is needed with a spotter for alerting the homesteads in advance and why having a BOB is imperative and another reason not to store all the food and supplies in the house though doesn't mean we move our food and supplies out now just have a hidden place in position and ready, a good number of my stuff will be moved to a hidden location after shtf. Everyone has to evaluate one's situation, at my location I have time to make these logistical changes.
If one is unable to relocate, relocate supplies then fortification should be a priority, I've seen an lot of ingenuity for apartment preppers from having materials on hand for securing doors, windows and in one apartment I seen a couple have pre-cut for windows and doors 1" plywood stacked on the bedroom floor and that's what their box springs and mattress laid on, in another apartment a gentleman had 1" plywood cut in half 2'x8' then use piano hinges to re-affix the panels, he pieced together enough panels opening like an accordion to secure his glass sliding door, these panels were decoratives inside the apartment like a setting bench until needed. There is a lot we can do regardless were we live.
For the most part gangs and stragglers are going to keep to the main roads, following rural roads doesn't mean a destination unlike main roads and highways that generally leads to other towns and cities and a lot of in between but as already mentioned, if a leader or group member is familiar with the rural areas around a given location then perhaps those folks will have a problem on their hands this is a good example why communications is needed with a spotter for alerting the homesteads in advance and why having a BOB is imperative and another reason not to store all the food and supplies in the house though doesn't mean we move our food and supplies out now just have a hidden place in position and ready, a good number of my stuff will be moved to a hidden location after shtf. Everyone has to evaluate one's situation, at my location I have time to make these logistical changes.
If one is unable to relocate, relocate supplies then fortification should be a priority, I've seen an lot of ingenuity for apartment preppers from having materials on hand for securing doors, windows and in one apartment I seen a couple have pre-cut for windows and doors 1" plywood stacked on the bedroom floor and that's what their box springs and mattress laid on, in another apartment a gentleman had 1" plywood cut in half 2'x8' then use piano hinges to re-affix the panels, he pieced together enough panels opening like an accordion to secure his glass sliding door, these panels were decoratives inside the apartment like a setting bench until needed. There is a lot we can do regardless were we live.
Post SHTF we are not talking street gangs . Its groups banded togeather to raid others that have , most will say they are doing the right thing to survive . Some could be street gangs others that knew each other "before" , some families , others just banded togeather for strength .
While you may find some crops, they need to be tended to really have food (especially if in between plantings, and farms are kind of scattered and various sizes...and of course, farmers are likely to be armed). Depends on the SHTF situation. More likely, such gangs would raid supermarkets, restaurants, convenience stores, discount stores, etc. first, and travel the highways where they can be more sure of a next target. Unless of course, one KNOWS the rural area, and where things are.
In town, we have a main food distribution center for many supermarkets' produce, so no doubt, this would be a HUGE target for everyone. Also a lot of different farmers markets around here.
I was thinking more once the supermarkets are all empty, a few days/weeks in. And of course, yes, this depends on what exactly hit the fan, so to speak.
I would worry about said gangs assuming that you either A) have a lot of food store in silos/the barn/whatever, or B) set up some sort of forced arrangement whereby you provide food by tending your land and they offer "protection," meaning they won't come try to kill you in your sleep.
I don't live in a farm so this is all hypothetical to me but it's interesting to think about. My house is small and very old, doesn't look like much from the outside so I'm not too worried but post-SHTF security is still a major concern of mine.
I would worry about said gangs assuming that you either A) have a lot of food store in silos/the barn/whatever, or B) set up some sort of forced arrangement whereby you provide food by tending your land and they offer "protection," meaning they won't come try to kill you in your sleep.
I don't live in a farm so this is all hypothetical to me but it's interesting to think about. My house is small and very old, doesn't look like much from the outside so I'm not too worried but post-SHTF security is still a major concern of mine.
I don't think the every day run of the mill city street gangs are going to be an issue outside the cities its going to be gangs that developed after the shtf that are going to be the bigger threat but even then I don't see them venturing to far outside their comfort zone and that includes the 1%ers (bikers) they are not going to waste fuel outside their controlled area also, most of the 1%ers are not just thugs but also white/blue collar workers from engineers to heavy mechanics to welders many already know how to garden/ranch. My wife house in town is right next to the free souls mc club house, lisa been friends with the president of the club for years, we have gone over their at the club house for a beer several times and was invited to a large gathering with the gypsy jokers and brother speed when a member died in an accident. They keep an eye out on lisa house in fact have taken over her garden there and set up rain collection barrels, lee (president) comes up and uses our smoke house every year. For the most part we shouldn't be overly concern with bikers in a shtf situation but I'm not naive about their underworld dealings, We don't ask and they keep it away from us. It will be the desperate gangs that form in a post-shtf that we have to be concern with.
biker gangs are not a worry for me, having been one myself for most of my adult life I have mixed with many, did you know the safest place for your child is at a biker festival-such as the Bulldog Bash in the UK? its the "inner city trash" that we have to be on the lookout for, but I cant see them walking far post SHTF, they will confine their actions to the outskirts of the city.
yeah..so they might not go any further then 1 to 2 miles out from town..(if that far)...simply because they want to make sure thay they keep good controll on their area(s)..turf...
If such a gang was too big to tango with, I've certainly considered option B. No such thing as "in our sleep" though, as we'd always use sentries. If everyone in our planned group can make it, would be about 12 of us, so a pretty good number to rotate, even while doing other chores.
Food, water, medical services, mechanical services, and communication services would likely be our biggest trade options. Any gang would be smart to make a deal. (and if they don't, plan C. Poison certain items, bug out to a stash location, wait for it to do its work, then come back and clean up any survivors....trick is to use poison that takes many many hours to work, so more take it).
I've given some thought about fortifying the house. It's too big an area to try to fortify it all. Unless you're building from scratch with stopping a 50cal in mind, there's just not an effective way to do it not. That being said, consider fortifying an area in the house, mayby even two. Setting things up outside make sense too. Gaz talked about putting up concrete planters, which when Dug out make a great camouflaged pillbox. I really like the dual use of this. You might draw attention to yourself if you make foxholes in your front yard! Just another nutty prepper 
. Setting up a concrete water storage cistern, or planter, looks pretty reasonable though. I'd love some other creative ideas here!
The point here is your house isn't safe. A 22lr can easily penetrate most siding, insulation and Sheetrock easily. Something like a 308 May be able to pass thru your whole house. Even if you had multiple layers of siding that gave a little protection, the windows are too easy for a moltove cocktail to be thrown thru. I think having an escape route in mind with some hidden supplies somewhere is much more practical than trying to defend a house.
. Setting up a concrete water storage cistern, or planter, looks pretty reasonable though. I'd love some other creative ideas here! The point here is your house isn't safe. A 22lr can easily penetrate most siding, insulation and Sheetrock easily. Something like a 308 May be able to pass thru your whole house. Even if you had multiple layers of siding that gave a little protection, the windows are too easy for a moltove cocktail to be thrown thru. I think having an escape route in mind with some hidden supplies somewhere is much more practical than trying to defend a house.
you suggested fortifying an area in the house..maybe 4 rooms.1 in front of the home.1 in the back of the home.and 1 at each end of your home..and have 2 or more in each room..this way,they can take shifts in protecting the home.and have folks upstairs as well..that is if its a 2 story home..
In my opinion you should have a plan to fortify your home and posistions in your yard . But you should make sure that any trouble makers know that if they pose a threat to your folks and ares there will be a price to pay . Thats where the long rifle comes in then there is ****y traps and past that its open season . Post TEOTWAWKI and you cant risk making a mistake you will have to be tuff right off the bat .
It was pure accident but I gave a small warning to potential threats the other day not meaning to . I was out in the yard seting up some targets , had my Ruger Black Hawk and Bowie knife belt on , wearing camo and boonie hat and the mail ran I walked out to the mail box ans as I was getting my mail a County truck drives by with a work crew from the County Jail in orange jump suits drove by they looked and you could hear mumbeling . The County will take them out to pick up litter from the road side . Im sure they dont mind getting out for a while , some of the wore ones could take this opertunity to case out future places to burgularize .
It was pure accident but I gave a small warning to potential threats the other day not meaning to . I was out in the yard seting up some targets , had my Ruger Black Hawk and Bowie knife belt on , wearing camo and boonie hat and the mail ran I walked out to the mail box ans as I was getting my mail a County truck drives by with a work crew from the County Jail in orange jump suits drove by they looked and you could hear mumbeling . The County will take them out to pick up litter from the road side . Im sure they dont mind getting out for a while , some of the wore ones could take this opertunity to case out future places to burgularize .
i love moments like that...go out to get the mail,and someone that could be a threat later on.see you with a firearm or 2.and hopefully the practice targets you been shooting at..now their thinking.nope,i dont want anything to do with him/her..
..go out to get the mail,and someone that could be a threat later on.see you with a firearm or 2.and hopefully the practice targets you been shooting at..now their thinking.nope,i dont want anything to do with him/her..
i print my own practice targets.in which i staple them to a wooden frame i built for them.or straple them to a tree.then pick the distance and location where i want to shot from.i figure the smaller the target,the better in the long run..even if the actual printed part of the target is'nt hit ever time.im still getting close enough for a good shot in a bad situation.
