Roving Gangs - Counter Tactics?

[DrHenley]

the locals cannot arrest you over talking about it or posting about it. they can only do something if you actually put it together, hell, you can have the supplies stock piled and they cannot do anything about it.

UNITED STATES v. DAVIS, 313 F. Supp. 710, 714 (D. Conn. 1970)
Upheld conviction of a man for possession of a destructive device because he had four bottles, some cloth, and a gallon can of gasoline.

It is the government's contention that the cloth, gasoline and bottles here involved are a "combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device" as that term is used in Section 5845(f).

Yes they CAN arrest and convict you for possession of the components of a bomb, even if they were all legally obtained.

 

[Gazrok]

Upheld conviction of a man for possession of a destructive device because he had four bottles, some cloth, and a gallon can of gasoline.

What farm DOESN'T have all of these things? See my point? Don't talk about it. Just good sense.
Just mowing the pasture I'd have all of these (bottle for a cold drink, rag for wiping sweat out of my eyes, and a gas can for the tractor).

 

[jontte]

damn, I should have a small tractor...for my tiny little garden..could have and must have gasoline and if SHTF I could make cocktails...the molotov brand

 

[DrHenley]

What farm DOESN'T have all of these things? See my point? Don't talk about it. Just good sense.

Yep, in that case it was his mouth that got him convicted. His lawyer tried to argue that they couldn't use his statements to prove intent because that would be a violation of the 5th Amendment. Didn't fly.

 

[110035]

Well when SHTF and we bump into each other. We can share ideas, lol.

 

[anonymousAmerican]

the gentleman that created this thread is a mind reader

 

[anonymousAmerican]

Four black males driving slowly through a predominantly white neighborhood at night ,might be seen as being opportunists. But that would be racial profiling and a cop pulling them over, infringing on their civil rights. Are we planning to infringe on someones rights ? Maybe that roaming gang are just some poor hungry misunderstood boys , looking for some skittles and iced tea.Would all the real ambushing-*********-racist-instigating haters...please stand up !

your so naive you think a superior force with no supplies would hesitate to steal what you got take your life and rape your wife and children and possibly consume all three of you preppers like you will be the first to lose all that is dear inevitably your life if you dont soon wise up theft is bad as it is just think how bad it will get when times get worse

 

[Silent Bob]

your so naive you think a superior force with no supplies would hesitate to steal what you got take your life and rape your wife and children and possibly consume all three of you preppers like you will be the first to lose all that is dear inevitably your life if you dont soon wise up theft is bad as it is just think how bad it will get when times get worse

Wow buddy you sure have a way with words...take a chill pill. If you keep up with these comments your about to alienate a large standing community that is here to prep and learn. Certainly, he knows...he's not here to insight anyone, if you read his past posts, he's got some great info. You've done a pretty good to job of trashing Trapper and Realisticdude. two very long-time members, who is next?

 

[110035]

Wow buddy you sure have a way with words...take a chill pill. If you keep up with these comments your about to alienate a large standing community that is here to prep and learn. Certainly, he knows...he's not here to insight anyone, if you read his past posts, he's got some great info. You've done a pretty good to job of trashing Trapper and Realisticdude. two very long-time members, who is next?

Agreed Silent Bob.


"anonymousAmerican"
your so naive you think a superior force with no supplies would hesitate to steal what you got take your life and rape your wife and children and possibly consume all three of you preppers like you will be the first to lose all that is dear inevitably your life if you dont soon wise up theft is bad as it is just think how bad it will get when times get worse



To anonymousAmerican:

Also add a couple of commas or space out the text. I wasn't able to read all of that in one breath.
And on the same note. You shouldn't be trying to cram your opinion down other folk's throat just because you feel strongly about something. Personally, I am less likely to listen to another persons words when they are more or less yelling at me or grabbing my hair and trying to shove it in their own belief system. You should have approached that a lot nicer.
Everyone has their own views and we need to respect that. Yet, at the same time explain our differences calmly and politely. Otherwise, folks are more likely to become alienated and ignore you.

 

[tr2212]

Great thread! I am going to have to re-read this one a lot more to digest it all.

 

[psalm 7]

The gangs or bands lose thier desire to hit hard targets real fast and leave a trail of thier comrads behind . When you start knocking them down further than they can see and if they dare come closer and take some heavy casualties few are left to escape . Having a base to operate out of and good decision making gives the well prepped bugged in quite a eadge over a group scavenging from the country side for each meal while the clothes rot from thier backs . One should prep to be self suficient and able to live from thier homestead be it a apartment in a built up area Cabin in the moutains , farm or ranch . A plan that includes making others victims is a plan to fail and may get your remains hung from a tree as a warning to others that entertain such ideas .

 

[tr2212]

The gangs or bands lose thier desire to hit hard targets real fast and leave a trail of thier comrads behind . When you start knocking them down further than they can see and if they dare come closer and take some heavy casualties few are left to escape . Having a base to operate out of and good decision making gives the well prepped bugged in quite a eadge over a group scavenging from the country side for each meal while the clothes rot from thier backs . One should prep to be self suficient and able to live from thier homestead be it a apartment in a built up area Cabin in the moutains , farm or ranch . A plan that includes making others victims is a plan to fail and may get your remains hung from a tree as a warning to others that entertain such ideas .

How do you prevent a 'fight in your front yard'? (No smart a$$ tone intended, by the way. )

 

[anonymousAmerican]

your so naive you think a superior force with no supplies would hesitate to steal what you got take your life and rape your wife and children and possibly consume all three of you preppers like you will be the first to lose all that is dear inevitably your life if you dont soon wise up theft is bad as it is just think how bad it will get when times get worse

I can see now that this statement is too blunt, could have been stated differently and is in no way a threat.

 

[psalm 7]

You try to prevent a fight in your front yard by parimiter security . If not then you fight in your front yard you should have the advantage there . But remember the multi layer security .

 

[alabaster]

I can see now that this statement is too blunt, could have been stated differently and is in no way a threat.

It was the way it was worded. That's all. There are folks here who agree with you, you can be sure of that. Thanks for understanding that posts can seem harsh if their tone is such.

Also, the cannibalism bit is a bit off-putting(Not that I'm asking you to censor it). That's a personal issue I have, but it's only because I find it appalling. It's something that perhaps I don't want to consider, though I do understand that if things are bad enough, there are folks who will resort to such things. Those who don't know what to eat or how to harvest and forage will almost assuredly attack other humans like that. Personally I can't imagine resorting to such measures, but that's one reason why I prefer to prep. I can find edibles provided by Mother Nature instead of gnawing on my neighbor's stinking feet.

 

[Gazrok]

You try to prevent a fight in your front yard by parimiter security . If not then you fight in your front yard you should have the advantage there . But remember the multi layer security .

Yep. Personally, I like fences to break it up too. But yeah, it starts with limiting access to the local roads, etc.

 

[110035]

Yep. Personally, I like fences to break it up too. But yeah, it starts with limiting access to the local roads, etc.

Fences are nice. But you need some of these:

Around the house -

On top of your house or new bug out location - (the turret is hidden by the dome which is now open)

And finally a mobile turret to. Which plays as your perimeter security sweep - (Replace the paintball gun with a real weapon).

 

[jontte]

oo,how it would be nice to live rural, only my work keeps me here...well and the money I get from it..

 

[Gazrok]

That's why I drive so far to work in the city, hehe....

As for the gun turrets, sure, if money were no object....lol.
Reality limits available options somewhat though, so sticking with the plan of first cutting off road access, then fortifying the perimeter and trying to make as many layers of obstacles as we can, finally having to cross an open field of fire where we are firing from fortified positions, and they are in the open.

A really mean idea: Give them things that LOOK like cover, but really aren't (and that are traps). No better way to get your targets to just walk right into your traps (if it LOOKS like a good idea).

 

[jontte]

we should propably dig up old trap handbooks of vietcong,native americans and others..I thought the other day that my bottles of glass should go to the recyclebin,but I can use them for makeing cocktails..

 

[realisticdude]

your so naive you think a superior force with no supplies would hesitate to steal what you got take your life and rape your wife and children and possibly consume all three of you preppers like you will be the first to lose all that is dear inevitably your life if you dont soon wise up theft is bad as it is just think how bad it will get when times get worse

Naive........ No.................... Sarcastic ....................Yes.............................you need to google sarcasm and then Treyvon Martin , then re-read my posts on this thread. And as Silent Bob said "take a chill pill". Take my posts with a sarcastic grain of salt. ...................and skittles and icedtea.

 

[Gazrok]

Back on track, another tactic I neglected to mention, another thread convo reminded me....

Post SHTF, go around and take down ALL road signs! You know the area, but others may have maps. No sense helping would be attackers!

I also liked the idea of removable cow grates to restrict vehicle access.

 

[Brent S]

Back on track, another tactic I neglected to mention, another thread convo reminded me....

Post SHTF, go around and take down ALL road signs! You know the area, but others may have maps. No sense helping would be attackers!

I also liked the idea of removable cow grates to restrict vehicle access.

Good idea, I would have never thought of that. Any organized gang would be smart enough to procure maps and go on raids searching for supplies.

 

[lonewolf]

have been looking at cattle grids this morning, most seem to be the "drop in" variety -just stays in place due to its weight, but I know of one that is bolted in but that's seems to be about the limit of fixings.

 

[Graynomad]

All cattle grids I've seen have been drop in. You should be able to lift one out with a suitable lever and a vehicle I would think.

 

[Gazrok]

have been looking at cattle grids this morning, most seem to be the "drop in" variety -just stays in place due to its weight, but I know of one that is bolted in but that's seems to be about the limit of fixings.

plenty of ways to rig it so it could be locked down though, especially if this was considered when putting in the grate rest. For example, a concrete resting for it, that also included bolts with chains that could be used to lock down. (bolts mounted in the concrete, below the grate).

Of course, the whole point is to REMOVE the grate when SHTF, and only put it in place when YOU want to leave. So really, no lock needed, as post SHTF, you wouldn't have it there until using it.

 

[lonewolf]

most of the ones I see are just dropped into place and stay in place due to their sheer weight, I saw one that had obvious bolts in it so would need a spanner or socket set for that one.

 

[110035]

What about setting up a few well placed ****y traps. Dig a hole 3' down X 5' diameter. Then place spikes in the floor. Or using large rubber bands you can have a pair of pokes on either side of the mouth of the hole that slide together piercing whatever fell in.

 

[Maverick]

What about setting up a few well placed ****y traps. Dig a hole 3' down X 5' diameter. Then place spikes in the floor. Or using large rubber bands you can have a pair of pokes on either side of the mouth of the hole that slide together piercing whatever fell in.

if your going to go that far might as build a chong truc quay trap in a checker board fashion!

 

[110035]

if your going to go that far might as build a chong truc quay trap in a checker board fashion!

I love the fence ideas and wires on the ground (tangle your enemies). The traps would be a added security measure.

You can even run a shallow trench 2' wide X 12" deep and as long as you want with spikes in the floor. Injure your foot or legs and your practicality screwed.