Slow Burn vs. Flashpoint Event: 2 types of disaster, 1 type of prepping?

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Which would you rather face?

  • Yellowstone Supervolcano Eruption

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Civilization-ending Pandemic

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Major Impact Event (Near extinction level)

    Votes: 4 40.0%

  • Total voters
    10

DM1791

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Okay... For those who don't know me, hello. I am an author (yes, it's official.....full-time author now) who got my start with a series of forum posts from another website that many of the regular visitors here may remember, and that series was entitled: Officer of the Watch. It garnered a rather sizable following, not to sound immodest, and at last check had over 50,000 views and counting. That series of posts went on to become a book series entitled Blackout with 3 volumes and counting. The entire premise of this series is a massive EMP attack on the United States that is coordinated with a similar attack over mainland Europe and a ground invasion by a fictional Russia that has decided the time has come to resurrect the USSR.

This kind of event, what I like to call a "flashpoint" event is one kind of disaster that can bring down a society or civilization. Think of it like the eruption of Mount Vesuvius and its effect on Pompeii. That was a flashpoint event in every sense of the word, a sudden and massive cataclysm that lead to the immediate and irrevocable collapse of the society in the immediate area. Whatever the actual disaster is, it hits and is over very quickly and the subsequent impact is both immediate and long-term. It could be small-scale like in the case of Mount Vesuvius, or large scale like the impact of a large asteroid or comet. I chose to go with an EMP attack that immediately crashes most of modern technology as the disaster, and I tried to envision a worst-case-scenario for that effect.

But in my research it has become apparent that these "flashpoint" incidents represent one kind of a civilization ending event, but there's another often more complex type and that is the "slow burn" event. This is something that, as the name implies, takes some time to come to fruition. But, when it does, the cumulative effect is so catastrophic that it can last generations. The Black Death was this kind of disaster with the worst years being from 1348-49. But the overall impact was spread out over more than a hundred years with multiple smaller outbreaks after those heavy years as well as the potential impact prior to the European outbreak through the central steppes of Asia and down into India and southeastern Asia. One of the last official outbreaks of plague was localized in that region, and the Black Death probably originated there and migrated out with armies and trade caravans/convoys.

These slow burn events are often more complex and may have one cause compounding on another. The 1918 Influenza pandemic, for examples, was not only more virulent than those the population had been exposed to recently, but its geographic reach was greatly extended due to the mobility of military personnel during the peak years. Along with the increased reach the ranks of the military were also often injured, malnourished, lacking sleep, or most often a combination of the three. Men in this weakened state lacked the strength to fight off the infection and were prone to having bad if not terminal cases.

Now, my question... For those of you who are more experienced in this realm, what are the differences in planning for one type of event versus the other? Are there any differences? What do you need to focus more on in a slow-burn even than you focus on in a flashpoint sudden catastrophe?

I have some ideas in my head for how the two types of disaster could give rise to two different strategies for prepping/planning, but wanted to see what some other thoughts are first. I'll share mine after a few comments.... Also how I think they are the same.

One reason I ask is that I am currently working on another book that may well turn into a series that deals with a slow-burn event. In this case it's the emergence of an Ebola-type filovirus that is more easily transmittable and roughly 60% mortality. In this case it takes several months for the disaster to peak and then slowly taper. But the effects are catastrophic. 4.3 billion dead in 18 months. 2.9 from the virus and another 1.4 from famine, war, and other diseases. It will be another 10 years before the birth and death rates equal and population reaches a steady state. By that time there will be just over 1 billion people left worldwide.

SO, with that in mind and considering the questions above, I look forward to your input. And, as always, thanks for reading!

DWM.
 
Glad to see you again old friend. For those here that haven't read his work I highly recommend it. Please let us know when your new book is released.

The big difference that I can see between a fast and slow burn is the ability to fill in the blanks. If an EMP hits you have what you have. If an pandemic hits you have some time to get spare gas, extra food, TP, and and all the other necessities and niceties of life. The trick with a slow burn disaster is the ability to recognise and accept the reality soon enough. Too many will expect the government to deal with the emergency. After all, the government will take care of me, I need that money to see the new movie. It's been nominated for an Academy Award. My girlfriend and I always bet on the winners.
 
I will be ordering this book next payday..interesting
the slow burn allows someone the time to prepare...we can see the signs/trends..
flashpoint is to me.. get what you can , when you can; before everyone realizes the SHTF..
In my opinion, we have been in a slow burn...
it is a matter of situation for the flashpoint..I try to be ready..
It will be interesting when it happens..
 
If I had to choose, I'd pick the pandemic - mostly because that is familiar territory to me and I believe I am very prepared to deal with one. Honestly, I believe that we will experience a pandemic at some point in our lifetime. Last year's flu could have been a pandemic had it been a manufactured strain, as there were so many cases world-wide. Had it been just a bit more lethal, we would have had even the CDC calling it a pandemic. DM, I look forward to your book (I've enjoyed the others!).

As to your question if there is a difference in prepping for various things, in my opinion I don't think so. I prepare for the basics regardless of the causative agent. No matter what form the SHTF takes, I know I will need plenty of TP, soap, food, and water! BUT... I also have a grid with potential catastrophes I could possibly see in my area, and each of those comes with an additional layer of prepping. For pandemic, for example, I have focused not only on sanitation and personal protective equipment for protection, but also looking at possible treatment options such as making sure I have adequate electrolyte replacements/ hydration supplies above and beyond water. For a Yellowstone caldera event, I have particulate masks, plastic screening, and snow shovels to keep the ashload low on the roof. I don't prepare much for cyclones or hurricanes, as we just don't seem to get them in eastern Arizona! Chances of an earthquake or volcano are pretty low, although we do have over a thousand extinct volcanoes in AZ. Other potential catastrophes on my grid include civil war or unrest, foreign invasion/war, nuclear event, extreme weather event (lots and lots of snow and ice) and financial collapse.
 
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Now, my question... For those of you who are more experienced in this realm, what are the differences in planning for one type of event versus the other? Are there any differences? What do you need to focus more on in a slow-burn even than you focus on in a flashpoint sudden catastrophe?

If a person is seriously prepared it should make zero difference what the SHTF event is or how long it lasts. Fast/Flash or catastrophic slow developing horrific event should have zero impact on those prepared for both. However people are not interested in preparing at that level. The "Core" of nearly all prepping plans is "HOPE". Make a "Reasonable" effort and Hope they get lucky. And the silliest and dumbest foundation of most prepping is "Firearms".
 
The planning is done in a day by day lifestyle of being ready for anything survivable. There is no difference in how or when an event arises because you are either prepared or not.
If you need a last minute run to the store then you are not prepared.
Of your three choices I see one as particularly survivable with the other two being at best a point of limited survival.
In the order you listed them:
1. A full eruption of Yellowstone super volcano would give me a year to move as far south as possible to delay and survive the coming nuclear winter. Three years of sub-freezing temperatures and very low light would kill most plant life with the animals following. Yes one could have three years of food and other necessities but the cold and ash fall would eventually kill most of the life on earth. That would be an extinction level event with very few places to hide.
2. A civilization ending pandemic will only effect part of the population. There are always the few that don't get exposed and a greater number who are immune. It won't affect plants or most animals. It won't affect the amount of sunlight and the seasonal temperatures. As long as I can grow crops and raise animals I can survive.
3. There is a fine line between an impact that kills all life and one that does kill all life. A city killer will affect more than the city it destroys because of the after affect of debris in the atmosphere and the fires putting smoke into the air. That city killer asteroid will cripple a much larger area. If you go to the next size up you get a country killer and that will have much the same effect as Yellowstone. A planet killer is not survivable unless you are on your way to an established colony in another solar system. A moon sized object hitting the earth is going to cause complete and total devastation to the land, sea and air. It will take millennia for the planet to recover if it ever does. It may just end up as another asteroid belt between Mars and Venus.
So, there you have it. I would choose the pandemic simply because it is the most survivable.
I am prepared for this type of catastrophe and I would assume that some of the people on this board are as well. I don't believe there are many in the world who cold live without fresh meat and vegetables for a minimum of three years and I am will to bet that none of us have a rocket and a place to go that could support us. If you do then contact me through private message, I would like to talk to you.
One last thought aside from a planet killer asteroid impact, the destruction of most of the population and multiple civilizations does not mean that mankind will not survive. As long as there are a few thousand people left living the human population will continue. I'll see you there...
 
I don't play along well with these kinds of questions. Why? Because none of us knows what will happen. People are all over the map about predictions and why. One of the preparedness shows wanted people to focus on one type of event. I'd bet some of those people have never gotten over being on that show because of the work that was put on them to accomplish the episode.

I prepare for emergencies by storing food, medical supplies, equipment of many varieties, including non-electric equipment, water, garden, and other behaviors that keep me in a place where I will be better able to survive a serious event, be it pandemic, societal, weather, natural disasters, chemical or other types of disasters, attacks or whatever might happen. Many people don't have food at home for dinner. Many couldn't cook it if they did because they do not have a stove that could be used in a grid down situation. Many people do not drink water, and have few beverages to get them through a day or two at home, let alone toilet flushing and more.

Currently, there are 800,000 people who are experiencing a disaster of the government shutdown. It isn't a problem for me, yet. It could turn into a situation that could affect each of us and could potentially cause a collapse of society. That is a disaster to many people who cannot see past having the most expensive car they can afford with no thought of having savings, cash in their pocket for emergencies, and ways to get by if they could not go to the grocery store or out to eat.

 
If you don't know that an event (slow or fast) had happened till months or years after.......that is nice.
If the event (slow or fast) has zero impact on the quality of your life for years or decades that is even nicer.
 
I like the idea that a slow-burn type of situation gives you time to fill in gaps or make last minute adjustments as the situation dictates. In a flashpoint event you don't have that opportunity. By the time you realize what's happening it's already happened. In a situation like a pandemic you can see it building and, if you recognize the signs early enough, take steps. It gives those of us who are perhaps less prepared than we should be a bit of a grace period.

I would agree with most others that, in the end, if you are trying to be as ready and prepared as possible for a long-term situation of self-reliance then the type of event shouldn't matter when it comes to plans and preparations. The end goal is the same: Long-term sustainable survival on a subsistence level or better.

The one thing I do think that a slow-burn event has a direct effect on, though, is operational security. If you have a slower moving event that gives people time to react to it in real time then you increase the chance that there will be large-scale criminal activity in direct response. As it becomes more and more clear that society isn't just skipping a beat, the record's been broken, those who are criminally inclined will be emboldened. Likewise as more people who were on the fringe of survivability have their situation turn desperate they begin to do desperate things to survive.

In that sense, a flashpoint event can be more merciful in that the large-scale upheaval will ten to be short-term. In an EMP disaster that completely crashes the nation's power grid, for instance, there will be a large number of people who die of thirst as clean water quickly disappears and water-born illnesses cause dehydration deaths by the millions. Once that initial wave passes, if you can survive it, you have a drastically reduced population of basically immobile people focused on survival. Violence, in general, should be limited and localized absent some driving force like a political organization of a national military force.

A famine is a kind of slow-burn disaster, and as we've seen in modern famines criminal elements quickly rise up when civil society begins to break down. Those criminal elements control access to medical care, relief aid, food drops, etc. and thereby control the population. A similar situation could be expected to arise in a pandemic scenario if the situation was protracted and severe enough to significantly interrupt the international supply chain.

Just some thoughts... Love the replies and discussion.

Also interesting to see that most people would choose the pandemic. To me that is one of the most frightening prospects for a catastrophic event, but it would also probably be the most survivable. At least in the immediate sense. If the effects were drastic enough, though, it could potentially drive humanity into a second Dark Ages. And once the initial waves of sickness had passed the global economy and social order would be unsettled for decades, if not centuries. It took quite a while for the civil order in Europe to settle down in the wake of the Black Death. You could expect a similarly protracted recovery today, and the effects could even be worse. Imagine the effect on the world if 90% of the doctors worldwide died of a virus. Who would teach and train the next generation of doctors? What would it mean for society if medical care was suddenly one of the most scarce commodities on the planet because most of the doctors died treating a global pandemic?

What about nuclear engineers that keep power plants running. If a significant portion of those professionals fell to a sudden illness within months of each other the industry could be crippled for years while replacements were trained in the universities. What if universities themselves become epicenters for infection due to their conglomerate population from diverse geographic areas?

The long-term ripples of such a disaster are interesting to try and theorize and examine. And that is the point of the project I'm working on currently... a massive viral outbreak that has just those kinds of world-shattering consequences. Most scientists say we are overdue for a global pandemic of some kind and that this is one of the most probable dangers for a civilization ending event.

Okay, done rambling for now... Look forward to more discussion.
 
Thinking of the cascade of events can be daunting. Just to use Venezuela as an example, socialism causes inflation, price controls are implemented to curtail inflation, this causes farmers to quit farming and stores to quit filling the shelves, this causes starvation, disease, criminality, and massive inflation. This is an over simplification but points to the point that one event causes so many other cascading events that you may not at first think of as being generated by the initial event.
 
Lots of time emergencies have nothing to do with natural disasters or social unrest.

My situation, for example, heart issues took me out of work. I have plenty of food but not enough firewood or cash on hand.

My suggestion would be to have the cash first, you can buy more stuff with that.

You would be surprised how quickly food piles up if you buy say 4 cans extra when you go shopping. When I go, I get what I need then look at the canned food and see if there is a sale on anything.

Prepare by percentages of what is most likely to happen because you can't prep for everything. I don't want to die yet but at the same time it does not scare me.
 
Lots of time emergencies have nothing to do with natural disasters or social unrest.

My situation, for example, heart issues took me out of work. I have plenty of food but not enough firewood or cash on hand.

My suggestion would be to have the cash first, you can buy more stuff with that.

Exactly. Right now we are dealing with my daughters heart issues and not getting paid. Full freezers and pantry with cash on hand has been a huge help. The mortgage company suspending payments eliminated the only real stress we had right now.
 
Also interesting to see that most people would choose the pandemic. To me that is one of the most frightening prospects for a catastrophic event, but it would also probably be the most survivable. At least in the immediate sense. If the effects were drastic enough, though, it could potentially drive humanity into a second Dark Ages. And once the initial waves of sickness had passed the global economy and social order would be unsettled for decades, if not centuries. It took quite a while for the civil order in Europe to settle down in the wake of the Black Death. You could expect a similarly protracted recovery today, and the effects could even be worse. Imagine the effect on the world if 90% of the doctors worldwide died of a virus. Who would teach and train the next generation of doctors? What would it mean for society if medical care was suddenly one of the most scarce commodities on the planet because most of the doctors died treating a global pandemic?

I think one thing people don't think about is a pandemic is not just one wave of illness and then it is done. Often, there are multiple waves, and as the causative pathogen mutates, each wave can increase (or decrease) in severity and have different symptoms. Just because people survive the first wave does not mean a succeeding wave won't get them. Imagine you've sequestered yourself while people all around are dying of this mysterious disease. After a while, it seems like there are no more people- at least no more sick people, and so you venture out to scavenge or whatever. You run into others who are not necessarily hostile, but who may be carriers of the disease. Oops- now you have a second wave in progress. The flu last year was a good example of multiple waves. Although our major peak was the week after Christmas, we had additional peaks after that as previously protected people succumbed to repeated exposures, people who got their vaccine too early lost the protection from the vaccine, or people started to relax their protective behaviors thinking it was over.

On top of all of that, remember that people are also at risk of secondary infections. In lots of cases last year, people who died "from the flu" really died from superimposed bacterial infections as a result of decreased ability to fight off disease from having the flu.

As an infection preventionist, you may be able to tell that I am fascinated (and terrified!) at the possibility of a pandemic occurring. I am also working on a book about a pandemic, but I'm staying away from the filoviruses - I've got a cool mutation of another super lethal virus I'm using.
:woo hoo:
(Yes, it is sick to get all excited about really nasty pathogens, I guess, but it comes with the job!)
 
One thing I find interesting is what has happened to my health while working on my current project. In the last year and a half I have had strep throat twice, a horrible stomach flu that nearly had me hospitalized, I've gone into anaphylactic shock twice (still don't know why), and I've had 2 separate MRSA infections. It's almost like writing about a viral epidemic has somehow painted a target on me for every virus, bacteria, and bug out there. lol
 
One thing I find interesting is what has happened to my health while working on my current project. In the last year and a half I have had strep throat twice, a horrible stomach flu that nearly had me hospitalized, I've gone into anaphylactic shock twice (still don't know why), and I've had 2 separate MRSA infections. It's almost like writing about a viral epidemic has somehow painted a target on me for every virus, bacteria, and bug out there. lol
Everything wants to live, even a virus. The enemy obviously doesn't want you to tell people how to protect themselves. You would not only kill the virus but their children and grandchildren. :ghostly:
 
One thing I find interesting is what has happened to my health while working on my current project. In the last year and a half I have had strep throat twice, a horrible stomach flu that nearly had me hospitalized, I've gone into anaphylactic shock twice (still don't know why), and I've had 2 separate MRSA infections. It's almost like writing about a viral epidemic has somehow painted a target on me for every virus, bacteria, and bug out there. lol

Gee, I know that Hemingway said that to write about life you have to first live it, but aren't you taking that to an extreme? :eyeballs:

Do you think that when you write about pandemics and stuff, you tend to notice your own symptoms more, and maybe pay attention to things you might have ignored in the past? I know that whenever I learn more about a new pathogen, or hear about new mutations, I always feel hypersensitive - just in case any of those symptoms should happen to show up! I think that is pretty common with most medical folks, and especially with those of us who specialize in infectious diseases!
 
I know that whenever I learn more about a new pathogen, or hear about new mutations, I always feel hypersensitive - just in case any of those symptoms should happen to show up!

Kinda like when people start talking about head lice or fleas. (Except on a non lethal scale.) Every time I have an itch I have to check. Now my head is itching just thinking about it!
 
Great thread! I appreciated the many excellent points that were brought up.


If a person is seriously prepared it should make zero difference what the SHTF event is or how long it lasts. Fast/Flash or catastrophic slow developing horrific event should have zero impact on those prepared for both. However people are not interested in preparing at that level. The "Core" of nearly all prepping plans is "HOPE". Make a "Reasonable" effort and Hope they get lucky. And the silliest and dumbest foundation of most prepping is "Firearms".


This is my thinking as well.

I have noticed in over two decades of reading and participating in survival forums, that many people seem to have their own ideas of which catastrophic disasters to prep for, be it nuclear, pandemic, economic collapse, or whatever. Some folks budget most of their prep dollars for their favorite "pet" disaster, and not much further. "I've got my Geiger counter and X number of buckets of this and that... and now for the most part, I am prepared for (x-y-z)."

On the other hand, I know someone that prepped for years for a broad spectrum of disasters, only to lose almost everything he owned in a humongous and widespread fire... Although he had been a serious prepper for many years and spent untold dollars on his idea of what would be the worst possible SHTF situations, he was not prepared for this kind of fire to take everything out. That was almost a year ago, and he is still in shock.

In my world, preparing for hard times is an ongoing thing because it does not hurt me to cover all of my bases with Plan A, B, C...all the way to F for FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition). But my most important preps I work on daily: mentally and spiritually because in the end that is what will sustain me the longest.
 
You can never be too smart, too rich, too good looking, or too prepared. All you can do is prioritise and be a little better prepared every year.

I don't know about that. Some of the smartest people I know are complete idiots, rich people get used to paying others to do stuff instead of learning to do for themselves and good looks gets people to do stuff for you too.
 
You would be surprised how quickly food piles up if you buy say 4 cans extra when you go shopping. When I go, I get what I need then look at the canned food and see if there is a sale on anything.
This is the truth. When you keep adding a little here and a little there, pretty soon, you have more than you could have imagined. I keep lists of what I have and think would be good to have. I just keep hitting on the things I think I need more of and what is on sale. When a person is first starting out in preparedness, you need almost everything and need to focus on certain basics. Once you have your basics, you can add things that will provide more comfort. If you start with beans and rice, you can later add spices, freeze-dried veggies, meat and dairy. If you have oil lamps, wicks and fuel to burn in them, you can add solar and other high tech items.

You can never be too smart, too rich, too good looking, or too prepared. All you can do is prioritise and be a little better prepared every year.
Yes. Start with basics and then build on them, improve what you have, and increase quantities. Keep at it.
 
The biggest problem with "slow burn" events is that people become accustomed and apathetic to them. The abridgements of our first and fourth amendment rights and the gun control laws are like this.
If you look at all the changes in one lump sum it is apparent what is happening but when they are spread out over 50 years it seems less of a violation. We are losing our republic and a "democratic" socialism is coming.
 

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