so you elect idiots too....

[Mountain trapper]

my money,,,my money,,,,no one deserves it but me and mine,,,,,pfffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttt


you have a nice life there bud,,,you just made the ignore list out of pure ignorance

Well you got the first half right.

Thanks, I am having a nice life. Same to you.

 

[tmttactical]

we came from a large well off family and not one of them would help out if it was going to cost them a dime,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you sound just like them,,,not my problem starve

Not pointing fingers but why would your situation be anybodies else's problem or should be somebody else's problem?

 

[user 6493]

people can be cold and callus,,,,this could be a common sight in many places in the USA if some of you were to have their way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I for one am glad that you do not get your way,,the thought of any American Child being in such a state is sickening to me

 

[Proud Prepper]

Ok Sally Struthers. Its a good thing no child in America is that way.

 

[user 6493]

but for those of you who don't care,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nothing will ever change your way of thinking,,,,,,,,

for those,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the world does not revolve around you

Ok Sally Struthers. Its a good thing no child in America is that way.

I always like sally

 

[KateMTx]

The fact is healthy food is cheaper to buy than "cheap" junk food or fast food. The real reason that they're fat is because most are lazy, ignorant and they don't have to work for their food. The government (tax payer) just gives them too much welfare.

In the long run it is true that a healthy diet can be cheaper, but often in the immediate future it often appears that the cheaper option is the less healthy one. Not all jobs require a lot of physical labor; there are plenty of "fat" people who hold jobs and provide for themselves and their families. People tend to live such "busy" lives but don't really "do" anything, and the easiest option seems to be grabbing a quick (unhealthy) meal. I think it's just as often caused by the fast-paced, over-connected lives people subject themselves to as it is caused by laziness and excessive welfare. At least this has been my observation.

 

[user 7704]

so, nurses just play cards in your neck of woods...

When I read that, I coyldnt believe it.

Use the "the think before you speak rule".

 

[TexasFreedom]

First, let me say this is a good discussion. Different views, everyone politely stating their views... well, ok, some 'ignores' tossed in there, but... you know...

yeah sure and who did you help out this week,,

So glad you asked. Saturday I spoke with a young recovering addict about hiring him part time to work for me. He's not been hired yet, but I am hopeful. So who have you hired lately?

we grew up poor damned poor,mom was on welfare for a number of years until we got old enough to stay home alone,,,we had nothing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you know damned little about welfare and are just bitching because you think anyone collecting it does not deserve it,,,,,,,,,,,,,

my money,,,my money,,,,no one deserves it but me and mine,,,,,pfffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttt
you have a nice life there bud,,,you just made the ignore list out of pure ignorance

GG, let me say it another way. My work made me my money. I say what I do with it, and that includes what charities I give to and choose not to give to. I visited a new church on Sunday, and dropped a $100 bill in the plate. What you are missing is that people are much MORE generous when they are allowed to give freely. There is no bitterness in charity giving.

people can be cold and callus,,,,this could be a common sight in many places in the USA if some of you were to have their way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I for one am glad that you do not get your way,,the thought of any American Child being in such a state is sickening to me

The good news is that there are no children in America in that state of starvation (outside of some torture/nutjob cases). None. Zero. Sure, there are some people who are genuinely hungry. Some of that are bad choices. Some of that are children (I call that child abuse). But more welfare will make little to no difference to these situations, they need other influences to fix these problems.

 

[tmttactical]

but for those of you who don't care,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nothing will ever change your way of thinking,,,,,,,,

for those,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the world does not revolve around you



I always like sally

Why do you point your fingers at the people that have absolutely nothing to do with bringing these children into the world, are not related to them and have no obligation to support these children? Where is your indignation at the parents that continue to breed children, when they can't support their current families. Where is your demand that these parents be sterilized to prevent more dead children? Why are you not demanding that the children be removed from parents that continue to breed but can't support their children? You appear to be demanding other people pay for and continue to support the mistakes of people not willing to be responsible for their personal life choices. Do I want starving children NO and HELL No but I am also damn tired of paying for those who just keep breeding to get more money.

 

[user 6493]

Why do you point your fingers at the people that have absolutely nothing to do with bringing these children into the world, are not related to them and have no obligation to support these children? Where is your indignation at the parents that continue to breed children, when they can't support their current families. Where is your demand that these parents be sterilized to prevent more dead children? Why are you not demanding that the children be removed from parents that continue to breed but can't support their children? You appear to be demanding other people pay for and continue to support the mistakes of people not willing to be responsible for their personal life choices. Do I want starving children NO and HELL No but I am also damn tired of paying for those who just keep breeding to get more money.

you are just talking about those who exploit the system,,,there is a hell of a lot more to it than that, many are in the system out of desperation not because they are lazy and don't want to work

but no one here cares about that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,you just want to whine about it

 

[TexasFreedom]

you are just talking about those who exploit the system,,,there is a hell of a lot more to it than that, many are in the system out of desperation not because they are lazy and don't want to work
but no one here cares about that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,you just want to whine about it

GG,
We have address it over and over but you do not see the written word.

We have charities that we support and those organizations help countless people. You asked me who I've helped this week, and I told you I'm hiring a recovering addict and dropped $100 at a church that's not even 'my' church two days ago. What have you done this week to help others?

Our issue is with FORCED theft to support those who the gov't chooses to support. We have no issue (at least some of us) with giving plenty to help others. Are you getting this?

 

[lonewolf]

the trouble with welfare is not so much the amount each person gets as that is reasonably low, at least in the UK it is, its that most people do not know how to budget or prioritise, most benefits in the UK aren't paid out until anything up to 12 weeks after the person applies and by then they are in debt already just trying to live and it just goes on from there.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Many of us give to local charities and other people in need. Like we've all been saying, most of us don't have a problem with helping those truly in need. What we do have problem with is the government forcing us to support a wasteful system that rewards people to stay on welfare.
I've always maintained that charity begins at home. Over the last few weeks I helped my daughter buy a Jeep so that she can start a new rural postal delivery job. I hired a lawyer for my bil so that he can divorce his abusive wife. I've also donated hams, frozen chickens and eggs to the senior center.
I just wonder how charitable those people are that support spending other people's money on welfare.

 

[lonewolf]

what annoys me is the amount of "food bank" use, I mean nobody puts any food back whilst their working? a few cans each time would amount to quite a larder over a reasonably short time, but oh no! like I say its always someone else's job isn't it?

 

[TexasFreedom]

the trouble with welfare is not so much the amount each person gets as that is reasonably low, at least in the UK it is, its that most people do not know how to budget or prioritise, most benefits in the UK aren't paid out until anything up to 12 weeks after the person applies and by then they are in debt already just trying to live and it just goes on from there.

I'm with you on the inefficiencies when dealing with gov't. It doesn't matter if you talk about a person needing financial assistance & getting it 12 weeks later, or you call 9-1-1 and the police show up an hour later.

Instead look at how charities work. Just this afternoon I was talking with my pastor about emergency-services our church is involved in. Whether hurricanes, floods, fires, etc. My FIL volunteered on a church food truck that could prepare over 10,000 meals a day. Historically charities are always faster and more efficient than gov't services at helping people.

Oh, and note that all of this private/individual charity is done above and beyond what is stolen from us to be used in gov't welfare. A problem I have with 'food stamps' (or whatever they call it now) here in the US is that there is no budgeting or prioritizing. People trade it for drugs. They buy junk food with it. They use it as a way-of-life, rather than a hand-up temporary assistance.

 

[user 6493]

GG,
We have address it over and over but you do not see the written word.

We have charities that we support and those organizations help countless people. You asked me who I've helped this week, and I told you I'm hiring a recovering addict and dropped $100 at a church that's not even 'my' church two days ago. What have you done this week to help others?

Our issue is with FORCED theft to support those who the gov't chooses to support. We have no issue (at least some of us) with giving plenty to help others. Are you getting this?

apparently you must not either,,have you noticed how those who are on welfare are talked about here,,,it is insulting,they are not scum, not worthy of the same air the rest of us breath,,,they are people just like you,the difference is they are in a bad situation and need help,the feds give that help some here begrudge it and resort to calling them lazy among other things,,,,go back and read some of the post and what they are called,,,,,how would you take some of the things said here on this thread

there are those who milk the system and many who are in it because they have no choice,,,yet here they are lumped all together and all of you should be able to see that,,,yet you don't or you don't want to

 

[user 6493]

GG,
We have address it over and over but you do not see the written word.

We have charities that we support and those organizations help countless people. You asked me who I've helped this week, and I told you I'm hiring a recovering addict and dropped $100 at a church that's not even 'my' church two days ago. What have you done this week to help others?

Our issue is with FORCED theft to support those who the gov't chooses to support. We have no issue (at least some of us) with giving plenty to help others. Are you getting this?

I see on here all the time the whining about welfare,,,,,what burns me up is the money gave to other countries and will never be repaid,,,year after year,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it has to rival the cost of welfare yet I rarely see any rants about that


WHY IS THAT

 

[Mountain trapper]

I see on here all the time the whining about welfare,,,,,what burns me up is the money gave to other countries and will never be repaid,,,year after year,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it has to rival the cost of welfare yet I rarely see any rants about that


WHY IS THAT

You hear it from me GG. I think ALL forms of welfare should be stopped: corporate, foreign aid, UN, etc.
Charities can and do feed those that truly need help.
BTW, it isn't "whining" when we're talking about money being stolen from our families and given out to others.

 

[Brent S]

There is no doubt there are many who spend their lives scamming the system to get around having to work for a living. I still think there are many who need help, either mentally or physically, that really doesn't matter. We are all human beings and should have some compassion for each other. I think there are many social programs that could be cut out, but food is a basic need we all have. I have no problem with our taxes being used for it. As far as churches being primarily in charge of helping people, I don’t trust many of them enough to care for anyone that’s not following their type of faith. So, basically I feel we could cut other government waste but not food programs.

 

[tmttactical]

Semi-daughter in law(not married to step son) has 5 kids and been on welfare since the birth of the first one. Still receiving government assistance. Could not feed and house the first without government assistance and had 4 more.

It always amazes me that when you ask somebody why they feel they are entitled to government assistance, they never answer and always divert to the children or those disabled or the seniors or the vet but never ever explain why all the others should have help. Children need food, put the parents on notice, find a job or lose the children. Nobody ever explains why any able'd bodied person is entitled to assistance.

 

[TexasFreedom]

apparently you must not either,,have you noticed how those who are on welfare are talked about here,,,it is insulting,they are not scum, not worthy of the same air the rest of us breath,,,they are people just like you,the difference is they are in a bad situation and need help,the feds give that help some here begrudge it and resort to calling them lazy among other things,,,,go back and read some of the post and what they are called,,,,,how would you take some of the things said here on this thread

there are those who milk the system and many who are in it because they have no choice,,,yet here they are lumped all together and all of you should be able to see that,,,yet you don't or you don't want to

I think GG has a point in there. I'm guilty as one who lumps the short-term needy and the long-term freeloaders together. But the welfare system does that, and it all falls under 'welfare'. But saying that I want to end govt-funded welfare does not mean I am against helping people.

I'm with you also on funding foreign countries. Some of it 'buys' influence. And to some degree there is some value there. But far too much goes to far too many places. But compared to all of welfare, I suspect international funding is far less than welfare.

Brent, I've been involved in countless church-related charitable events. The beliefs of the individuals does not matter at all. Christian, muslim, pagan, you name it. And nobody said that churches would exclusively be in charge? All faiths can choose to be involved as much or as little as they want, and non-faith charities (like the Clinton Foundation! oh wait...) are welcome too.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Where's the "compassion" for the hard working person that could use the money for his own family, but it's taken by the government and given to someone else? There's a word for people who like spending other people's money; socialist.
Some people seem to have a problem with charities too because they assume that all charities are run by churches. Are you serious? So what? They aren't, but a truly hungary person shouldn't be so choosy. And the money is freely given.

 

[user 6493]

Semi-daughter in law(not married to step son) has 5 kids and been on welfare since the birth of the first one. Still receiving government assistance. Could not feed and house the first without government assistance and had 4 more.

It always amazes me that when you ask somebody why they feel they are entitled to government assistance, they never answer and always divert to the children or those disabled or the seniors or the vet but never ever explain why all the others should have help. Children need food, put the parents on notice, find a job or lose the children. Nobody ever explains why any able'd bodied person is entitled to assistance.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe the cost is higher than welfare





How much do you get per child for foster care?
The basic foster care rates currently range from $657 to $820 per month, depending on the age of the child. For children who have special requirements, there is a specialized care increment, ranging from $79 up to $840 per month, determined by the child's social worker.

 

[Brent S]

Semi-daughter in law(not married to step son) has 5 kids and been on welfare since the birth of the first one. Still receiving government assistance. Could not feed and house the first without government assistance and had 4 more.

It always amazes me that when you ask somebody why they feel they are entitled to government assistance, they never answer and always divert to the children or those disabled or the seniors or the vet but never ever explain why all the others should have help. Children need food, put the parents on notice, find a job or lose the children. Nobody ever explains why any able'd bodied person is entitled to assistance.

I agree there is way too much abuse and waste in the system. I’m all in for reform and better management of the system. It is wrong that the vast majority of people that have multiple kids are not able to provide for them.

 

[Brent S]

I think GG has a point in there. I'm guilty as one who lumps the short-term needy and the long-term freeloaders together. But the welfare system does that, and it all falls under 'welfare'. But saying that I want to end govt-funded welfare does not mean I am against helping people.

I'm with you also on funding foreign countries. Some of it 'buys' influence. And to some degree there is some value there. But far too much goes to far too many places. But compared to all of welfare, I suspect international funding is far less than welfare.

Brent, I've been involved in countless church-related charitable events. The beliefs of the individuals does not matter at all. Christian, muslim, pagan, you name it. And nobody said that churches would exclusively be in charge? All faiths can choose to be involved as much or as little as they want, and non-faith charities (like the Clinton Foundation! oh wait...) are welcome too.

I am certain there are good churches out there, just as I’m certain there are ones that would only help ‘with strings attatched’. It’s just easy to lump things together into a catageory. There are always individuals that stand out.

 

[TexasFreedom]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe the cost is higher than welfare
How much do you get per child for foster care?
The basic foster care rates currently range from $657 to $820 per month, depending on the age of the child. For children who have special requirements, there is a specialized care increment, ranging from $79 up to $840 per month, determined by the child's social worker.

Wow. So taking a child away from their parent(s) should be based on which option costs less to the gov't? And I'm the one called 'heartless' and with no 'compassion'?

I agree there is way too much abuse and waste in the system. I’m all in for reform and better management of the system. It is wrong that the vast majority of people that have multiple kids are not able to provide for them.

I agree there is massive waste & theft within govt welfare. BTW, I don't think a 'vast majority' of people with multiple kids are not providing for the kids. Any references for that statement? I'm curious.

 

[Brent S]

Wow. So taking a child away from their parent(s) should be based on which option costs less to the gov't? And I'm the one called 'heartless' and with no 'compassion'?



I agree there is massive waste & theft within govt welfare. BTW, I don't think a 'vast majority' of people with multiple kids are not providing for the kids. Any references for that statement? I'm curious.

Just from my limited personal observations. Everyone I know that is educated and working towards that so called American Dream is having one or two kids, knowing they can provide better with a smaller family. Most of the women I have seen having 4 or 5 kids are poor, don’t have a decent career and multiple fathers. Is this a scientific study, no. Is this even a fair representation across the country, no. Is this even politically correct to say, hell no. But is representative of what I have personally seen in my lifetime.