The Fall of Hospitals

[DrHenley]

Let's put it this way, my Insurance company gladly paid in full for months of semiweekly treatments by the Chiropractor without a quibble.
And they love to quibble!

 

[Kevin L]

Let's put it this way, my Insurance company gladly paid in full for months of semiweekly treatments by the Chiropractor without a quibble.
And they love to quibble!

If it works for you, then that's good.

I just get concerned about the idea of a chiropractor causing people to have strokes.

 

[DrJenner]

If it works for you, then that's good.

I just get concerned about the idea of a chiropractor causing people to have strokes.

My concern is the untrained cowboy/cowgirl chiropractor who doesn’t know what they don’t know - and does something unsafe. It happens quite a bit unfortunately.
Again, I always see the worst of the worst so there’s that…

 

[Kevin L]

My concern is the untrained cowboy/cowgirl chiropractor who doesn’t know what they don’t know - and does something unsafe. It happens quite a bit unfortunately.
Again, I always see the worst of the worst so there’s that…

I see the worst . . . I was--after all--a paramedic for 11 1/2 years in South Florida.

 

[Dani]

My hunny had blown disks, yes a couple, years ago that had to require surgery. In fact he has had 1 neck surgery and a couple back surgeries since, He is still in pain, some days worse than others and doctors will not touch him anymore, probably due to age. He will be 70 this coming November, but he does not "act" his age at all. The only comfort he was getting was from a chiropractor, which helped some, but was not anything that lasted long. He even tried doing acupuncture. Now he just lives with his neck and shoulder issues. Some nights he sleeps and others he does not sleep very well at all. Oh how I know,

 

[Kevin L]

My hunny had blown disks, yes a couple, years ago that had to require surgery. In fact he has had 1 neck surgery and a couple back surgeries since, He is still in pain, some days worse than others and doctors will not touch him anymore, probably due to age. He will be 70 this coming November, but he does not "act" his age at all. The only comfort he was getting was from a chiropractor, which helped some, but was not anything that lasted long. He even tried doing acupuncture. Now he just lives with his neck and shoulder issues. Some nights he sleeps and others he does not sleep very well at all. Oh how I know,

I'm sorry . . . but consider the Biospine Institute. They are minimally invasive, and everyone says great things about them.

https://www.biospine.com/

 

[DrJenner]

I see the worst . . . I was--after all--a paramedic for 11 1/2 years in South Florida.

Lol I can’t even imagine

 

[Dani]

I'm sorry . . . but consider the Biospine Institute. They are minimally invasive, and everyone says great things about them.

https://www.biospine.com/

I will share this with him. At this point I think anything may help him. I am just thankful we just got rid of 7 cows in the last couple week which makes my life easier when I need to go feed the cows. Only 3 in the back and 2 in the front pastures. The ground is not getting so many hoof prints that can go down which makes it difficult to walk on. A couple weeks ago I had to go out to get Jake for his walk and fell on my butt. Yes, hunny laughed.

 

[Proud Prepper]

My concern is the untrained cowboy/cowgirl chiropractor who doesn’t know what they don’t know - and does something unsafe. It happens quite a bit unfortunately.
Again, I always see the worst of the worst so there’s that…

Not anymore often than MDs.

 

[user 7000]

I see the worst . . . I was--after all--a paramedic for 11 1/2 years in South Florida.

Ten years in...wait for it...Detroit.

 

[DrHenley]

Again, looking at how the Insurance companies view chiropractors, malpractice insurance for MDs is something like twenty times as much as for chiropractors. That right there tells you all you need to know!

 

[DrJenner]

Again, looking at how the Insurance companies view chiropractors, malpractice insurance for MDs is something like twenty times as much as for chiropractors. That right there tells you all you need to know!

Because they do surgery as well. Physician/surgeon is different than chiropractors.
Biggest insurance is OB GYN - patients can sue you up to 18 years after a kid is born.

 

[DrHenley]

Because they do surgery as well.

Exactly!

 

[Kevin L]

Ten years in...wait for it...Detroit.

Detroit is pretty hardcore . . . but Miami during the tail end of the Cocaine Wars wasn't a picnic either.

I've been shot at, stabbed, taken hostage, and was a relief worker with the Red Cross after Hurricane Andrew.

I sometimes wonder why I'm still alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Drug_War
At least we know why I became an alcoholic (since recovered).

 

[Dani]

@Kevin L After all that I do have to wonder why you still felt complied doing what you do?

 

[Kevin L]

@Kevin L After all that I do have to wonder why you still felt complied doing what you do?

So I can make a difference.

I'd like to think that most people want their life to have meaning.

I was mostly doing EKG work at home and in the hospital, and when the epidemic came along, I believed that everyone with valid credentials--in any discipline--needed to jump back into hospital work . . . given the magnitude of the sheer numbers of patients.

 

[Helen Back]

@Kevin L, @radiogoon, and @DrJenner, C'mon, now, you have amazing experiences. Please share some of the wildest. I was a bouncer downtown Portland, and in L.A. for years and saw some pretty wild things, but NOTHING compared to you folks. How about some levity?

And thank you for your work!

 

[Brent S]

External manipulation has always scared me. I worked with orthopedic surgery and we always had clear images before going in and doing anything. Some chiropractors will do blind adjustments without an X-ray. That’s just asking for trouble in my view.

 

[Kevin L]

@Kevin L, @radiogoon, and @DrJenner, C'mon, now, you have amazing experiences. Please share some of the wildest. I was a bouncer downtown Portland, and in L.A. for years and saw some pretty wild things, but NOTHING compared to you folks. How about some levity?

And thank you for your work!

Thank you for recognizing my work.

 

[EastenerWesterner]

Thank you for recognizing my work.

I don’t think there is anyone here that doesn’t appreciate medical workers work. Same with Police, Firefighters or any first responders.
We may disagree on the problem and cause of your stress, but we do feel for you in this mess.

 

[Kevin L]

I don’t think there is anyone here that doesn’t appreciate medical workers work. Same with Police, Firefighters or any first responders.
We may disagree on the problem and cause of your stress, but we do feel for you in this mess.

Thank you.

I've seen more people die in the past year than I ever saw in 4 years of EMS work.

 

[EastenerWesterner]

Thank you.

I've seen more people die in the past year than I ever saw in 4 years of EMS work.

I was VFD for 20 yrs and a Chief, I understand you

 

[Kevin L]

I was VFD for 20 yrs and a Chief, I understand you

Thank you.

 

[DrHenley]

Are there some chiropractor horror stories? Sure. But for every chiropractor horror story I can give you 100 medical doctor horror stories.

 

[Kevin L]

Are there some chiropractor horror stories? Sure. But for every chiropractor horror story I can give you 100 medical doctor horror stories.

I never condemned all chiropractors or all chiropractic care.

I just have reservations about neck manipulation that don't apply to the rest of the body.

 

[Kevin L]

I am guessing you are talking about this:

83,000 hospital workers could be fired under N.Y. vaccine mandate
83,000 hospital workers could be fired under N.Y. vaccine mandate (msn.com)

Why do you think that is? Why do you think 83,000 medical professionals in a democrat state do NOT want to take the vaccine? The democrats like to call people who do not want the vaccine idiots, anti-vaxxers, neanderthals, etc. These are medical professionals who have to work with people who actually have covid, and they DO NOT want the vaccine.

I found out some things which shed light on some of the anti-vaxxers issues.

I was completely unaware--until recently--that some COVID vaccines are derived from research and biological materials that came from electively aborted fetuses.

I am not a "right to life" person--and I support a woman's right to have an elective abortion--but I understand why people have religious and ethical concerns about abortion, and I'm intensely sympathetic toward their position . . . even if I disagree with them.

So, it seems that a percentage of anti-vaxxers are concerned that they're condoning abortion by getting the vaccine . . . and they don't want to play a part in the "murder of pre-birth babies."

So, I--flat out--don't have an answer.

In the not-too-distant-past, people would consider me to be subhuman because of my mixed Jewish and Native American ancestory . . . or deserving of euthanasia because I'm autistic (there was the Nazi phrase "Life that is unworthy of life" which was used to justify "racial hygiene"). See below links--if you're inclined--so that you can examine my points in their context:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life
What are your thoughts?

 

[DrJenner]

I never condemned all chiropractors or all chiropractic care.

I just have reservations about neck manipulation that don't apply to the rest of the body.

Same here. I've seen plenty of doctor mess ups too. That happens a lot as well.

 

[Kevin L]

Same here. I've seen plenty of doctor mess ups too. That happens a lot as well.

Thank you for validating my concerns.

 

[DrJenner]

I don’t think there is anyone here that doesn’t appreciate medical workers work. Same with Police, Firefighters or any first responders.
We may disagree on the problem and cause of your stress, but we do feel for you in this mess.

Thank you. Had people outside picketing our ER. We are seeing increased violence towards healthcare workers inside the hospital walls. Absolutely despicable.

 

[DrJenner]

@Kevin L, @radiogoon, and @DrJenner, C'mon, now, you have amazing experiences. Please share some of the wildest. I was a bouncer downtown Portland, and in L.A. for years and saw some pretty wild things, but NOTHING compared to you folks. How about some levity?

And thank you for your work!

Ok for levity sake (and stop reading here if you're easily offended)

During my ER rotations -
Had an older couple come into the ER - complaining of squeaking/pain with intercourse. They were in their 70's. Vaginal exam revealed....a penguin squeak toy up there! Needless to say it got cleaned and into the drawer that was labeled "weird things pulled out of orifices" Later that year it went on a going away cake for the attending that had fished it out of there.

Another largely overweight couple came in and complained that they couldn't have sex because they couldn't fit together. (I kid you not - this is an ER visit). My attending walked in, said "stop having sex" and walked out. Discharge papers 4 minutes later.