Thoughts on human euthanasia....

[Canon29]

**** no.

You have a right to kill yourself- its evil but you have the right. That being said, giving the medical industry and the insurance industry a foothold in that option is a retarded move.

 

[Amish Heart]

I think the more human life is devalued here in the US it'll open up the euthanasia law that's in Canada to here. I know there is alot said already about the elderly in the US and not wasting medical resources because they are "old enough" already. Wondering if that line is crossed, and of course abortions are acceptable in many states because of "womens health", and that's murder, maybe next will be euthanizing disabled people, down syndrome people, cripples. I hope it never comes to that.

 

[elkhound]

had a dr. friend in hospice...she said they told old and/or sick if they are ready to go just stop eating and you be gone shortly.

about morphine....its used to speed up death..it shuts organs down...per dr.'s and nurses i talked with and know in real life.

 

[sonya123]

No. I think it's the same as suicide. In my opinion both are wrong.

why do you think suicide is wrong? Just wondering....
I am thinking if you kill yourself and leave behind a bunch of responsibilities like young kids or pets or a spouse, it's a chicken way out and you shouldn't do it, but if you are old and sick, why not? Nobody benefits from you staying alive at that point that at all except the greedy hospitals and nursing homes

 

[teeceetx]

All well and good, but we all know benevolent things have a habit of turning malevolent!

There would of course be abuses.

Who gets to decide life or death if the patient is unable to grant permission?

This is very dangerous territory.

 

[elkhound]

why do you think suicide is wrong? Just wondering....
I am thinking if you kill yourself and leave behind a bunch of responsibilities like young kids or pets or a spouse, it's a chicken way out and you shouldn't do it, but if you are old and sick, why not? Nobody benefits from you staying alive at that point that at all except the greedy hospitals and nursing homes

springboarding off your comments nothing else....what if your loved one...say grandchild loves you so much and they trying to hold on for every moment with you because they worship the ground grandma walks on....holding on to give that other person the last hours,days,weeks or months of life might be priceless to them.....be clear i have no real answers for this subject...its to personal and huge mixed emotions from both ends of it...just various thoughts about it..

i was headed to job site one spring and running late...i just couldnt drive past my great uncles house knowing how sick he was i stopped....he was sick in bed with cancer...we visited awhile...when i left he hugged me and told me he was proud of me and all the things i was doing in the big wild places...last words were catch a bunch of fish for us...he died a few weeks later on my birthday....i caught fish like nobodys business too...one trip i caught so many it was all i could do to carry them on my shoulders on a long pole....for myself and uncle !

 

[Tirediron]

If you read @Binky 's description of the maids procedure, the patient needs to prove that they are capable of making the decision before hand, I had a friend who got improperly treated for cancer, got the second round which ended up putting him in ridicules pain, beyond what the strongest pain meds that would leave him somewhat cognizant could handle. he shared the decision and details with me. Why any one would think it is OK for someone terminal to suffer is beyond me.
On the flip side, A doctor or politicial or anyone else should never have the power to make that decision, in which case it would be SCARY, of course Chemical companies have be slow rolling killing people for decade, and people co operate.

 

[Mountain trapper]

why do you think suicide is wrong? Just wondering....
I am thinking if you kill yourself and leave behind a bunch of responsibilities like young kids or pets or a spouse, it's a chicken way out and you shouldn't do it, but if you are old and sick, why not? Nobody benefits from you staying alive at that point that at all except the greedy hospitals and nursing homes

In most cases I feel that suicide is the cowards way out.
I've only given this subject maybe 5 minutes of thought, and every case is different. It's easy for any of us to sit here and say what we'd do in these situations, but we really won't know for sure until the time comes.

 

[sonya123]

springboarding off your comments nothing else....what if your loved one...say grandchild loves you so much and they trying to hold on for every moment with you because they worship the ground grandma walks on....holding on to give that other person the last hours,days,weeks or months of life might be priceless to them.....be clear i have no real answers for this subject...its to personal and huge mixed emotions from both ends of it...just various thoughts about it..

I think that would be very selfish. I would not want my loved one to suffer any longer than they wanted to and would totally be ok with them not staying alive. My grandmother and mother both suffered A LOT at the end, and my grandmother continued to say she wished she was dead and even refused to eat but they kept her alive anyway until her legs got gangrene and my parents had to sign a form saying they did not wish to amputate her legs and let her die ( she was 96 at that age) and I am thinking to myself, oh hell no, I am so not getting to that point....
Pearl made a very good point, why do we put animals out of their misery and not humans? Especially if they WISH to die. My grandmother did not have the option to do it herself, she was paralyzed after a stroke and couldn't walk.

 

[Supervisor42]

I think the more human life is devalued here in the US it'll open up the euthanasia law that's in Canada to here. I know there is alot said already about the elderly in the US and not wasting medical resources because they are "old enough" already. Wondering if that line is crossed, and of course abortions are acceptable in many states because of "womens health", and that's murder, maybe next will be euthanizing disabled people, down syndrome people, cripples. I hope it never comes to that.

I think Canada's law went one step too far to not only include terminally-ill people, but also people who scream:
"My life sux and always will, and I want out!! "
Canada: "That's a medical procedure, don't try to do it yourself and screw it up. We can painlessly take you to the exit-door".
(Remember, most citizens don't have guns there.)

 

[elkhound]

I think that would be very selfish. I would not want my loved one to suffer any longer than they wanted to and would totally be ok with them not staying alive. My grandmother and mother both suffered A LOT at the end, and my grandmother continued to say she wished she was dead and even refused to eat but they kept her alive anyway until her legs got gangrene and my parents had to sign a form saying they did not wish to amputate her legs and let her die ( she was 96 at that age) and I am thinking to myself, oh hell no, I am so not getting to that point....
Pearl made a very good point, why do we put animals out of their misery and not humans? Especially if they WISH to die. My grandmother did not have the option to do it herself, she was paralyzed after a stroke and couldn't walk.

totally get that.....my previous post was mostly geared towards the very young loved one..not adults dealing with adults...to be clear...i get every ones post in this thread...i have no answers....sometimes we think we might till we get to that point only to find out our reaction and previous decision has changed and we go with another decision....somethings we just dont know till the time comes...i support others to do their will...but draw the line at govt or corporation making a decision for me...me and family and friends will decide.

 

[sonya123]

I have my personal convictions of what I consider right and wrong. What I consider is God's plan and what I consider adverse to God's will.

But I would not force another person to submit to my convictions. FWIW, my conviction on forcing a conviction on others - is that such force is wrong itself. This is against what is taught in my religion BTW. The force option presides there, although every thing is done to disguise it as not being force. It's not truly force, more like mental coercion I'd say.

I agree with you once again! It is not someone else's business what you do with your body! If you believe in God ( I don't) , then let HIM/her/it be the judge!!! YOU ( general, not you ) are not the judge of me! As long as I am not hurting you it is not your business.
That is one of those things about most religions that really irritates me. I don't care what anyone else believes, but don't force me to believe the same thing. Whatever happened to seperating church and state?

 

[sonya123]

..i support others to do their will...but draw the line at govt or corporation making a decision for me...me and family and friends will decid

.what if you don't have any relatives and have a stroke and are paralyzed ? Your only option would be to ask someone to put you out of your misery. A lot of people seem to think that the government and hospitals will kill you against your will, but I think it is the opposite. They won't make anymore money if you are dead! They keep you alive as long as possible and cash in on your suffereing! THAT is evil imo

btw my plan if that happens to me is for my husband or kids to take me some place where it is legal to be put out of my misery like Switzerland or Canada, or Belgium
If they don't do it, I will haunt them as a ghost

 

[Magus]

How about this? You let someone come in and inject your IV with something that will kill you painlessly in thirty minutes, in that time you have a chance to get right or squeeze an antidote button. You didn't kill yourself, but you didn't save yourself either, it's like not eating and drinking really.

Then there is this tradition:
A sin-eater was someone who ate food placed near a corpse to take on the deceased person's sins. The ritual was believed to help the deceased's soul enter the afterlife without their sins.

Family and friends would gather around the deceased Bread or pastry was placed on the deceased's face or chest The food, along with beer and money, was passed to the sin-eater
The sin-eater ate the food and drank the beer.

There is a tradition from both Christian and Pagan sources, One being, that if you die too quickly your life lesson might not carry over properly and you have to relive this life over.

In Christianity, the supposed gift of life comes from god, and throwing it away is an insult.
I see a bit of both, but if I'm in a fire with no possible way out or dying of cancer, I'm pulling the fast eject switch.

 

[Shawn Burkett]

Do I believe in euthanasia? Not really. However I had a cousin who died of brain cancer. From what I've heard, the end was pretty painful despite the fact that he had control of his morphine drip. There just wasn't enough pain meds to ease his pain. I could not have just stood by while he was suffering so much. Thankfully I'll never know what I 'would' have done. Or could have done. Hopefully I'll never be in that situation. If there was a way to make it so it's only the person suffering who has to decide, it seems like the best way. Like what y'all said Canada does.

 

[Supervisor42]

Why cause who ever wrote the bible said you shouldn't. I really DO NOT understand why people are so Against putting someone out of their misery, we do it for animals, why not humans.

Yes, it is hard to believe that we are more humane and compassionate to our pets than our family members.
...But that is the world we live in today.

 

[Neb]

Yes, it is hard to believe that we are more humane and compassionate to our pets than our family members.
...But that is the world we live in today.

Pets are property. Family members are not.

Ben

 

[Amish Heart]

Been discussing this thread with husband the last few days, and talking about how everyone feels. He has asked me twice to end it for him, and I couldn't and I wouldn't. He knows that, and is now glad that I didn't.

 

[Pearl]

Pets are property. Family members are not.

Ben

My animals are more family than my family!!

 

[Binky]

I think Canada's law went one step too far to not only include terminally-ill people, but also people who scream:
"My life sux and always will, and I want out!! "
Canada: "That's a medical procedure, don't try to do it yourself and screw it up. We can painlessly take you to the exit-door".
(Remember, most citizens don't have guns there.)

What in God's name are you talking about? Do you have some verifiable evidence to back that up? Medical assistance in dying is only for people who are experiencing intolerable suffering due to a grievous and irremediable (incurable) medical illness. Did you even bother to read the link I posted for what the laws are? Or have you been dipping again into too much of the Kool-aid?

Read it Supe, and don't go telling libelous garbage like that to people if you want to maintain credibility with them.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/.../end-of-life-care/medical-assistance-in-dying

 

[Supervisor42]

What in God's name are you talking about? Do you have some verifiable evidence to back that up? Medical assistance in dying is only for people who are experiencing intolerable suffering due to a grievous and irremediable (incurable) medical illness. Did you even bother to read the link I posted for what the laws are? Or have you been dipping again into too much of the Kool-aid?

Read it Supe, and don't go telling libelous garbage like that to people if you want to maintain credibility with them.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/.../end-of-life-care/medical-assistance-in-dying

Eligibility:

• MAiD became legal in June 2016 for people whose death was expected soon.
• In March 2021, the law was amended to include people with grievous and irremediable conditions, even if their death wasn't expected.

Wiki: "The intensity and breadth of Canada's MAID program has led to condemnation of its program by UN human rights experts and disability rights groups in Canada It has also been the subject of substantial international attention and criticism. Human rights advocates have criticized Canada's euthanasia laws for lacking safeguards, devaluing the lives of disabled people, prompting health workers and doctors to suggest euthanasia to people who would not otherwise consider it, and killing people who were not receiving adequate government support to continue living.

 

[Binky]

Eligibility:

• MAiD became legal in June 2016 for people whose death was expected soon.
• In March 2021, the law was amended to include people with grievous and irremediable conditions, even if their death wasn't expected.

I'm not seeing that in the website that I provided. Where did you get your information from? Is it from some different website? If it is please produce the link to the other website.

How is it possible for anybody's death to not be expected? All deaths are expected for everybody.

 

[Supervisor42]

I'm not seeing that in the website that I provided. Where did you get your information from? Is it from some different website? If it is please produce the link to the other website.

How is it possible for anybody's death to not be expected? All deaths are expected for everybody.

I updated my post to include a quote from Wikipedia.
Keep drinking your Canadian propaganda Kool-Aid.....but don't make the guvment really mad at you!

 

[Binky]

I updated my post to include a quote from Wikipedia.

Thank you. That link says "reasonably foreseeable". It does not say "expected". Expected and foreseeable do not mean the same thing.

 

[jazzy]

my concern is that once euthanasia is normalized as a medical treatment then it will open the door to those inpower to decide who has to be euthanized. the nazis and communists 'euthanixed' the mentally ill. now in canada it is a part of the medical programs---last year i read about a woman--former mil--was in a wheelchair permanently disabled and needed help fixing the ramp on her porch. the gov programs kept stalling and finally told her it would be better is she considered the euthanasia program.

thats what govts will do--use it as a way to get rid of elderly, disabled, ill, mentally damaged, depressed==all those they will see no onger productive or useful and using up resources others cna use. the euthanasia pods are already being pushed in EU and experimented with.

thats what happens.

 

[Hardcalibres]

When I figure I have reached my use by date, I am going to get my family to dress me up in a dog costume and take me to the vet.

They only charge like fifty bucks.......and all I have to do is wimper and bark a few times.......which should be easy if I really am dying.

 

[Canon29]

When I figure I have reached my use by date, I am going to get my family to dress me up in a dog costume and take me to the vet.

They only charge like fifty bucks.......and all I have to do is wimper and bark a few times.......which should easy if I really am dying.

More like $300 nowadays- a co-worker just reported that to me last week.

Really, i mean if you're dressing up like a dog a 9mm round is like 20 cents in the backyard. Hell a .22 should work if youre really trying to be cheap about it

 

[Hardcalibres]

More like $300 nowadays- a co-worker just reported that to me last week.

Really, i mean if you're dressing up like a dog a 9mm round is like 20 cents in the backyard. Hell a .22 should work if youre really trying to be cheap about it

Yep - one way or another, the dog costume plan has to be cheaper than anything involving people hospitals.

 

[Supervisor42]

my concern is that once euthanasia is normalized as a medical treatment then it will open the door to those inpower to decide who has to be euthanized. the nazis and communists 'euthanixed' the mentally ill. now in canada it is a part of the medical programs---last year i read about a woman--former mil--was in a wheelchair permanently disabled and needed help fixing the ramp on her porch. the gov programs kept stalling and finally told her it would be better is she considered the euthanasia program.
Thats what govts will do--use it as a way to get rid of elderly, disabled, ill, mentally damaged, depressed==all those they will see no onger productive or useful and using up resources others cna use. the euthanasia pods are already being pushed in EU and experimented with.

They have those in Switzerland. No painful needle-stick! :
https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/article/suicide-pod-switzerland-sarko-mark-smith-kzf3zwmgc

Get your ticket to the afterlife today!!!

It was a one-way ticket to Switzerland, then the afterlife. At 4pm on Monday, a 64-year-old American woman with an immune condition lay down inside the Sarco, a sleek, Dutch-designed conveyance that wouldn’t look out of place in an expensive fitness studio or a Tesla showroom, answered a few questions on a screen, then pressed a button that introduced gas into the sealed chamber, ending her life in seconds.

The Sarco, short for sarcophagus, can also be voice-activated, so that physically incapacitated individuals can achieve suicide. Its inventor, a retired Australian physician known as Dr Death for his decades-long place at the vanguard of the right-to-die movement, tweeted on Monday that the (unnamed) American woman “had had an idyllic, peaceful death in a Swiss forest”.

 

[Haertig]

... the (unnamed) American woman “had had an idyllic, peaceful death in a Swiss forest”

Unlike this guy, who must have bought the cheaper pod experience with an "idyllic location" that appears to be the back room of an auto parts store.