Train derailment

[DrHenley]

I don't understand people sometimes. Everyone here ******* about the high cost of everything. Everyone ******* about the excessive government control over everything. But when something like this happens everyone starts screaming that there wasn't enough government control. That government needs to start throwing tax payers money around willy-nilly. Some have even suggested that government force every train car in the country to be retrofitted with "new technology" that may not be any better than what is currently in use.

They already had the safety systems installed. There is video of massive sparks and/or flames under the car 20 miles before it derailed. The safety system should have detected it and reported it AND STOPPED THE TRAIN but for some reason it didn't. They think it might have been deliberate sabotage of the safety system by an antifa type.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-train-derailment-video-sparks-flames-well-before/

 

[bill harrell]

Let me know about the "ski resorts" in east Ohio, and hour from Pittsburg. No.

This is a total disaster, probably cost billions to clean. The water tables are poisoned as these heavy toxins sink into the earth.

I think the spill was vinyl cloride, not sure. But, before you decide how toxic it is today, at least 80 percent of us on public utilities probably have our drinking water running through pipes made from it. PVC , stands for polyvinyl chloride. I'm just saying, last week ,it was perfectly safe, now, it's treated like plutonium 13. Maybe I'm wrong , but if that's all it is someone wants us to overreact. Who hasn't burned PVC. Ahhh that sweet sound , zzzzztttt zzzzzztttt zztt zztt. But seen that stinks.

 

[DrHenley]

PVC is made from vinyl chloride but it doesn't resemble it. Polytetroflouroethylene (teflon) is made from tetraflouroethylene and polyethylene is made from ethylene, etc. etc. etc. Most plastics are formed from some toxic chemical that has been polymerized (formed long chains of molecules)

 

[bill harrell]

Well there you have it, all we need is a long chain to pull it out. But burning PVC does stink and burns your eyes like crazy. Loads of fun on a budget . Still toxic chemicals too. Without those kick butt chems you couldn't strafe those evil fire ants effectively. But remember , drink more water, for life.

 

[tmttactical]

They already had the safety systems installed. There is video of massive sparks and/or flames under the car 20 miles before it derailed. The safety system should have detected it and reported it AND STOPPED THE TRAIN but for some reason it didn't. They think it might have been deliberate sabotage of the safety system by an antifa type.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-train-derailment-video-sparks-flames-well-before/

The train was too long and too heavy to stop in time. Here is a video with some additional information on the train. Does not site the cause but does explain what could have happen.

Ohio Train Crash

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

My advice to everyone is to keep your eyes open. Form groups close to you to help. If near a railroad track perhaps put some HIDDEN CAMERAS on them! Antifa is behind this!!!

 

[Mountain trapper]

My advice to everyone is to keep your eyes open. Form groups close to you to help. If near a railroad track perhaps put some HIDDEN CAMERAS on them! Antifa is behind this!!!

Good idea. We'll never know the truth from this corrupt government.

 

[Survivor_316]

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Sure seems like it is an attempt to ruin 1/3 or the world's waters, land, and kill 1/3 of the population lately, doesn't it?

 

[Mountain trapper]

Sure seems like it is an attempt to ruin 1/3 or the world's waters, land, and kill 1/3 of the population lately, doesn't it?

That's one of the reasons we live where we do. Very low population density, no industry (just a couple sawmills), no factorys, no rail lines, no freeways, no farming (just ranches). And did I mention low population density? We're not much of a target for antifa or the WEFers.

 

[bill harrell]

I'm so jealous

 

[DrHenley]

Well there you have it, all we need is a long chain to pull it out. But burning PVC does stink and burns your eyes like crazy. Loads of fun on a budget . Still toxic chemicals too. Without those kick butt chems you couldn't strafe those evil fire ants effectively. But remember , drink more water, for life.

You're right about burning it. That breaks down the molecular chains and it is no longer a polymer. Same thing with teflon, although that takes a higher temperature. But if you burn that teflon coated pan, you are releasing some bad stuff.

 

[DrHenley]

The train was too long and too heavy to stop in time. here is a video with some additional information on the train. Does not lsit the cause but does explain what could have happen.

Ohio Train Crash

Are you saying it takes more than 20 miles to stop a train now?

 

[Survivor_316]

Are you saying it takes more than 20 miles to stop a train now?

Was it really 20 miles? Wow. I didn't see that.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

One report I saw had proof of the wheels ablaze 40 miles prior to the derailment. Why are some calling it a crash?

 

[Survivor_316]

One report I saw had proof of the wheels ablaze 40 miles prior to the derailment. Why are some calling it a crash?

I somehow didn't pick up on that information. I knew the last box either didn't work or was ignored, but I didn't realize it was so far.

 

[DrHenley]

Was it really 20 miles? Wow. I didn't see that.

The video is from a security camera in Salem, OH. About 17 miles as the crow flies, but the tracks don't go in a straight line.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

Unfortunately, I have plenty of family and friends in that area. The news isn’t covering what is going on nearly well enough! There are fish floating in waters everywhere. There are dead pets and livestock dead or very sick. The air is making people choke and their eyes water…as of YESTERDAY!

 

[DrHenley]

I measured it in Google Maps:

 

[DrHenley]

Unfortunately, I have plenty of family and friends in that area. The news isn’t covering what is going on nearly well enough! There are fish floating in waters everywhere. There are dead pets and livestock dead or very sick. The air is making people choke and their eyes water…as of YESTERDAY!

I could not find ONE SINGLE MAP online of where the toxic plume was or what direction it went, or any projection of how far it would go.
This is beyond bizarre.

 

[Oddcaliber]

The words "cover up " comes to mind.

 

[DrHenley]

Something of this magnitude can't be covered up, no matter how hard they try. It's not like it's some village in Africa that gets wiped out by Blackwater. They can't just kill all the witnesses.

 

[Survivor_316]

Unfortunately, I have plenty of family and friends in that area. The news isn’t covering what is going on nearly well enough! There are fish floating in waters everywhere. There are dead pets and livestock dead or very sick. The air is making people choke and their eyes water…as of YESTERDAY!

Yeah, I have heard the same. There are no locals saying it's no big deal, that's for sure.

I could not find ONE SINGLE MAP online of where the toxic plume was or what direction it went, or any projection of how far it would go.
This is beyond bizarre.

I agree. They show us 23 hours of climate change commentary on the Weather Channel each day but can't talk about the wind patterns during a chemical burn off.

We can send aid to New Orleans every few years when a hurricane hits, but we can't help people who have a truly unexpected tragedy occur? Whether we can agree if taxpayer funds should be used for disaster relief, surely it should be equally divided across the country.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

I could not find ONE SINGLE MAP online of where the toxic plume was or what direction it went, or any projection of how far it would go.
This is beyond bizarre.

They are not allowing the people to know much at all! Take a look at this picture of a small stream!

 

[MrLemonade]

I was just giving an example of an area where the property values came back. Yes it took 20+ years, so it was a long term investment that paid off very well for those that were patient.

Sure, and folks restore old junk Mustangs that have particularly high value. The Mustang in Bullitt was found in a scrap yard, restored, and sold for ~$3 million. Nobody restores a old scrap irrelevant car that has no end-state value.

So your "example" is meaningless. Nobody is likely to spend billions of dollars on some low-value Ohio farmland. The EPA is lying to avoid $$$ assistance or help these people and the Feds already denied relief. It's costly cleanup. The location is not "ski-resort" land. It's average low value heartland dirt, probably a few thousands dollars per acre.

No offense to anyone that lives there. I'm from similar areas. It's just the pure evaluation economic view of it. This is a tragedy from every angle.

 

[MrLemonade]

I could not find ONE SINGLE MAP online of where the toxic plume was or what direction it went, or any projection of how far it would go.
This is beyond bizarre.

Saw a news article that it went SE, over W. Virginia.

 

[MrLemonade]

I don't understand people sometimes. Everyone here ******* about the high cost of everything. Everyone ******* about the excessive government control over everything. But when something like this happens everyone starts screaming that there wasn't enough government control. That government needs to start throwing tax payers money around willy-nilly. Some have even suggested that government force every train car in the country to be retrofitted with "new technology" that may not be any better than what is currently in use.
This is all knee jerk reaction. Everything is transported by rail or truck. Just imagine what the cost of everything that we use today would be if all the fixes that people, who know nothing about rail transportation, are "demanding" is implemented.

I don't understand why people speak about things when they have no knowledge and don't even bother researching it.

Having modern safety measures is not only cost effective, it's sensible. Small investments in safety prevent expensive disasters, protect lives, protect the environment, and those investments are spread over so many people they cost almost nothing. Pennys.

Do you think replacing a worn out train axle is more, or less expensive than the billions of dollars this accident will cost to clean up? Seems to me, with 100+ train derailments annually and the fact trains carry such chemicals, we'd spend every penny necessary to ensure safety. These disasters are extremely expensive and bad.

FYI it is the government that is so inept and corrupt that it causes some of these issues. In this case, it's my understanding that the Biden administration interfered with train union labor negotiations making a strike illegal. In December 2022. Now perhaps it's unrelated. But one could make the connection that tired, underpaid, inadequate sick days, understaffed, disgruntled train workers failed to do their jobs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/bid...er-strike-despite-lack-of-paid-sick-days.html

 

[MrLemonade]

I think the spill was vinyl cloride, not sure. But, before you decide how toxic it is today, at least 80 percent of us on public utilities probably have our drinking water running through pipes made from it. PVC , stands for polyvinyl chloride. I'm just saying, last week ,it was perfectly safe, now, it's treated like plutonium 13. Maybe I'm wrong , but if that's all it is someone wants us to overreact. Who hasn't burned PVC.

Given the FACTS that animals and fish are dying suddenly, it's de facto toxic. Regardless of the name.

But we know it's toxic. Chemists and Chemical Engineers have said as much. Further, one of the chemicals is Phosgene. That is reportedly a WWI chemical weapon used in gas attacks. It's lethal.

As to your analogy, I'll drink out of plastic or Styrofoam but that doesn't mean I want to burn it and stand over the fire breathing the toxic gases or liquify it and drink it. I'll wear plastics. I don't want to inhale them.
Teflon is considered safe to cook on when baked onto pans, but the chemical process to make Teflon is very lethal, for instance. Do you seriously not understand chemicals can go thru different stages of safe or unsafe when in different forms or when combined with other chemicals? How is your PVC analogy even sensible?

 

[MrLemonade]

JD Vance suggests the EPA drinks the East Palestine tap water to prove it's safe.

 

[Dani]

The Biden regime has denied help to this community. FEMA is claiming Ohio is “not eligible for assistance at this time.” This is a very small, mainly farmland community that voted over 70% for Trump. So many have don't have the monetary resources and many have no place to go. I really think they are politicizing this.