USD Going digital-Not a conspiracy theory

[bill harrell]

When people demand payments with a card, you need to take your money and leave. Accommodate them. That is basically what they are telling you . They will only accept your business on their terms. Walk, you have still got your money to shop where someone will meet you on your terms. Why enable a person any further when they don't appreciate the fact that YOU are the reason they stay in business.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

When people demand payments with a card, you need to take your money and leave. Accommodate them. That is basically what they are telling you . They will only accept your business on their terms. Walk, you have still got your money to shop where someone will meet you on your terms. Why enable a person any further when they don't appreciate the fact that YOU are the reason they stay in business.

I wonder how much of the "cash only" or "card only" is the register technology? As pointed out, businesses are charged for every card transaction. I have noticed at places like Home Depot and our largest grocery store here called HEB, in their self-check out area, they have registers that take only one or the other.

 

[Survivor_316]

I wonder how much of the "cash only" or "card only" is the register technology? As pointed out, businesses are charged for every card transaction. I have noticed at places like Home Depot and our largest grocery store here called HEB, in their self-check out area, they have registers that take only one or the other.

I meant talking to like minded people to contact representatives and such. I think all our reps/governor are sick of hearing from me. Haha.

It may be with the point of sale systems that it determines that and likely would be increasingly more. Ours and all the options we looked at wouldn't have been able to be modified to not accept cash. But that can always be skirted by just using a register by itself without a POS.

If it ever gets to the point where our POS doesn't allow cash, we would switch. But I really think it would be more of an issue of cash availability than the POS.

If people come and pay cash a lot, we will eventually have to deposit that to pay bills. Once it is taken into banks, they could destroy that currency or send it to be destroyed. Over time, the amount of physical currency would dwindle.

We could pay things like local utilities, insurance, etc. with cash, but those companies would likely then deposit it. And we would need at least some customers to pay debit so we could pay the taxes or buy inventory.

It would put a lot of small businesses out of business to try to juggle those if that happens.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

I meant talking to like minded people to contact representatives and such. I think all our reps/governor are sick of hearing from me. Haha.

It may be with the point of sale systems that it determines that and likely would be increasingly more. Ours and all the options we looked at wouldn't have been able to be modified to not accept cash. But that can always be skirted by just using a register by itself without a POS.

If it ever gets to the point where our POS doesn't allow cash, we would switch. But I really think it would be more of an issue of cash availability than the POS.

If people come and pay cash a lot, we will eventually have to deposit that to pay bills. Once it is taken into banks, they could destroy that currency or send it to be destroyed. Over time, the amount of physical currency would dwindle.

We could pay things like local utilities, insurance, etc. with cash, but those companies would likely then deposit it. And we would need at least some customers to pay debit so we could pay the taxes or buy inventory.

It would put a lot of small businesses out of business to try to juggle those if that happens.

You raise a very good point. It won't matter if we want to use cash for all transactions. Eventually it would end up in a bank that can then take it out of circulation.

I do think bartering either gold, silver, goods or services will be what happens when they go digital.

All of this has reminded me. One thing I have not gotten and will need to get is a test kit.

 

[Survivor_316]

You raise a very good point. It won't matter if we want to use cash for all transactions. Eventually it would end up in a bank that can then take it out of circulation.

I do think bartering either gold, silver, goods or services will be what happens when they go digital.

One thing I have not gotten and will need to get is a test kit.

Oh, good point! I am putting that on my list.

 

[bill harrell]

I say BBW is our motto, bring back wampum.

 

[Helen Back]

Has anyone else considered the reason for getting away from cash is because our youth are now too stupid to make change for a $20? I cannot tell you how often I hand a cashier cash, and they have to study the register to figure out my change. BUT! They can tell me their pronoun, let you know black lives matter, while ALL white's are racist, and repeat the radical left's talking points like gospel, even the ones long ago debunked. When the war goes hot..... face piercings and colored hair to the front of the line...

 

[Oddcaliber]

My shop takes both cash and cards, for now.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I'm fine with the barter system, and with my state using gold and silver coins. We mine a lot of gold and silver in my state.
I support secession 100%, but I'd like to see how effective the Convention of States can be first.

 

[Kevin L]

When I finish my school in a year, I plan to buy up significantamounts of silver and gold coins.

I know people dismiss the idea of using gold and silver during the coming dark days . . . but my argument comes from WWII, where gold and silver saved the lives of many Jewish (and other minority) families through bribery.

There is family lore (from my father's side) that stashed silver and gold was used to finance a hit on a Jewish collaborator who was turning his fellow Jews into the S.S..

On other occasions, gold has been used to buy black market sulfa drugs, to escape the S.S. by "purchasing" a space on a full train and/or boat, and to barter for food in a concentration camp.

One hears many similar stories from the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and from the recent Iraq War . . . where wealthy people crossed national lines simply by having enough gold, precious stones, and jewelry to bribe their way to wherever they wanted to be.

I have also been toying with the idea of stockpiling large amounts of higher-end liqour, as good liqour is a valuable trade item . . . but I haven't decided on this yet.

I was doing it at one point in the past, and changed my mind and gave the booze as a gift to a man who was getting married and having an informal open bar at the reception.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

When I finish my school in a year, I plan to buy up significantamounts of silver and gold coins.

I know people dismiss the idea of using gold and silver during the coming dark days . . . but my argument comes from WWII, where gold and silver saved the lives of many Jewish (and other minority) families through bribery.

There is family lore (from my father's side) that stashed silver and gold was used to finance a hit on a Jewish collaborator who was turning his fellow Jews into the S.S..

On other occasions, gold has been used to buy black market sulfa drugs, to escape the S.S. by "purchasing" a space on a full train and/or boat, and to barter for food in a concentration camp.

One hears many similar stories from the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and from the recent Iraq War . . . where wealthy people crossed national lines simply by having enough gold, precious stones, and jewelry to bribe their way to wherever they wanted to be.

I have also been toying with the idea of stockpiling large amounts of higher-end liqour, as good liqour is a valuable trade item . . . but I haven't decided on this yet.

I was doing it at one point in the past, and changed my mind and gave the booze as a gift to a man who was getting married and having an informal open bar at the reception.

I wouldn't waste money on the high end stuff. People who want it will take any port in a storm, Don't go for the super cheap, but, middle of the road will do: popular brands like Smirnoff, Jack Daniels, Jose Cuervo. It does keep longer than most non-freeze dried foods if properly stored.

My family had small amounts of gold and silver that they traded for food during the Holodomor in Ukraine but, that required going to a government trading post. Their everyday trade was food, mostly gathered; nuts, mushrooms, roots.

 

[EastenerWesterner]

Nope

When I finish my school in a year, I plan to buy up significantamounts of silver and gold coins.

I know people dismiss the idea of using gold and silver during the coming dark days . . . but my argument comes from WWII, where gold and silver saved the lives of many Jewish (and other minority) families through bribery.

I have also been toying with the idea of stockpiling large amounts of higher-end liqour, as good liqour is a valuable trade item . . . but I haven't decided on this yet.

I would stockpile what you like even if it wasn’t high end. Cheap stuff will bring as much as high end.
If it’s what you like, to give it up gives you the value for the barter.

 

[Survivor_316]

Cheap stuff still makes fine medicine when the pharmaceuticals are gone. I don't drink anymore, but I would take a couple of bottles of cheap vodka over something high end because I know when it comes down to it, all I need is a solvent for my herbs.

 

[EastenerWesterner]

Wanted to make lemoncello to use my lemons. Wife says a store has Everclear.
Went and it was 120 proof and it was as much as I paid for real stuff. Last time I Had Everclear it was 190 proof.
Perception is key

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

Cheap stuff still makes fine medicine when the pharmaceuticals are gone. I don't drink anymore, but I would take a couple of bottles of cheap vodka over something high end because I know when it comes down to it, all I need is a solvent for my herbs.

Curious question. What is your favorite herb book?

 

[Survivor_316]

Curious question. What is your favorite herb book?

Oh boy. Opening a can of worms.
I couldn't choose one.
I would say three top favorites: Herbal Antivirals, Herbal Antibiotics, and the Herbal Home Remedy Book. I think between the three of them, they tackle all of the most common illnesses.

I haven't finished Medical Herbalism yet, but it might replace those three when I am done.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

I'll tell you a little story that was passed on to me about how trade sometimes works in bad times...canned food had value during WWII almost like a Fiat currency.

There was this metal can of sardines that someone had gotten from the Russian soldiers. It was passed and traded from person to person in a small village.

It would get traded for shoelaces, or a babushka (head scarf), or a ball of wool thread (to darn socks). Everyone recognized that can and yet, it still, oddly enough, had value despite being three years past its "expiration date". No one ever ate it, they just traded it.

Barter systems in desperate times take on a life of their own.

 

[Oddcaliber]

Makes me wonder what I can get for a can of Spam.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

From me, quite a bit...I love that stuff!

I guess now I know what I am making for lunch!

 

[Dave2001]

Curious question. What is your favorite herb book?

I bought a book in the mountains on NC of all the herbs and cures of the Cherokee indians and their medicines using local plants, have found that VERY interesting!!

 

[Bacon112179!!]

I would stockpile what you like even if it wasn’t high end. Cheap stuff will bring as much as high end.
If it’s what you like, to give it up gives you the value for the barter.

True. It's not your price but what they will give for it.

 

[Cindyd]

I've been buying up extra alcohol. Each weekend I go to grocery I stop in the Walmart liquor store and pick up usually a 1/2 gallon vodka, 1/2 gallon bacardi rum and another bottle of something else, either a tequila, a bourbon, a scotch, bottle of fireball, a bottle of wine, or whatever. Try to mix it up but since I like a drink of vodka and larry drinks bacardi, those are always on the list. If I go to Sam's club, they have the Makers Mark vodka 1.75 L for 12.98...smirnoff is usually 17.98 at walmart liquor store and the MM is perfectly fine vokda as far as I'm concerned. I've accumulated quite a stash. Also, been going by tobacco store and buying up tobacco in bulk, sealing it with oxygen absorbers in myler bags or regular vacuum sealing. I know in hard times liquor n tobacco sales increase...so I've read. Might not be popular in the mainstream now but shtf, I've got some drinkers n smokers covered. If they have anything of value to barter. If not, the liquor has other uses and tobacco I think, makes good compost material.

 

[Proud Prepper]

I've been buying up extra alcohol. Each weekend I go to grocery I stop in the Walmart liquor store and pick up usually a 1/2 gallon vodka, 1/2 gallon bacardi rum and another bottle of something else, either a tequila, a bourbon, a scotch, bottle of fireball, a bottle of wine, or whatever. Try to mix it up but since I like a drink of vodka and larry drinks bacardi, those are always on the list. If I go to Sam's club, they have the Makers Mark vodka 1.75 L for 12.98...smirnoff is usually 17.98 at walmart liquor store and the MM is perfectly fine vokda as far as I'm concerned. I've accumulated quite a stash. Also, been going by tobacco store and buying up tobacco in bulk, sealing it with oxygen absorbers in myler bags or regular vacuum sealing. I know in hard times liquor n tobacco sales increase...so I've read. Might not be popular in the mainstream now but shtf, I've got some drinkers n smokers covered. If they have anything of value to barter. If not, the liquor has other uses and tobacco I think, makes good compost material.

We all know where to go for the end of the world party!

 

[Cindyd]

Gotcha covered!

 

[Kevin L]

I've been buying up extra alcohol. Each weekend I go to grocery I stop in the Walmart liquor store and pick up usually a 1/2 gallon vodka, 1/2 gallon bacardi rum and another bottle of something else, either a tequila, a bourbon, a scotch, bottle of fireball, a bottle of wine, or whatever. Try to mix it up but since I like a drink of vodka and larry drinks bacardi, those are always on the list. If I go to Sam's club, they have the Makers Mark vodka 1.75 L for 12.98...smirnoff is usually 17.98 at walmart liquor store and the MM is perfectly fine vokda as far as I'm concerned. I've accumulated quite a stash. Also, been going by tobacco store and buying up tobacco in bulk, sealing it with oxygen absorbers in myler bags or regular vacuum sealing. I know in hard times liquor n tobacco sales increase...so I've read. Might not be popular in the mainstream now but shtf, I've got some drinkers n smokers covered. If they have anything of value to barter. If not, the liquor has other uses and tobacco I think, makes good compost material.

Save the tobacco for medicinal purposes.

Moist tobacco will kill leeches, ticks, lice, and fleas.

The nicotine can be quite toxic and can get absorbed through the skin, so use tobacco (for these purposes) with moderation.

I would like to find out if moist tobacco or tobacco tea works to kill scabies mites and/or chiggers.

 

[Cindyd]

Save the tobacco for medicinal purposes.

Moist tobacco will kill leeches, ticks, lice, and fleas.

The nicotine can be quite toxic and can get absorbed through the skin, so use tobacco (for these purposes) with moderation.

I would like to find out if moist tobacco or tobacco tea works to kill scabies mites and/or chiggers.

Thanks Kevin! I hadn't thought about that!

 

[Kevin L]

Thanks Kevin! I hadn't thought about that!

Also, you can grow tobacco quite readily from seeds, and some varieties have been bred to produce beautiful ornamental foliage that would complement any flower garden.

Above is an example of ornamental tobacco plants. Below is the info for Eden Brothers, which sell seeds for about $10.00 per pack.

https://www.edenbrothers.com/produc...FlqfnnBTxCJimwzx8NtEk6_aL--FdOI8Cfdb9eCSEudb4
Keep in mind that tobacco must be processed before it can be used for the nicotine. It's my understanding that the leaves must be hung upside-down in a very dry place that is dark and has circulating air, and allowed to dry for over 6 weeks . . . but I could be wrong.

Keep in mind that there are many varieties of tobacco, and there are non-ornamental strains that have a higher nicotine content than the ornamental ones.

The flowers smell nice, and attract hummingbirds.

I hope this helps.

 

[Survivor_316]

Also, you can grow tobacco quite readily from seeds, and some varieties have been bred to produce beautiful ornamental foliage that would complement any flower garden.View attachment 17911

Above is an example of ornamental tobacco plants. Below is the info for Eden Brothers, which sell seeds for about $10.00 per pack.

https://www.edenbrothers.com/produc...FlqfnnBTxCJimwzx8NtEk6_aL--FdOI8Cfdb9eCSEudb4
Keep in mind that tobacco must be processed before it can be used for the nicotine. It's my understanding that the leaves must be hung upside-down in a very dry place that is dark and has circulating air, and allowed to dry for over 6 weeks . . . but I could be wrong.

Keep in mind that there are many varieties of tobacco, and there are non-ornamental strains that have a higher nicotine content than the ornamental ones.

The flowers smell nice, and attract hummingbirds.

I hope this helps.

Very cool. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Helen Back]

Tobacco is also really good on wasp stings.

 

[Kevin L]

Tobacco is also really good on wasp stings.

I wouldn't suggest it for wasp stings, although I can see why it would work.

The nicotine is a neurotoxin, so I can see it numbing the area.