We all prep for different reasons.

[SoJer]

Get all your teeth pulled and dental work not required.

Hard to counter That one! That said.. 'Gum issues' / general Mouth hygiene / the Tools to 'properly / sterilely work inside it', etc are a Wise Investment, imo..

Plus.. If ya've the Tools / Know-How.. That'll 'Trade', for sure..

jd

 

[Neb]

Hard to counter That one! That said.. 'Gum issues' / general Mouth hygiene / the Tools to 'properly / sterilely work inside it', etc are a Wise Investment, imo..

Plus.. If ya've the Tools / Know-How.. That'll 'Trade', for sure..

jd

I am glad I did it .

Took a while to adjust but save corn on the cob I don't miss them.

Ben

 

[Supervisor42]

I am glad I did it .

Took a while to adjust but save corn on the cob I don't miss them.

Ben

They didn't give you dentures?

 

[Neb]

They didn't give you dentures?

I got dentures. Not sure where they are.

Don't need them.

Ben

 

[forcast]

Sadly, that’s a losing battle.
Just look at the polling numbers for the Harris/Walz ticket.
Those people either embrace communism or are looking for free “stuff”.

You will never wake up people with that mentality.

Think it's people thinking everything will be free . seems only the ultra wealthy get free.

 

[elkhound]

just a thought here...did yall know the average credit card debt has tripled since the 08-10 crisis...is it any wonder people dont do things.

theres seniors traveling all time now living in camping areas because its become cheaper for them than place they had to live...you pull in get water,electric,garbage and often free internet some places as low as $14 a night.

i mean i know camp grounds are booked a year in advance...friend traveling has talked to huge amount of older folks having to do this to live. i know a guy doing in it in real life right now.

go to youtube punch in slabcity...or street in Philadelphia or any city and look at society burnt out on drugs and more....its even starting to be in country now..i never thought i see homeless here in my area but yet i am seeing a few.

look what article rolled out today

If Everything Is So Great, Why Are Millions Of Americans Sleeping In Their Vehicles?​

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-...re-millions-americans-sleeping-their-vehicles

 

[UserNameTaken]

look what article rolled out today

If Everything Is So Great, Why Are Millions Of Americans Sleeping In Their Vehicles?​

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-...re-millions-americans-sleeping-their-vehicles

Interesting if short article. I had a VW Poptop just like that when I was a beach bum in FL after my Army days. Back then my preps were a couple of guns, some basic camp gear, a few tools and fishing/dive gear. I had a bicycle on the back. My survival plan was basically to leave the AO if something happened.

Now I'm less mobile. I've missed the van since the day I sold it. Always planned on a motor home, but now I don't want to haul a house around to sleep in. An Earth Roamer would be cool, but not 500k cool.

I saw a video about Bozeman, MT and all the homeless living in RV's. Who'd think people homeless - in Montana. And not dopers either. Just folks who can't afford a million dollar tract house on a blue collar income.

And don't forget the Sup Ct just made being poor illegal in America - stemming from an inhumane anti-homeless law in what was once ground zero for the prepper and survivalist movement - Rogue River, OR, home of Mel Tappan. How sad. The S has already HTF for those people - they are the real survivalists. Surviving in a world that reviles them and largely wishes them gone, hidden, or dead.

You know, for many people a collapse of civilization and the govt would be the best thing that ever happened to them. The playing field would be leveled. It would be 1870 all over again. A world for the taking and rebuilding, for those tough enough to survive, and strong enough to hold it.

 

[UserNameTaken]

As for prepping reasons. I prep because nobody is coming to save me.

 

[Swing]

I got dentures. Not sure where they are.

Don't need them.

Ben

You sound like Dad. He got the dentures. I took a photo of when they had them in his mouth the first time at the dentist. Then he had them during the drive home. Took out that night. Never wore them again.

 

[Swing]

look what article rolled out today

If Everything Is So Great, Why Are Millions Of Americans Sleeping In Their Vehicles?​

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-...re-millions-americans-sleeping-their-vehicles

Check out CheapRVLiving with Bob Wells. He is mostly YouTube and has a web page and an official group that aides the nomads. Also there is a big meeting each January in Arizona for those that are nomads.
And there is a whole site about nomads and how they do it cheap or a bit more $$. And if you look around, there are younger people doing it also. In my high school days they would have been considered hippies and the like.
https://vanlivingforum.com/

 

[poltiregist]

I think perhaps some don't have a understanding of what is taking place in the United States and undoubtedly in many other countries . People for the most part are not living in vehicles because that is the life style that they prefer . They are living in vehicles because of " Bidonnomics " . Just a few days ago as my Son-in-law was working on the powerlines a body was found near the base of one of the powerline poles . Whether it was a body dump or whether some homeless soul suffering from " Bidonomics " simply went off into the brush to die like a dog is known to do , I don't know -- I guess you could say I have adopted one homeless such individual as I have decided to try to keep him alive . For those ignorant of what is taking place , be aware , many of the vehicles you see when you venture out contain homeless folks . Just a few days ago as I listened to a radio swap show a woman called in that had several children that was homeless and living in a vehicle that was desperate and pleading for someone to give her a camper shell to put on the back of her pickup truck so her and her children could at least lay down in a prone position to sleep .

 

[Sourdough]

Just a few days ago as my Son-in-law was working on the powerlines a body was found near the base of one of the powerline poles . Whether it was a body dump or whether some homeless soul suffering from " Bidonomics " simply went off into the brush to die like a dog is known to do , I don't know -

Or was stealing the copper grounding wire from the poles for sale.

 

[elkhound]

Or was stealing the copper grounding wire from the poles for sale.

two guys sawed into a huge powerline conduit in an abandoned factory that shut down decades ago...but guess what...the power was never turned off...killed one and injured and burned the second guy.

 

[Hardcalibres]

I think perhaps some don't have a understanding of what is taking place in the United States and undoubtedly in many other countries . People for the most part are not living in vehicles because that is the life style that they prefer . They are living in vehicles because of " Bidonnomics " . Just a few days ago as my Son-in-law was working on the powerlines a body was found near the base of one of the powerline poles . Whether it was a body dump or whether some homeless soul suffering from " Bidonomics " simply went off into the brush to die like a dog is known to do , I don't know -- I guess you could say I have adopted one homeless such individual as I have decided to try to keep him alive . For those ignorant of what is taking place , be aware , many of the vehicles you see when you venture out contain homeless folks . Just a few days ago as I listened to a radio swap show a woman called in that had several children that was homeless and living in a vehicle that was desperate and pleading for someone to give her a camper shell to put on the back of her pickup truck so her and her children could at least lay down in a prone position to sleep .

Actually.....this social trend has had a book written about it and a movie made from the book.

The book was written in 2017:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadland:_Surviving_America_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

.....and it proposed that the trend really got going as a result of the 2008 GFC.

The movie was made in 2020 and followed the premise of the book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadland

......so both precede Bidenomics.

I only point this out, not to make a political point for or against the current administration....but more to point out the very common misunderstanding here and on similar forums:

A nomadic population of older folks and almost all other bad trends in US culture, are now above politics.....these things don't stop when one side is in power or start when the other side gets back in......they are fundamental to the decline of the US and are well above politics.....those things are now the big picture for a declining super power. Those trends are now well enough established that decline will continue regardless of who you vote in or out.

......and to get back to the subject of the thread......people should be prepping for the same reason, which is, that the US and the Western nations are doomed.

Time wasted that people do spend ranting about politics, should be used to get better prepared.

There is no point in yelling at the storm.....the storm isn't listening.

The storm doesn't care which politician pushes your buttons.

When I watched a bit of both political conventions, my most significant observation was that both were mostly about false hope.

Both candidates claim they can fix things that they can't.......to get votes.

 

[sonya123]

A nomadic population of older folks and almost all other bad trends in US culture, are now above politics.....these things don't stop when one side is in power or start when the other side gets back in......they are fundamental to the decline of the US and are well above politics.....those things are now the big picture for a declining super power. Those trends are now well enough established that decline will continue regardless of who you vote in or out.

......and to get back to the subject of the thread......people should be prepping for the same reason, which is, that the US and the Western nations are doomed.

Time wasted that people do spend ranting about politics, should be used to get better prepared.

There is no point in yelling at the storm.....the storm isn't listening.

The storm doesn't care which politician pushes your buttons.

When I watched a bit of both political conventions, my most significant observation was that both were mostly about false hope.

Both candidates claim they can fix things that they can't.......to get votes.

I said something very similar in one of these threads. You can't fix the problems in the US , regardless of who gets elected at this point. It's too late. I shake my head over the people that get all exited about the possibility of Trump getting re-elected. If by some miracle he is still alive and gets elected, even HE can only rearrange the chairs on the Titanic at this point
I think people just want to have hope. They don't want to hear this

 

[elkhound]

I said something very similar in one of these threads. You can't fix the problems in the US , regardless of who gets elected at this point. It's too late. I shake my head over the people that get all exited about the possibility of Trump getting re-elected. If by some miracle he is still alive and gets elected, even HE can only rearrange the chairs on the Titanic at this point
I think people just want to have hope. They don't want to hear this

another thing people might not want to think about is if its only a partial collapse and the u.s. is still going along but not that bright shining star it once was perceived to be and across the globe things are more even or more level playing field than one or a few high up countries and a bunch being lower on the pole.

thats when folks might wish they had made different decisions on a wide..no a very wide broad bunch of things/subjects.

 

[Hardcalibres]

another thing people might not want to think about is if its only a partial collapse and the u.s. is still going along but not that bright shining star it once was perceived to be and across the globe things are more even or more level playing field than one or a few high up countries and a bunch being lower on the pole.

thats when folks might wish they had made different decisions on a wide..no a very wide broad bunch of things/subjects.

Correct.

Prepping is something done before the need arises.

People must understand the world as it will be, more so than as it is......but many are deluded about the present world around them.....so for them, the future is a complete mystery.

Normalcy Bias gets in the way of people committing to getting prepared.......and failure of imagination is a common reason people and indeed nations get blindsided by quite predictable events.

 

[elkhound]

Correct.

Prepping is something done before the need arises.

People must understand the world as it will be, more so than as it is......but many are deluded about the present world around them.....so for them, the future is a complete mystery.

Normalcy Bias gets in the way of people committing to getting prepared.......and failure of imagination is a common reason people and indeed nations get blindsided by quite predictable events.

even some of what i am talking about is not true prepping stuff..but just ordinary daily living/lives stuff than many fail at right now and are just seeing the edge of suffering to start and think...hmmm....i wish i had...or hmmm i shoulda this and that....sorry to be vague...just not going to blurt out examples i am seeing as of late and in real life.

 

[Hardcalibres]

even some of what i am talking about is not true prepping stuff..but just ordinary daily living/lives stuff than many fail at right now and are just seeing the edge of suffering to start and think...hmmm....i wish i had...or hmmm i shoulda this and that....sorry to be vague...just not going to blurt out examples i am seeing as of late and in real life.

Agreed.

I assess that one of the key indicators that emerges when you have developed a survivalist mindset......is that those blurred lines between prepping and normal life sort of disappear.

You are what you do.

....and the converse applies....those that talk/post about prepping, but never get around to creation of capabilities, are not prepping.

Preparedness requires tangible achievement/accomplishment.

 

[elkhound]

people right now dont view things correctly..or from a survival...saying the word survival they thing of hanging on side of a mtn or some catastrophic even but just daily survival many miss it...we see it now...they never get real hard survival under the hat...well some will...like food....when you dont spend money or much on food life is easier and it frees up cash for something else...i know a spot and out of the way spot...it got 750 fruit trees planted....its not for commercial use..its for just a small community to have and use.

also seen a bunch...several 100 apple trees pushed over as market wouldnt take them as consumers lost interest in those apples..no way i done that.....i made cider or fatten livestock and more on them apples.

 

[OldSchool]

This whole thread is worrying about how others prep and post about prepping.

Criticizing how others prep or choose to survive is not an act of caring. Giving them good advice from your perspective is, allowing others to give advice from their perspective is. Even if you don't agree.

I am sure you care, a lot more than I do. And I am sure you are a huge treasure trove of knowledge, more knowledge than I have. But there is more than one way to skin a cat, and none of them are wrong.

This thread was started as a ‘dig’ about those that don’t care, don’t understand and are critical against efforts of preppers… just an intuitive guess.

 

[OldSchool]

That is a common thread title. You also hear it offered as a defensive response, when someone hates an idea that was rendered.

But it always instantly strikes me as an excuse or a weaseling out of something unpleasant. You know something that involves "work", or minor inconvenience.

It also seems to imply that anyway will work as far as prepping is concerned. The assumption being that they desire to believe that the concept of prepping is totally new, that there is no known history of what will work. Therefore, do whatever you want and call it Serious Prepping. Because "we are all different".

When I saw the thread title I assumed it was an old thread.

All good by me to start a new thread.

 

[OldSchool]

Based on the reception of this and several other threads it appears there is little probability of that.
Hell, preppers who have been prepping for 20 or 30 or more years can't or more likely chose to refuse to differentiate.

Mostly in this and other threads I have been instructed to NOT help, that I should only care about me. I should NOT care about anyone else.

Were you having a bad day when you posted that, or just being pessimistic.

You should know I’m one of newbies to serious prepping and I take advice (in the form of experience) from you and other old timer preppers to heart and mind.

 

[Hardcalibres]

This thread was started as a ‘dig’ about those that don’t care, don’t understand and are critical against efforts of preppers… just an intuitive guess.

It could be characterized as "a dig" or it could be assessed to be a discussion prompt that belongs on a forum about Homesteading and Country Living.

There are a lot of politics threads and posts on here at the moment.

Politics is poison.

It would be a good thing to ensure that doesn't kill off discussion about the nameplate subject matter of this forum.


The world is in a bit of a mess.......big changes are coming......and through history, big changes get ordinary people prematurely killed.

This is a good time to push preparedness.

 

[Sourdough]

Or, and hear me out, you just do what you want and let everyone else do what they want and not care. Not giving a **** about how others chose to live, prep, or whatever.

I want to clarify my feelings about this. I agree with your post, however there is an implied assumption, that I have trouble with.

I am a commercial pilot, If I tell someone that I am flying to LAX tomorrow, and that person says, Me also. Do we both mean the same thing.....??? Maybe, it is possible. See, I think they are likely "riding" to LAX tomorrow. But hell, I could be wrong.

I truly don't give a **** about how others chose to live, prep, or whatever. What I care deeply about is that as far as prepping is concerned, they fully understand what that entails. If they really-really do, or even if they say to me, piss-off I know what I am doing. and they don't fully understand, I have no obligation to help them. They have dismissed me, and that is fine.

But I and others see that prepping several decades ago became corrupted. And preppers are being misinformed at best, and realistically are being deceived. They can't see it. But they have been so perfectly snookered that they reject the truths about prepping. So, for some of us all that remains is lay-in more body bags.

The truth is everyone is different, the truth is everyone's situation is different, the truth is everyone has different physical abilities, different skill sets, the truth is some preppers have much more money than other preppers. "BUT", Prepping and Survival don't care. That is not their problem. Telling people who desire to learn, that they can do whatever they want, because their situation is different/unique. Is simply a deception.

That is the only point we are attempting to make. You can do it your way; you can just not do anything. But you really should be fully aware that much of the information is bad information. It is bad for many reasons, some is intentional, some is just the blind leading the blind. It is your life.

 

[OldSchool]

Prepping is a choice and it should be based on a person’s particular situation with consideration of skills, capabilities, finances, etc.

Having a brain is useful too in discerning what works and what wouldn’t be productive in the long run. Again, based on the individual.

Would be nice if some of you are more understanding of those facts, and even have some faith that some people can learn from others and apply that knowledge to better their life, their future and maybe the future of others.

 

[Pearl]

The reasons we need to prep are politics and weather!

 

[OldSchool]

The reasons we need to prep are politics and weather!

That’s exactly what I read in a 10,000 year old journal of a caveman.

 

[Aerindel]

The truth is everyone is different, the truth is everyone's situation is different, the truth is everyone has different physical abilities, different skill sets, the truth is some preppers have much more money than other preppers. "BUT", Prepping and Survival don't care. That is not their problem. Telling people who desire to learn, that they can do whatever they want, because their situation is different/unique. Is simply a deception.

Love this.


Far too many people think the universe cares about how they feel.

 

[sonya123]

another thing people might not want to think about is if its only a partial collapse and the u.s. is still going along but not that bright shining star it once was perceived to be and across the globe things are more even or more level playing field than one or a few high up countries and a bunch being lower on the pole.

thats when folks might wish they had made different decisions on a wide..no a very wide broad bunch of things/subjects.

I think we are already in a partial collapse compared to what it used to be like.
And not just the US, Europe too. I have never seen homeless people in Germany for example, but saw some this year. We also saw decrepid old houses just falling apart, which you also didn't see before. Plus the roads are no longer great , at least in the area we were in. Lots of potholes and damaged roads
It's like all of western society is coming apart