yes...and some unknown names of govt trappers as well....plus some very famous hound guys...i actually became friends in my travels and done hunting,dog breeding and more with some of these old guys way back when.Old guys like kreps, lynch and hawbaker
willis butolph was still alive when i was in high school...i wish i had had the money and means to go meet him in utah before he passed away...i regret not buying his book while it was still available...but everyone has limits at some point or another for everything.