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Magus

The Shaman of suburbia.
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Look behind you in that dark corner.
When I drifted in here a decade or so back, I introduced myself as one of the "Bad guys" That being a militant survivalist with plans of looting and scavenging to supplement my status quo after TSHTF and there is no longer any normal because there is no new normal. Hanging out with you guys kind of mellowed me a bit, changed my attitudes a bit, that and declining health will work wonders on an attitude, I'll tell you! But anyway, I've been meaning to make this post for some time, frankly because I'm right fond of you guys, and I want you to know who and what you're up against. forget for the next few paragraphs that I'm your buddy Magus, trying to share what he knows to help good folks get by and maybe pad his all too soon Karmic debt before I end up just a story around a campfire. forget you sort of know me, I'm going to show you the least of what's coming for you, so lets pretend together shall we? get the vision in your mind's eye:
I'm Lee, I'm former military, a bit of a thug in with a tough crowd, I probably have access to military type hardware and tactics, maybe I just went AWOL and took whatever I could lay my hands on, I have a family, but the lights went out a month ago and the sound of a baby that hasn't eaten in three days it ripping my soul out, and the sound of your rooster crowing sounds like a dinner bell to me and my crew! Now since we've not turned into animals yet and most of our humanity is intact and we're not killers yet... YET, the ideal is we walk up under a white flag and ask if there's any work you need done for food, maybe even become friends and hang out and protect you and help you hunt and grow crops and we all sing Kumbaya around the dinner fire at night. yeah, ideally that would be nice.
Now Imagine I've always been an animal and an opportunistic scumbag with equally trashy friends, the word family is a joke to me, a bitter one at that, and we just followed your daughter and grand kids home from berry picking. Now IF I have any military training or even street smarts, we're going to have a look around, see what kind of people are here, how many, and how much trouble we're going to have getting to your stuff, livestock or anything else we might have a liking for. Do you have dogs and are they loose? how many and what kind? are they ankle biting noise makers like a poodle or will they sneak up in a pack and rip my boys to ribbons before we even know they're on us like German Shepherds? Something in between? can they be silenced? we might have a crossbow or a suppressed weapon, might not. How many vehicles are there? we don't want numbers against us, we're punks after all. do we see anything like a military flag indicating you served? you likely have very deadly guns and know how to use them, hell. you might even have a grenade or two or even a machine gun! Lets look at the basic security, any visible cameras? that front and back door look to be steel! No kicking that in, in the middle of the night! The house is underpinned, so a gas bottle will have little immediate effect! So looking things over, we decide there is at least one former military person on premises, three very large dogs that run free, you'll likely see us coming on the cameras, there's more of you than there are us, we're hungry but not suicidal, but if the chicken coop and or barn are far enough from the house, we might try that, might not. chances are a small group will move on and let you be, but if our numbers increase, we'll remember where you are!
The last is probably the most dangerous, its a sucker's bet he's trained in anything, he used to sell kids sneakers, but his family is gone and he's seen enough death since the lights went out, he no longer cares and he knows how to move unseen! That goat that went missing last week? he BBQed it up in his den, he probably has a gun, but not much ammo, so he's not out for an open conflict, but he will use it if cornered! He'll be around for weeks sneaking a few vegetables and an egg or two, maybe a hen that missed lock down, but make no mistake, he's in survival mode, he's desperate and he's dangerous! by now he's realized he could be shot for what he's doing. If you're real lucky, he'll get his strength up and move on, if not, and decided there are easy pickings here, you'll have an unwanted and potentially deadly guest for some time, know how to get rid of him before he even moves in? put good locks on anything he might need or want and let the dogs loose at night. if he can't operate in quiet or thinks you're on to him, its a good chance he'll go on his way.
Then there are gangs, not 4-5 but 10-20! their M.O never seems to change, ride in like locusts, kick the doors in, rape, murder, steal, burn what they can't carry, you've seen the recent riots. if they think you have something you want, they're coming in unless you make every inch they grab so expensive they have to flee or die! the only way to do this is from hardened, armored positions with heavy weaponry, which they likely will also have, and make no mistake, they WILL be back!

There now, I think that's enough nightmare fuel for you, but think about it.
 
I am going with pre cute plywood ready to go. Attached on the inside for subtlety and affordability. You can also make slots to fire out from. I agree if you are in that position you are already screwed. We have a pretty tight community. I have already seen neighbors come to each other's aid.
 
@Magus Some good food for thought for sure. I think my biggest concern would be your last scenario, the gangs of people. Mob mentality is real, and people are crazy...
Researching home security shutters now.....
https://www.rollok.com/quality-custom-made-security-shutters/roll-shutter/
Don't dismiss the effect of going without food for days. If they aren't used to fasting there is dizziness and lack of strength.

So are these biker gangs as in bicycles or are they motor cycle gangs roaring in the saddle bags holding gerry cans of fuel they cached before TSHTF. * In the case of the latter, those saddle bags would be nice targets. If they come peddling up, how are they maintaining their physical energy to travel then fight? So those saddle bags are loaded with energy bars! So what are they using using for ammo ? Oh yes, the saddle bags are half ammo, half energy bars. So far so good.

So where are these these crying children? Not in the saddle bags. Do they have wagons?

My point is logistics is required for group aggressions ... armies march on beans and bullets...

If we have the beans and bullets** and they don't we win.

If we prepare and they don't we have the edge.


Ben

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If rhere are marauding gangs, what convenience store is going to be manned and open pumping gas that is not being delivered because the drivers are hunkered down protecting their families. Oh, and the pumps don't work because the power plant operators are protecting their families.

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If we watch all of the Mad Max documentaries there are...

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There are 2 practical entities in Mad Max. The smokers due to their attention to energy and the weird guy in the back room contriving the next best thing.
 
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1/4" laminated 1025 steel layered much like shingles will stop small arms fire, be sure to allow a 1/8" gap for flexing, at a distance it will turn .50 caliber fire, this gap can be regular steel, wood or even rubber cut from tires like washers. also, go snoop these videos.
home made ballistic armor - YouTube
I wish I could show you what I know about IEDs, grenade manufacture and mines, but its not happening here.
Now go here to get some new curtains to trap shell fragments.
https://www.securityprousa.com/coll...pc&utm_source=bing&utm_term=ballistic blanket.

A wall, made of used tires is what a lot of outdoor three gun match runs use for bullet sponges, but they are flammable.

How well do you know your property? If I'm raiding you, I'll have every shadow, every ditch and every bit of cover mapped out in my head if I have the option of studying my mark. Make sure I don't have any place to hide and put a bullet in my head!

Underpin your castle with sheet tin and put locks on the entry ports to keep firebombs off and sneaks from rooting around under the floor and shooting you through the floor. failing that, I might have a 6 pack of pipe bombs and make myself a hole right into your safe room.

I'm saying 'ME" because I know how I think, and there's LOTS smarter than me out here, better equipped too. If I can get a gallon of bleach and a can of XXXXX in there,
you're coming out of there unless you have closed cycle breathing gear, many masks won't stop chlorine! another reason its banned!

Have an escape route planned, might want to leave something behind you as you retreat so I can't follow you. use your imagination, hell. just blow it up behind you!

Know what a rat hole is? you need a couple on your property. they need to have a BOB for each member of the family, medical supplies, a week's worth of food and some serious weaponry, Back in the day, I'd have said a crate of SKS rifles and two cases of ammo, but those days are gone. So go here:
https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=301Then here:
https://www.classicfirearms.com/plum-crazy-ar-15-reciever-gen2-black/
Click, click, clack, 400$ AR 15!
Go here:
https://www.canikusa.com/tp9sf-elite-tungstenPoof, budget Glock, 400$
and here:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/roc...12-gauge-pump-action-shotgun-black-cr103.htmlI have owned two of these, real hard to beat!
There, an armory minus mags and ammo for around 1500$ the check they give me for being useless is that much, so make that zombie that lives in your back room playing video games and eating Doritos and Mt dew do his part! Speaking of gamers, I'm off to do Some, but I'm hurting bad tonight and in a lousy mood, so I will be back with more tales from the crip!
Here you go friends, 1000$ worth of consulting all for free, don't tell me I don't love you guys!
 
OK
Suppression weapons.
I recently found out that flamethrowers were perfectly legal, go here, become AMAZED!
https://xproducts.com/product-category/flamethrowers/OH, did I mention drum magazines for 308 caliber rifles? (BUT NOT my FAL!) But pretty much all AR-10, M1A and HK 91 types.
OH yes an can cannons! those in themselves can open up a whole new defensive tool for you to have fun with use! as in, I don't
know, launching THINGS! hint hint, hell, they even have engraved ones! I'd better quit drooling or I might start having fun. I mean how
cool is this for less than lethal?
https://xproducts.com/x1-stand-alone-launcher/Speaking of things going boom, look at this:
https://outdoorcommand.com/how-to-make-your-own-camping-trip-alarm/And this cute little thing for the chicken coop:

I think I'm starting to have fun here!
 

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