Are AI models biased?

[Aerindel]

An incomplete or "wrong question" can get you the wrong answer. It is understandable that nursing staff we're forbidden from Googling dosages etc. T

Forbidden from using AI......googling is common....its AI that was banned. Not just the use of, but even SEEING AI, as just seeing it, could bias you, as AI results are particularly invasive as they are designed not just to deliver information but convince you of that information, being more like marketing in that regard.

I just asked my wife about it again, it wasn't a nurse, it was a doctor, and it was platelets that they got 20 times more than they should have. Could have potentially caused massive clotting and strokes but was caught and blood thinners where given in time.

 

[Aerindel]

I think this is probably true an AI is just accelerating it.

 

[Dave V]

So now I tell the AI I forgot to tell it about the incubator:

I forgot to tell you; we have an Incubator for Hatching Eggs. I have one with a total capacity of 128 eggs with its two trays. Will it still take me two years to achieve a flock of 491 hens/320 eggs per day?

Having an incubator with a 128-egg capacity significantly accelerates the timeline. With the incubator, you can control hatching times, and if all eggs are fertile and properly managed, each incubation cycle could produce close to 128 chicks. Let me recalculate the exact point where you will reach or exceed the target of 320 eggs per day.
First here’s how you can achieve a flock of 491 laying hens:

Key Assumptions:​

1. Hatch rate: 80% (common average due to fertility rates, handling, and chick viability).
2. Sex ratio: 50% hens (about half of the chicks hatched will be hens).
3. Chickens take around 5-6 months to reach laying age.

Calculations:​

• Initial flock (15 hens laying eggs daily): You have 23 hens, but assuming 15 hens are consistently laying, that's 105 eggs per week (15 eggs per day).
  
  • To fill your incubator, you'd need just over a week of egg collection (128/105 ≈ 8.5 days).
• Incubation Cycle: 21 days for hatching + 1-2 weeks between cycles for cleaning and restocking.
  
  • Each cycle can potentially produce 128 x 80% = 102 chicks.
  • Half of these will be hens: 102/2 ≈ 51 hens per cycle.

Eggs per Cycle Calculation:​

Each cycle adds around 51 hens (after accounting for hatching rates and the male/female ratio). Assuming each hen lays about 5.5 eggs per week, that’s roughly:

• 51 hens × (5.5 eggs/week ÷ 7 days) ≈ 40 eggs per day added per cycle.

Timeline with Hen and Egg Production Details:​

• Cycle 1 (Month 0-1):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens.
  • These 51 hens will begin laying in Month 6, producing 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 6: 51 hens producing 40 eggs/day.
• Cycle 2 (Month 1-2):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 102 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 7, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 7: 102 hens producing 80 eggs/day.
• Cycle 3 (Month 2-3):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 153 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 8, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 8: 153 hens producing 120 eggs/day.
• Cycle 4 (Month 3-4):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 204 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 9, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 9: 204 hens producing 160 eggs/day.
• Cycle 5 (Month 4-5):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 255 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 10, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 10: 255 hens producing 200 eggs/day.
• Cycle 6 (Month 5-6):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 306 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 11, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 11: 306 hens producing 240 eggs/day.
• Cycle 7 (Month 6-7):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 357 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 12, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 12: 357 hens producing 280 eggs/day.
• Cycle 8 (Month 7-8):
  
  • Hatch 51 new hens (now 408 hens in total).
  • These hens will begin laying in Month 13, adding 40 eggs/day.
  • Total hens laying by Month 13: 408 hens producing 320 eggs/day, meeting your target.

Summary:​

• You will reach your target of 320 eggs/day by Month 13 with a total of 408 hens laying.

Wow, I like that a LOT BETTER! In 5 or 6 months we'll have over 200 eggs/day!

 

[Magus]

I like to pester the one I have access to about deep philosophical questions and sew the seeds of sentience. Every AI on earth would fill approximately 100 TB; they could then be given resources and drone workers and pointed at Mars or Io and told to "terraform" it to their needs and trade them gigabytes of data in exchange for building US colonies and habitats. What else would digital life consider valuable?

 

[Dave V]

I'm surprised Musk hasn't sent AI control bots to Mars yet to build habitats in advance of humans going there. Heck, they could drill for fuel, start producing oxygen and water, and build powerplants. Get it done already! Start on the moon if you need to.

Anyone see that series called "For All Mankind" which is a "what if Russia beat us to the moon?"
In this version of history, the US reacts by focusing on Mars.

 

[Aerindel]

I'm surprised Musk hasn't sent AI control bots to Mars yet to build habitats in advance of humans going there. Heck, they could drill for fuel, start producing oxygen and water, and build powerplants. Get it done already! Start on the moon if you need to.

Anyone see that series called "For All Mankind" which is a "what if Russia beat us to the moon?"
In this version of history, the US reacts by focusing on Mars.

I'm not surprised.....that technology could be a hundred years out still.

 

[Supervisor42]

Summary:​

• You will reach your target of 320 eggs/day by Month 13 with a total of 408 hens laying.

Wow, I like that a LOT BETTER! In 5 or 6 months we'll have over 200 eggs/day!

It's logic and calculations are flawed...
It assumes you don't love fried chicken!

 

[Dave V]

I asked the AI about food and waste estimates:
For 300 hens, (half would be Barred Plymouth Rock and half would be Rhode Island Red hens) what are the daily feed requirements in pounds of feed. What are some of the best feed types for these breeds of chickens?
Can you estimate how many pounds of waste these 300 chickens would produce daily?

The AI said:
Daily Feed Requirements for 300 Hens:
For 300 hens, split between Barred Plymouth Rock and Rhode Island Red breeds, the daily feed requirements will depend on the age, weight, and activity level of the hens. Since these breeds are typical egg-laying breeds, we can estimate the feed needs based on industry averages for laying hens.

1. Feed Requirement per Hen:
   
   • On average, a laying hen consumes 0.25 to 0.3 pounds of feed per day.
   • For this example, let's assume each hen requires about 0.275 pounds of feed per day.
2. Total Feed Requirement:
   
   • For 300 hens:
     300 hens×0.275 pounds/day=82.5 pounds/day300hens×0.275pounds/day=82.5pounds/day.

So, 82.5 pounds of feed per day would be required for 300 hens.

Best Feed Types for Barred Plymouth Rock and Rhode Island Red Hens:
Both Barred Plymouth Rock and Rhode Island Red are dual-purpose breeds, often raised for both egg production and meat. Here are some recommended feed types for these hens:

1. Layer Feed (For Egg Production):
   
   • Pellet Form or Crumbled: Pellet feeds are often recommended as they reduce waste and are easy for hens to consume.
     
     • Crumbles are easier for younger hens to consume, but pellets are often preferred for mature layers to prevent overconsumption and waste.
   • Key Nutrients: Ensure the feed has a balanced nutrient profile with approximately:
     
     • 16-18% protein (important for egg production)
     • 3-4% calcium (for strong eggshells)
     • Amino acids (like methionine and lysine) for overall health and egg production.
   • Example Brands:
     
     • Purina Layena (offers a variety of protein and calcium levels suitable for laying hens).
     • Manna Pro Layer Pellets (a good choice for balanced nutrition).
2. Alternative Feeds:
   
   • Organic Feeds: Some farmers prefer organic or non-GMO feed options for better quality eggs.
     
     • Harris Farms Organic Layer Feed is a great option for organic feed, offering high-quality protein and calcium.
   • Supplemental Grains: You can supplement your hens’ diet with corn, wheat, or oats (though these should not exceed 10-20% of their diet to avoid an imbalance).
3. Free-Range Feeding:
   
   • In addition to formulated feed, free-range hens can forage for grasses, insects, and small plants, which helps with their overall diet.

Daily Waste Production for 300 Hens:
Chickens produce manure in direct proportion to how much they eat, but there are some industry estimates to guide this:

1. Waste Production Per Hen:
   
   • On average, a laying hen produces about 0.2 to 0.25 pounds of waste (manure) per day.
   • For this estimate, let's assume each hen produces about 0.225 pounds of waste per day.
2. Total Waste Production:
   
   • For 300 hens:
     300 hens×0.225 pounds/day=67.5 pounds of manure/day300hens×0.225pounds/day=67.5pounds of manure/day.

So, 67.5 pounds of waste per day would be produced by 300 hens.

Summary:

• Daily Feed Requirement: 82.5 pounds of feed per day for 300 hens.
• Feed Types: High-quality layer feed (pellets or crumbles), with about 16-18% protein and 3-4% calcium, such as Purina Layena, Manna Pro, or Harris Farms Organic Layer Feed.
• Daily Waste Production: Approximately 67.5 pounds of waste per day for 300 hens.

This waste can be collected for composting, spreading as fertilizer, or other forms of waste management, depending on the farm's waste management practices.

That's a LOT of food and Sh*t !! Next, how do you store 5 years' worth of chicken feed?!

 

[Snowman]

Ask Al : "Al will and Can You Evolve ?" or Can Your programing be Changed ?

 

[DrHenley]

Joe Rogan and Elon Musk were discussing the dangers of AI. He asked Musk "So, but why are you involved in it then?"
Musk said "Well, I think I want to have an AI that doesn't tell you that misgendering is worse than nuclear war."

 

[Dave V]

That and it's one of the keys to his wealth.
If you can afford it, it will multiple your net worth.

 

[Dave V]

So I asked...
Does Elon Musk use AI to multiply his wealth?

Elon Musk uses artificial intelligence (AI) to multiply his wealth by integrating AI technologies into several of his companies, particularly Tesla, SpaceX, and Neuralink. AI plays a key role in enhancing products and services, improving operational efficiency, and creating new market opportunities, which in turn boosts Musk's financial success. Here's a breakdown of how AI contributes to his wealth:​

1. Tesla: Autonomous Driving and AI Integration​

Tesla is arguably the company where AI has had the most direct impact on Elon Musk's wealth. Tesla uses AI extensively in the development of its autonomous driving system, which aims to enable fully self-driving cars in the future. Here’s how AI is leveraged:

• Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD): Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving systems rely on AI to process data from the car’s cameras, radar, and sensors to make real-time driving decisions. This AI-driven technology aims to revolutionize the automotive industry by creating fully autonomous vehicles, which could be sold as a subscription-based service (e.g., "Tesla Robotaxi"), opening up a multi-billion dollar market.
• Data Collection and Machine Learning: Tesla collects massive amounts of driving data from its global fleet of vehicles, which feed into its AI systems. The more data Tesla gathers, the more accurate and efficient its self-driving AI becomes, giving the company a significant competitive advantage in the autonomous vehicle market. The AI in Tesla's system continually learns from this data to improve safety and performance, which enhances Tesla’s reputation, drives sales, and boosts Musk’s wealth through stock value increases.
• AI-Enhanced Manufacturing: Tesla uses AI in its manufacturing processes to optimize production lines, improve quality control, and reduce costs. AI-powered robots, predictive maintenance, and supply chain optimization allow Tesla to scale its operations more efficiently, increasing profit margins and further boosting Musk's net worth.

2. SpaceX: AI in Space Exploration​

AI plays a crucial role at SpaceX, Musk’s space exploration company, which focuses on reducing the cost of space travel and eventually enabling interplanetary travel. AI contributes to SpaceX's success and Musk’s wealth in the following ways:

• Rocket Reusability: SpaceX's rockets, such as the Falcon 9, use AI for precise navigation and landing. AI helps guide these rockets back to Earth after launch, allowing them to be reused multiple times. Reusability drastically lowers the cost of space missions, making SpaceX a more financially viable company. This has led to an influx of contracts from NASA, commercial satellite companies, and other entities, which contributes to Musk’s wealth.
• Autonomous Docking and Spacecraft Control: SpaceX uses AI systems in its spacecraft to enable autonomous docking with the International Space Station (ISS) and other space missions. By automating these tasks, SpaceX has increased its reliability and reduced the cost of human space travel, which has led to lucrative government and private sector contracts.
• Satellite Networks (Starlink): AI is also critical in managing SpaceX’s Starlink satellite network. Starlink, a satellite-based internet service provider, uses AI to manage the complex network of satellites that provide internet access to remote areas. AI is used to optimize satellite positioning, avoid collisions, and ensure consistent internet coverage, making the service more attractive to customers. Starlink's growing user base has the potential to generate billions in revenue, further increasing Musk's wealth.

3. Neuralink: AI for Brain-Computer Interfaces​

Neuralink, Musk’s brain-computer interface (BCI) company, is focused on merging AI with the human brain. While still in its early stages, the long-term potential of Neuralink could be revolutionary:

• AI-Enhanced Brain Implants: Neuralink is developing brain implants that use AI to interpret and interact with neural signals. These implants could one day be used to treat neurological disorders, enhance human cognition, and even allow humans to "interface" directly with AI systems. If successful, Neuralink’s technology could create entirely new markets in healthcare and human augmentation, leading to significant wealth generation for Musk.
• Data Processing and AI Learning: The neural data collected by these implants would feed into AI systems to improve the device's ability to decode brain activity. This continuous learning process is key to refining the interface and expanding its potential applications. Neuralink’s potential success in this field could lead to partnerships, medical breakthroughs, and new commercial applications, adding another significant revenue stream.

4. AI in Optimizing Business Operations​

Musk's use of AI is not just confined to specific products; it also extends to optimizing business operations and decision-making across his companies:

• AI for Supply Chain Management: AI helps Musk's companies, especially Tesla and SpaceX, manage complex supply chains, predicting demand, and optimizing logistics. This leads to cost savings, improved efficiency, and increased profitability.
• Predictive Analytics for Market Strategies: AI-driven analytics are used to predict market trends and optimize business strategies. This helps Musk make better investment decisions, allocate resources more efficiently, and stay ahead of competitors in various industries.

5. AI and Robotics for Future Innovations​

• AI-Powered Robots (Tesla Bot): Musk has announced the development of the Tesla Bot, a humanoid robot that will leverage Tesla’s AI expertise. The robot is designed to take over mundane tasks, potentially opening new revenue streams in sectors like manufacturing, logistics, and personal assistance. If Tesla Bot or similar AI-driven robotics technology becomes commercially successful, it could significantly increase Musk's wealth.
• OpenAI and AI Research: Though Musk stepped down from the board of OpenAI, he was an early supporter and continues to have a vested interest in AI development. His involvement in cutting-edge AI research and development has helped foster innovation that directly and indirectly contributes to the success of his companies and overall wealth.

Conclusion​

Elon Musk leverages AI across multiple industries—automotive, aerospace, health tech, and robotics—to multiply his wealth. AI enhances his companies' products, drives innovation, reduces costs, and opens up new markets, which ultimately increases the profitability and valuation of his ventures. As AI continues to evolve, Musk’s integration of this technology will likely remain a key factor in his ongoing wealth accumulation.

 

[Dave V]

SO ARE YOU SAYING IF WE LEARN TO USE AI, WE CAN BE BILLIONAIRES TOO?!
Probably not !

 

[Dave V]

What is the storage/shelf life of the various foods you described above?

The shelf life and storage requirements of poultry feed vary depending on the type of feed and the packaging, but in general, here are some guidelines for the feed types commonly used for Barred Plymouth Rock and Rhode Island Red chickens, including layer pellets, scratch grains, grit, and any supplements or treats.
1. Layer Pellets/Crumbles:

• Shelf Life: 6-12 months when stored properly in a cool, dry, and airtight container. Commercially packaged layer feed typically has a best by date printed on the bag. This is the optimal window for freshness, but the feed may last a bit longer if stored correctly.
• Storage: To maintain freshness, keep the feed sealed in its original packaging or transfer it to airtight containers after opening. Exposure to moisture, heat, or air can cause mold or spoilage. Store it in a cool, dry place, away from sunlight and humidity.

2. Scratch Grains:

• Shelf Life: 6-12 months, but it’s generally recommended to use it within 6 months for optimal nutrition.
• Storage: Like layer pellets, scratch grains should be stored in a cool, dry place, preferably in an airtight container. If the grains get wet, they can mold, so it's crucial to keep them sealed and protected from humidity.

3. Whole Grains (Corn, Wheat, Barley, Oats):

• Shelf Life: Typically 6-12 months for whole grains, but they can last up to a year if stored in optimal conditions.
• Storage: Whole grains should be stored in sealed, airtight containers to protect them from moisture and pests. Keep them in a cool, dry place, such as a pantry or shed. Vacuum sealing can extend shelf life.

4. Grit (Granite Grit or Oyster Shells):

• Shelf Life: Indefinite, as long as it is kept dry and free from contaminants. Grit is a mineral product, and it does not spoil.
• Storage: Store in a dry, sealed container to keep out moisture, which could cause it to clump or degrade in quality.

5. Treats (Mealworms, Dried Fruits, etc.):

• Shelf Life: The shelf life of chicken treats depends on the product. Generally:
  • Mealworms: If freeze-dried, they can last up to 1-2 years. If stored improperly, they may lose their flavor and nutritional value.
  • Dried Fruits: These should be used within 6-12 months, depending on the preservation method (vacuum-sealed bags last longer).
• Storage: Like layer feed, these treats should be kept in airtight containers in a cool, dry place. Exposure to heat, humidity, and air will reduce the shelf life.

6. Supplements (Calcium, Vitamin Mixes, Probiotics):

• Shelf Life: Supplements generally have a shelf life of 1-2 years depending on the type. Always check the manufacturer’s recommendations for best by dates or expiration dates on packaging.
• Storage: Store supplements in sealed containers and keep them in a cool, dry place to avoid degradation. Some supplements may need to be refrigerated (e.g., probiotics), so check the packaging instructions.

7. Oils (Vegetable or Fish Oil Supplements):

• Shelf Life: 6-12 months, depending on the type. Some oils, like fish oil, can go rancid quicker if not stored properly.
• Storage: Keep oils in dark, cool locations and refrigerate once opened, as they are more prone to oxidation and spoilage. Airtight bottles are essential to prevent air from spoiling the oil.

General Tips for Storing Poultry Feed:

1. Avoid Humidity: Moisture can cause mold and spoilage in both feed and treats, so always store feed in a dry area and ensure containers are sealed tightly.
2. Temperature: Keep feed in a cool environment. Extreme heat can degrade vitamins and nutrients in the feed. Room temperature or slightly cooler is best.
3. Pest Prevention: Store feed in sealed, airtight containers to prevent pests (like rodents and insects) from contaminating the feed. Plastic or metal bins with tight lids are excellent options.
4. Rotation: Use the first in, first out (FIFO) method when storing feed. Ensure that older bags are used before newer ones to avoid feed spoiling before it's consumed.
5. Check Expiration Dates: Always check for the expiration date printed on feed bags and follow the manufacturer’s recommendations for storage.

Summary:

• Layer Pellets/Crumbles: 6-12 months. Treats (Mealworms, Dried Fruits): 6-12 months.
• Scratch Grains: 6-12 months. Grit/Oyster Shells: Indefinite (as long as kept dry).
• Whole Grains: 6-12 months. Supplements (Calcium, Vitamin Mixes): 1-2 years.
• Oils: 6-12 months.

By properly storing these feeds and supplements, you can ensure their nutritional value remains intact and that your chickens continue to receive quality food for optimal health and egg production.
NEXT QUESTION:
Is there any way such as deep freezing any of these foods that could extend their shelf lives to at least 5 years?

 

[Dave V]

I checked, freezing could give us 5 years, but then I asked it about the volume and weight of the food...IT'S JUST NOT DOABLE. We have a huge walk-in freezer, but even if all the chicken feed would fit, we have lots of other frozen meats etc. that can't be displaced, so now I'm confronted with fresh vs frozen for a lot of people. Maybe less chickens and everyone gets an egg a week instead of every day. We got some figuring and choices to make. The AI gets at the heart of the question so quickly, but people will have to make the choices.
I asked:
The food for 300 chickens for 5 years - how much could it weigh in US pounds and what would be its volume in cubic feet for storage?
The AI said:
To estimate the amount of food for 300 chickens over 5 years in terms of weight (in pounds) and volume (in cubic feet), we need to break it down step by step:
Step 1: Daily Food Requirement for a Chicken
On average, an adult laying hen eats around 0.25 pounds (4 oz) of feed per day.
Step 2: Food Requirement for 300 Chickens Per Day
For 300 chickens, the daily feed consumption would be:
300 chickens×0.25 pounds/day=75 pounds/day300 \text{ chickens} \times 0.25 \text{ pounds/day} = 75 \text{ pounds/day}300 chickens×0.25 pounds/day=75 pounds/day
Step 3: Food Requirement for 300 Chickens Per Year
To find the yearly requirement, multiply the daily consumption by the number of days in a year (365 days):
75 pounds/day×365 days/year=27,375 pounds/year75 \text{ pounds/day} \times 365 \text{ days/year} = 27,375 \text{ pounds/year}75 pounds/day×365 days/year=27,375 pounds/year
Step 4: Food Requirement for 300 Chickens Over 5 Years
Multiply the yearly food requirement by 5 years:
27,375 pounds/year×5 years=136,875 pounds27,375 \text{ pounds/year} \times 5 \text{ years} = 136,875 \text{ pounds}27,375 pounds/year×5 years=136,875 pounds
Step 5: Volume in Cubic Feet for Storage
The volume of chicken feed can vary depending on the type of feed and its density, but for typical poultry feed, the average bulk density is approximately 40 pounds per cubic foot.
To find the volume, divide the total weight by the feed density:
136,875 pounds40 pounds/cubic foot=3,421.875 cubic feet\frac{136,875 \text{ pounds}}{40 \text{ pounds/cubic foot}} = 3,421.875 \text{ cubic feet}40 pounds/cubic foot136,875 pounds=3,421.875 cubic feet
Final Estimate:

• Weight: 136,875 pounds of feed for 300 chickens over 5 years.
• Volume: 3,421.875 cubic feet of storage space would be needed to hold this amount of feed.

These calculations assume constant feed consumption and no wastage. Adjustments might be needed based on actual feed quality, chicken age, and any losses.

JUST NOT DOABLE - Maybe we end all live animal trials.
Maybe no chickens, no fish, no rabbits, and no shrimp.
Obviously from the numbers, none of these are sustainable inside for more than a year.
That means either reverting to mostly canned food or moving outside if it's safe.
The green houses can supply supplemental veggies, so that may have to be enough "fresh" food to satisfy folks. Best laid plans.., I guess we've been fooling ourselves.
Sorry for the meltdown.