Are you ready? I think this is gonna be a rough couple years.

[poltiregist]

most of our members remember the same advice given over and over for many years to prepare for what has now befallen . Go rural and get debt free . - Unfortunately for too many that could have gone that route instead was lured in actuality like a bug to a light , to those flashing city lights , high paying jobs , and happy meals .

 

[elkhound]

I think I have given up trying to convince Americans that some sort of public health insurance is better than what we have here ( I have lived in both systems, and prefer Germany's healthcare system). No system is perfect but somehow I think health insurance should be non profit and not have CEOs that make billions while all it takes for the average person to lose a job , and get sick to be bankcrupt
The system here only benefits big pharma, hospital administrators and the poor that get everything for free, the rest of the people pay and if lucky never get into a situation where they have no insurance ( job loss, self employed, part time jobs without insurance ) and need to go to a hospital.
The system in the US is designed to destroy the middle class all the way around. That is why we left it, and became poor, so we got a head start...LOL

up to mid 1970's health care stuff was non profit by law...then feds took that law away and we were off to the races then...and now here we are...its screwed up for sure.

 

[sonya123]

up to mid 1970's health care stuff was non profit by law...then feds took that law away and we were off to the races then...and now here we are...its screwed up for sure.

didn't live here then, but what I have seen since moving to the US is not good. The actual health care seems to be comparable to what you get in Europe. If you need heart surgery, you can get both done in either place, if you break a leg, you can get that taken care of in either place and so on. It's the way things get paid for ( the insurance part) that is so crappy here. In Europe, everyone pays and everyone gets health care. Doctors are not super rich, but they get paid well. Specialists get paid more just like here ( there was one living down the road from my parents with a big house with pool) . Medical schools are free over there and you get in based on merrit only. So no stupid people get to be doctors, no matter what race or how much money their parents have. That's a good thing.
Here, if you are poor, you get everything free. If you are rich, health care and insurance is a minor thing. If you are middle class , you pay and pay . When I had a job in Florida, it cost $12 000 for just myself for the insurance. And that didn't even pay for everything. No dental, plus co pay, plus whatever extra doctors and hospitals wanted to charge. If you lose your job you get nothing. You could pay for Cobra, but that is so expensive, unemployed people can't usually afford it.
So all it takes is a company you work for to go under, you lose your job. Then you just happen to get into a non car accident, or need some surgery for something. Guess what happens? You get a million $ bill from the hospital, and they will take everything you have and take some of your money when you get another job again also. It's a very terrible system.
And they have lied about this for so long, most people in the US totally believe healthcare in Europe is terrible and people are dying in the street, and they don't treat old people and so on. None of it is true. Its like the global warming crap. If you tell a lie long enough and enough social media posts on it, people will believe it. At least a lot of people. All you have to do is follow the money to see why. Who benefits from the exisiting system? Ask yourself that! Not the average population. Just the insurance companies, big pharma , the politicians, the hospital administrators, the medical schools. Not even the doctors!

 

[elkhound]

didn't live here then, but what I have seen since moving to the US is not good. The actual health care seems to be comparable to what you get in Europe. If you need heart surgery, you can get both done in either place, if you break a leg, you can get that taken care of in either place and so on. It's the way things get paid for ( the insurance part) that is so crappy here. In Europe, everyone pays and everyone gets health care. Doctors are not super rich, but they get paid well. Specialists get paid more just like here ( there was one living down the road from my parents with a big house with pool) . Medical schools are free over there and you get in based on merrit only. So no stupid people get to be doctors, no matter what race or how much money their parents have. That's a good thing.
Here, if you are poor, you get everything free. If you are rich, health care and insurance is a minor thing. If you are middle class , you pay and pay . When I had a job in Florida, it cost $12 000 for just myself for the insurance. And that didn't even pay for everything. No dental, plus co pay, plus whatever extra doctors and hospitals wanted to charge. If you lose your job you get nothing. You could pay for Cobra, but that is so expensive, unemployed people can't usually afford it.
So all it takes is a company you work for to go under, you lose your job. Then you just happen to get into a non car accident, or need some surgery for something. Guess what happens? You get a million $ bill from the hospital, and they will take everything you have and take some of your money when you get another job again also. It's a very terrible system.
And they have lied about this for so long, most people in the US totally believe healthcare in Europe is terrible and people are dying in the street, and they don't treat old people and so on. None of it is true. Its like the global warming crap. If you tell a lie long enough and enough social media posts on it, people will believe it. At least a lot of people. All you have to do is follow the money to see why. Who benefits from the exisiting system? Ask yourself that! Not the average population. Just the insurance companies, big pharma , the politicians, the hospital administrators, the medical schools. Not even the doctors!

 

[sonya123]

you just wait....lol...I am sure someone is going to post on here soon " but but but...in CANADA they have to wait YEARS to get a knee replacement and all come to the US ....etc etc...."

 

[elkhound]

you just wait....lol...I am sure someone is going to post on here soon " but but but...in CANADA they have to wait YEARS to get a knee replacement and all come to the US ....etc etc...."

they will want to burn us on a stake.........lol

probably call us closet communist !

put congress and house on same health care and such as us peasants you see things get fixed real fast....lol...trump executive order #987...all people one insurance....them old seniors in office fall over i tell ya...heart failure.

all that money trump is finding i hope they use it to buy more public land for us peasant types....lol

 

[mml373]

From everything that I can see, this looks like it's going to be a great 4 years. Even longer if Vance gets elected after Trump.
Gold is approaching $3000, which is great if you own gold, the stock market has gone up by over 2100 points YTD. This is great news for anyone with a retirement or investment account. Real estate values have continued going up, good news if you own property.
Trump and his team are doing a fantastic job of exposing government waste and corruption and cutting the size of the federal workforce (civil servents). They have got the border secure and have started deporting the illegal aliens out of our country. There's still a lot more to be done, but we are making great progress so far.

Yes, those awful civil servants...who are being removed without cause. Do you know that their termination letters say, "poor performance" is the reason despite the fact they have nothing excellent performance reviews? Some are too new to even have a performance review, yet. Some have served for years and were newly promoted (thus, probationary period employees) again). That language on letters is wrong, is a slap in the face to those who have served honorably, and may prevent them from being able to get unemployment while looking for work. Will they be counted on the unemployment numbers next tally?

The cuts to the civil service do not make a dent in the federal deficit and will impact lawful functions for which the government is responsible. The cuts were never thought out, go beyond elimination of DEI and actual government waste, nobody ever looked at people's performance reviews, and the cuts are hurting people unnecessarily. It is political theater and is going to have negative consequences on the Republican party in the long term and on the economy in the short term.

I have pulled over $600/mo in services and charitable donations to the homeless as a result of employment uncertainty now, and will take my kids out of daycare and private school in our rural area if I am fired. The effects WILL be felt in our small local economy, as they should be. Everything is connected and people rely on each other; not all government jobs are waste or not aligned with lawful duties and responsibilities government has to taxpayers.

People who wish for or celebrate the loss of folks' jobs, especially without cause as is being done now, are awful, and I mean that. I'd tell you what I really think but that kind of talk is not allowed here so I'll be civil. There's no excuse for celebrating "cuts to the civil service" especially as is being done now. And, yes, I supported Trump but I supported cuts of actual waste. Not an irresponsible destruction of the civil service. Your thinking and similar thinking on this issue is ignorant and plain wrong. The cuts are going beyond what was necessary, are abusive, and are underhanded and a lot of prior supporters are becoming rather put off with this administration. (Most of) the federal employees aren't where the waste is...it's in the programs that top-tier leadership put in place.

 

[poltiregist]

People who wish for or celebrate the loss of folks' jobs, especially without cause, are awful, and I mean that. I'd tell you what I really think but that kind of talk is not allowed here so I'll be civil. There's no excuse for celebrating "cuts to the civil service" especially as is being done now. And, yes, I supported Trump but I supported cuts of actual waste. Not an irresponsible destruction of the civil service. Your thinking and similar thinking on this is ignorant. ------------ I defiantly fall into that " awful " and " ignorant " category and am proud of it . I wasn't bull sh--ing about preparing for such matters . Actually my preparations only make this a minor thing on my survival grounds , as I have prepared for much worse . Remember the prepper motto " prepare for the worst and hope for the best " . -- I am all for cutting the needless government spending which means more freedom from government trying to dictate the lives of the peasants . Remember the movie " Braveheart " shouting " freedom " . -- Those getting their cushy jobs cut out from under them may be able to find work picking farm crops and working in meat processing plants as I hear there is now some job openings .

 

[Mountain trapper]

Yes, those awful civil servants...who are being removed without cause. Do you know that their termination letters say, "poor performance" is the reason despite the fact they have nothing excellent performance reviews? Some are too new to even have a performance review, yet. Some have served for years and were newly promoted (thus, probationary period employees) again). That language on letters is wrong, is a slap in the face to those who have served honorably, and may prevent them from being able to get unemployment while looking for work. Will they be counted on the unemployment numbers next tally?

The cuts to the civil service do not make a dent in the federal deficit and will impact lawful functions for which the government is responsible. The cuts were never thought out, go beyond elimination of DEI and actual government waste, nobody ever looked at people's performance reviews, and the cuts are hurting people unnecessarily. It is political theater and is going to have negative consequences on the Republican party in the long term and on the economy in the short term.

I have pulled over $600/mo in services and charitable donations to the homeless as a result of employment uncertainty now, and will take my kids out of daycare and private school in our rural area if I am fired. The effects WILL be felt in our small local economy, as they should be. Everything is connected and people rely on each other; not all government jobs are waste or not aligned with lawful duties and responsibilities government has to taxpayers.

People who wish for or celebrate the loss of folks' jobs, especially without cause as is being done now, are awful, and I mean that. I'd tell you what I really think but that kind of talk is not allowed here so I'll be civil. There's no excuse for celebrating "cuts to the civil service" especially as is being done now. And, yes, I supported Trump but I supported cuts of actual waste. Not an irresponsible destruction of the civil service. Your thinking and similar thinking on this issue is ignorant and plain wrong. The cuts are going beyond what was necessary, are abusive, and are underhanded and a lot of prior supporters are becoming rather put off with this administration.

Our government is too big and needs to be cut. Nobody ever shed a tear when I lost my jobs before. If these civil servants are so great they won't have any problem finding another job, I always did.
I hope these cuts continue and go far deeper.

 

[elkhound]

balanced budget....we cant keep living fake prosperity through on going debt without paying it back...we cant live our personal lives like that...no entity,corporate,state,county,city or feds either..for very long...its time to stop the bleed...then get a better handle on out of control stuff and then start adding back the things we need as a society.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Government was never meant to be all things to all people. Did anyone care when Biden canceled the Keystone pipeline and 15,000 good hard working Americans lost their jobs? I have much more sympathy for them than I do for some government slackers losing their jobs.

 

[Magus]

I like my insurance...it's not free....it's double than before Obamacare. But, I don't have to wait very long to be treated. The problem is finding the best doctors...it's slim pickins since Covid, and the mandatory VAX dictated by the hospital conglomerates.

What free insurance do you have? Any problems with it?

I had United, they were OK until they cut out my food card and everyone suddenly quit taking their insurance, I went to Etna on my doctor's advice (They were having trouble getting United to pay up!) everybody takes them here. if you want the good stuff, ask your doctors who they like to deal with best, I even got my food card back, 750$ a year!

 

[Snowman]

mml373 said:


People who wish for or celebrate the loss of folks' jobs, especially without cause, are awful, and I mean that. I'd tell you what I really think but that kind of talk is not allowed here so I'll be civil. There's no excuse for celebrating "cuts to the civil service" especially as is being done now. And, yes, I supported Trump but I supported cuts of actual waste. Not an irresponsible destruction of the civil service. Your thinking and similar thinking on this is ignorant. ------------ I defiantly fall into that " awful " and " ignorant " category and am proud of it . I wasn't bull sh--ing about preparing for such matters . Actually my preparations only make this a minor thing on my survival grounds , as I have prepared for much worse . Remember the prepper motto " prepare for the worst and hope for the best " . -- I am all for cutting the needless government spending which means more freedom from government trying to dictate the lives of the peasants . Remember the movie " Braveheart " shouting " freedom " . -- Those getting their cushy jobs cut out from under them may be able to find work picking farm crops and working in meat processing plants as I hear there is now some job openings .

@poltiregist : Why is Your response to mml373 inside their Post and not seperate from their Post...?!?

 

[poltiregist]

mml373 said:


People who wish for or celebrate the loss of folks' jobs, especially without cause, are awful, and I mean that. I'd tell you what I really think but that kind of talk is not allowed here so I'll be civil. There's no excuse for celebrating "cuts to the civil service" especially as is being done now. And, yes, I supported Trump but I supported cuts of actual waste. Not an irresponsible destruction of the civil service. Your thinking and similar thinking on this is ignorant. ------------ I defiantly fall into that " awful " and " ignorant " category and am proud of it . I wasn't bull sh--ing about preparing for such matters . Actually my preparations only make this a minor thing on my survival grounds , as I have prepared for much worse . Remember the prepper motto " prepare for the worst and hope for the best " . -- I am all for cutting the needless government spending which means more freedom from government trying to dictate the lives of the peasants . Remember the movie " Braveheart " shouting " freedom " . -- Those getting their cushy jobs cut out from under them may be able to find work picking farm crops and working in meat processing plants as I hear there is now some job openings .

@poltiregist : Why is Your response to mml373 is inside their Post and not seperate from their Post...?!?

I accidently or ignorantly clicked on the reply button twice and had two reply statements after erasing one of them and posting my comment , it came up that way , so I separated mm1373 and my response with those---- thingys . That just shows my computer , technology ignorance .

 

[Snowman]

Just Curious as sometimes when I Post, flashing Green Bars float by that Green Banner up top and the Post or Quote or Reply gets real slow to get entered...!

 

[Mountain trapper]

I don't celebrate anyone losing their job. Over my working career I've had to lay off thousands of good hard working people. It was what was best for the company and that was my job. Cutting government head count is what is best for our country. We need a lot more drastic cuts. And that's going to mean a lot more taxpayer funded government employees losing their jobs. To me that's a good thing for the tax payers and for our country.
Keep up the good work Don and Elon.

 

[Magus]

Yes, those awful civil servants...who are being removed without cause. Do you know that their termination letters say, "poor performance" is the reason despite the fact they have nothing excellent performance reviews? Some are too new to even have a performance review, yet. Some have served for years and were newly promoted (thus, probationary period employees) again). That language on letters is wrong, is a slap in the face to those who have served honorably, and may prevent them from being able to get unemployment while looking for work. Will they be counted on the unemployment numbers next tally?

The cuts to the civil service do not make a dent in the federal deficit and will impact lawful functions for which the government is responsible. The cuts were never thought out, go beyond elimination of DEI and actual government waste, nobody ever looked at people's performance reviews, and the cuts are hurting people unnecessarily. It is political theater and is going to have negative consequences on the Republican party in the long term and on the economy in the short term.

I have pulled over $600/mo in services and charitable donations to the homeless as a result of employment uncertainty now, and will take my kids out of daycare and private school in our rural area if I am fired. The effects WILL be felt in our small local economy, as they should be. Everything is connected and people rely on each other; not all government jobs are waste or not aligned with lawful duties and responsibilities government has to taxpayers.

People who wish for or celebrate the loss of folks' jobs, especially without cause as is being done now, are awful, and I mean that. I'd tell you what I really think but that kind of talk is not allowed here so I'll be civil. There's no excuse for celebrating "cuts to the civil service" especially as is being done now. And, yes, I supported Trump but I supported cuts of actual waste. Not an irresponsible destruction of the civil service. Your thinking and similar thinking on this issue is ignorant and plain wrong. The cuts are going beyond what was necessary, are abusive, and are underhanded and a lot of prior supporters are becoming rather put off with this administration. (Most of) the federal employees aren't where the waste is...it's in the programs that top-tier leadership put in place.

Too many cooks spoil the stew. Many were there just to fill some racial/sexual/gender quota anyway. I have a first cousin who's been slopping at that trough since I was a kid, but he's a hard-line Democrat and should have expected his job to go away under a real conservative, especially after shooting his mouth off so much about us stupid Republicans, BUT to be fair, he does do a good job doing NOTHING but look for smoke in the woods all day, I could do his job FFS! So yeah, clean out the old boy, gravy train, warm body jobs once and for all.

 

[Snowman]

Anybody Working for any Gov't Dept, You Are Replaceable and Expendable at their Discretion...!!!

 

[Mountain trapper]

Anybody Working for any Gov't Dept, You Are Replaceable and Expendable at their Discretion...!!!

As is should be. The way it is in the private sector.

 

[sonya123]

The cuts to the civil service do not make a dent in the federal deficit and will impact lawful functions for which the government is responsible.

the federal government is responsible for protecting the borders of this country, regulating interstate commerce and making sure the constitution is followed as far as I know ( correct me if I am wrong, history was not something I memorized a ton while in college or out, but I do follow politics)
The rest of the stuff is up to the States, right?
The federal government is NOT responsible for protecting Ukraine, telling people what gender they are, telling employers and universities who they can and cannot hire, not responsible for what people want eat , drink or smoke, not responsible for education at all, not responsible for a ton of other stuff they do.
So what is it you do that you think is important enough for your job to get paid with tax money? I am ok with the federal government doing things that are needed and benefit everyone like making sure planes don't crash all over the place or bridges fall down. That wasn't an issue when they wrote the constitution but is important now . I am also ok with some environmental regulations since what goes into a river in one State can affect another downstream, that sort of thing.

 

[sonya123]

one more thing: Arbeitsbeschaffungsmassnahmen! LOL that is what the federal government here does ( look it up )
its what the DDR did so there was no unemployment

 

[Snowman]

It will Happen here in time...!!!

 

[SoJer]

Solid thread. I'll 'skip the needle on the record', yet again.. We. Are. Here...

..It Will Sink - simply a matter of 'When' / what the 'last straw' will be.. 'DJT' - as honorable as his 'motives' are - is Only a 'speed bump'.. a speed-bump, that came within a Centimeter of not even Existing, right now, so.. Perspective.

But the 'who / when / where / why and How', doesn't matter - All that Matters is Get Thee / Thine TO yer 'lifeboats' (BOL's / MAGs, etc) - Now - whilst we still all Can.. Cuz, once this Ship's decent into the abyss finally goes 'kinetic'.. it's gonna be 'Faster and Furiouser' than Any of us / the world has ever Seen.. (IMO.. Do what you Can do, Now.

.02
jd

 

[Magus]

It's a freak out to realize that someday in our lifetimes, we'll be gathered here to make a final post.
I'll probably post a recipe or how to make SEMTEX or something.

 

[Snowman]

Not until that fat Lady Sings...!!! If She is Still Singing...!! Or Maybe, just Maybe a MAN will get the Last Word or Post... only Time will Record that...!

 

[montanabill]

It's a freak out to realize that someday in our lifetimes, we'll be gathered here to make a final post.
I'll probably post a recipe or how to make SEMTEX or something.

Good idea for a thread to while away the time till the lights go out....Semtex, grass soup recipes that don't give you the runs, how to leave info and knowledge that can be discovered in 1000 years,

I just signed up and watched "Homestead" depressing movie, illustrating what can go wrong with a BOL or MAG ... I think they used a A.I. search of all the cheesy apocalypse movies.

 

[TBob]

Only if you let it be.

You can remove some of it..but some stuff stays forever and can be found fairly easy.

 

[Magus]

Good idea for a thread to while away the time till the lights go out....Semtex, grass soup recipes that don't give you the runs, how to leave info and knowledge that can be discovered in 1000 years,

I just signed up and watched "Homestead" depressing movie, illustrating what can go wrong with a BOL or MAG ... I think they used a A.I. search of all the cheesy apocalypse movies.

Was it as horrible as "the divide"?

 

[montanabill]

Was it as horrible as "the divide"?

I guess it has some redeeming qualities and tips....just hard to get into a soap opera...i will watch it again and take notes...
I would like to see the book Patriots made into a movie.......

 

[Mountain trapper]

I guess it has some redeeming qualities and tips....just hard to get into a soap opera...i will watch it again and take notes...
I would like to see the book Patriots made into a movie.......

I think I read that book Patriots. It was a series of books wasn't it?