Electric Cars
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In the past I would tolerate idiots. Now I must be getting too old, as I just don't have the patience. Say stupid stuff, then defend stupid saying and I will certainly not miss your presence. A 26 year old has not lived long enough to teach me about life. Such arrogance can only come from youth and poor parental teaching. If you can't respect your elders, then resect your betters, they earned it.
Same for your smart phone and computer and pretty much anything else tech or food based. Only way to be sure is to buy local or make everything yourself.
I would stop laughing if I were you because if AOC gets her green deal that is all you wil be allowed to drive.
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Her green deal will never go through. Biden used it for young liberal votes. He'll allow what is now, but with higher tax on it, so he can make more money. There isn't enough money in the whole world to pay for her green deal.
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Yep, for their own pockets.
I'm surprised Pelosi hasn't taken out the squad yet. Pelosi is white and old, and you know how they feel about that.
I'm surprised Pelosi hasn't taken out the squad yet. Pelosi is white and old, and you know how they feel about that.
The Green Deal is only there to financially squeeze the population down to the last cent, ask the Germans what that costs but ask the right ones. Many of them are so brainwashed that you now believe everything Mutti Merkel says and you would like to have a lot more numbers for your conscience and endless restrictions.
Many of you still think that only green and clean electricity comes out of your socket, although solar and wind power plants in Germany currently deliver practically nothing and the electricity comes from coal-fired power plants and French nuclear power plants because the weather is not good for renewable energy bad is.
Many of you still think that only green and clean electricity comes out of your socket, although solar and wind power plants in Germany currently deliver practically nothing and the electricity comes from coal-fired power plants and French nuclear power plants because the weather is not good for renewable energy bad is.
In theory, where you buy an electric car, the battery is good for the life of the car, you charge it up with solar power, and it costs the same as a regular car---in that case, I am all in.
But what I see are city types in a Prius sending a middle finger virtue signal to all us 4x4 pickup truck drivers in rural areas.
But what I see are city types in a Prius sending a middle finger virtue signal to all us 4x4 pickup truck drivers in rural areas.
In many cases you buy the electric car but are only leasing the battery, many of the batteries are life expired after 7 to 8 years, they are expensive to recycle. Average PV panel will take up to 12 hours to charge a car battery.
Interesting forum topic. My brother-in-law drove his new Tesla out to New Mexico. The nearest fast charge station was over 100 miles away. He could plug it into our house power and it would take 12 hours for a charge. Good point about the diesel, there was a Santa Fe locomotive parked near my house, I was looking it over and the digital display read over 1200 gal. of diesel in the fuel tank. Without AC power how are you going to buy gasoline? When SHTF or an EMP attack a bike or horse will be the only transportation.
How do charge an rolling toaster without AC power? Except you'll install an own solar park instead of an garden at home and are willing to spend 40k for it?
Gasoline you can "borrow" with an manual fuel pump or an portable drilling machine pump (if the batterie is full).
Buying you can forget in the most cases too because nearly all cashier systems are working only electic and with internet - at least in Europe.
Too true too true. Can you imagine life anywhere, but especially rural life, without a car? I really can't myself. I know many talk about being totally self sufficient but how many trips do they take to that local town or to visit a friend every year? Down miles and miles of dirt road, up and down hills. I cycle and I avoid hills like the plague!
I thought this was a prepping forum. Now I don’t know if the original poster was a troll or not, but don’t care either way. She brought up a legitimate topic that relates to prepping and was beat down in every way. I brought up a topic earlier about electric cars once here and was bashed by everyone as well. Isn’t the point of this forum to discuss topics? Sure most here don’t believe oil pollutes, new technology is evil and aren’t willing to consider anything new. But without new technology we would still be riding horses and internal combustion cars would never have been developed. EV’s are coming and I am certain they will out perform regular vehicles in every way. Are they there yet, no. But in the short time they have been around the advances are phenomenal. The cheapest Tesla can out perform any corvette, mustang or camero out there, by far. When the cyber truck comes, with a 500 mile range, and more power than any diesel out there people will start to notice. Hopefully the competition will come up with more normal looking trucks to be accepted more, but the specs of Tesla are amazing. Yes, I will own an electric before too long, along with solar panels that can charge it at home for free. I don’t see how that isn’t a smart prepping goal. Not to mention why would anyone with new ideas being ridiculed about ideas just is about stupid and anti productive.
I cant see electric cars being any more than a city runaround in the UK, the infrastructure for charging in rural areas just isnt there and in any case I cant see the oil lobby and petroleum industry just sitting meekly back and going out of business.
Same in Oz, and won't be for many years. At my age I'll stick with a diesel Landscruiser thanks, I can drive all the way across the country with a single refuel and every man and his dog can fix it if it breaks. And EMP probably won't affect it.
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In my area you'll be completly lost with an big SUV or PickUp except you stay on normal wide roads. If i wanna reach one of my BOL's the best i'll using one of my bikes with an trailer. The paths there are to small for something who's bigger than an Haflinger or an Fiat Panda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Pandahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr-Puch_HaflingerThere's not enough electric power to reload more than an radio or an power bank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Pandahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr-Puch_HaflingerThere's not enough electric power to reload more than an radio or an power bank.
I don’t know when electric vehicles will become good enough to replace current ones but my prediction is it will happen and before long. My post really wasn’t about the cars though as much as about people on this forum being courteous enough to listen to others ideas without bashing them. We are all here to hopefully learn some new ideas on prepping.
My brother in law is an engineer, pretty smart guy and a big do it
yourselfer. He recently pulled and rebuilt the transmission in his car. While it was out he had it on a jig he built to keep it organized and at work height. It was impressive, countless pieces with names I couldn’t even guess. He completed it and reinstalled it and everything works great. it did take him a month of evenings and weekends though. So my point here is EV’s don’t have a transmission. They have thousands of less movable wear parts. They never need an oil change, and have way more power than regular cars, and have proven reliability of over 300,000 miles. There is enough potential here for serious consideration by any doubters. Tesla has installed a network of approximately 8000 chargers across the US, and more are being built every day. There are other companies building them as well now. I agree that EV’s won’t work for everyone and the whole concept is in its infancy still, but from a strictly prepping standpoint a car I can refuel at home while the grid is down just makes prepping sense. I think an electric motorcycle would be even better for shtf due to its stealth and maneuverability. Just some things to think about anyways..
My brother in law is an engineer, pretty smart guy and a big do it
yourselfer. He recently pulled and rebuilt the transmission in his car. While it was out he had it on a jig he built to keep it organized and at work height. It was impressive, countless pieces with names I couldn’t even guess. He completed it and reinstalled it and everything works great. it did take him a month of evenings and weekends though. So my point here is EV’s don’t have a transmission. They have thousands of less movable wear parts. They never need an oil change, and have way more power than regular cars, and have proven reliability of over 300,000 miles. There is enough potential here for serious consideration by any doubters. Tesla has installed a network of approximately 8000 chargers across the US, and more are being built every day. There are other companies building them as well now. I agree that EV’s won’t work for everyone and the whole concept is in its infancy still, but from a strictly prepping standpoint a car I can refuel at home while the grid is down just makes prepping sense. I think an electric motorcycle would be even better for shtf due to its stealth and maneuverability. Just some things to think about anyways..
In another forum i asked one about how much space and money i need to install an completly solar powered charging station for an normal electric car because there was the topic to use something like this as BOV too. Luckywise there are some engineers in the forum too.
Wanna know the answer? You need to fill the roof of your house with solar panels. Then you need the whole stuff to convert this solar power until you can load your batteries in an reasonable time. Estimated costs for it in Central Europe going from 30k to 40k.
You need sunshine too for an perfect loading. You need an electricity storage if you're using your electric mobility during daytime and loading in the night. Moonsun isn't effective enough.
The whole system isn't transportable anymore anyways. When you're somewhere in middle of nowwhere you may think about to reload your batteries with an generator. But you need fuel to let an generator run. If i count the weight and the size of an generator and the required fuel i'll tend to store only fuel and escape with an traditional diesel or gasoline car. The best compromise may would be an hybrid car....
If the situations go so worse i need to bug out i'm absolutly sure electric power plants are down too. If it shall come to an war (what i don't hope) one of the first targets would be the power supply of an area or country. Because we're so dependent in our modern life about electric power that no infrastructure will survive without.
And if the reason for an electric car in the SHTF is the climate protection - you can smoke it. If i'm in the situation where i have to care about my surviving i will have other problems than any engine emissions.
Wanna know the answer? You need to fill the roof of your house with solar panels. Then you need the whole stuff to convert this solar power until you can load your batteries in an reasonable time. Estimated costs for it in Central Europe going from 30k to 40k.
You need sunshine too for an perfect loading. You need an electricity storage if you're using your electric mobility during daytime and loading in the night. Moonsun isn't effective enough.
The whole system isn't transportable anymore anyways. When you're somewhere in middle of nowwhere you may think about to reload your batteries with an generator. But you need fuel to let an generator run. If i count the weight and the size of an generator and the required fuel i'll tend to store only fuel and escape with an traditional diesel or gasoline car. The best compromise may would be an hybrid car....
If the situations go so worse i need to bug out i'm absolutly sure electric power plants are down too. If it shall come to an war (what i don't hope) one of the first targets would be the power supply of an area or country. Because we're so dependent in our modern life about electric power that no infrastructure will survive without.
And if the reason for an electric car in the SHTF is the climate protection - you can smoke it. If i'm in the situation where i have to care about my surviving i will have other problems than any engine emissions.
The main limitation with a transition to electric is the global lithium reserve. The estimated reserves planet wide are about 15 million tons. Oil reserves, 1.5 trillion barrels. For all practical purposes the lithium is non-recyclable so we would have consumed it all long before we electrified even half of the world's fleets.
The whole EV transition is just an exercise in hopium, something to keep the masses distracted while we burn through the last of the oil reserves. Oil we use of course to extract transport and refine said lithium. It's all a joke as far as I am concerned. Electric bicycles though, that could have promise.
The whole EV transition is just an exercise in hopium, something to keep the masses distracted while we burn through the last of the oil reserves. Oil we use of course to extract transport and refine said lithium. It's all a joke as far as I am concerned. Electric bicycles though, that could have promise.
My son stopped by yesterday on his way to Idaho. He was driving his electric car. It is for city folks. It doesn't even have a spare tire. Charging stations are few and far apart, and it takes hours to fully charge. Fortunately it also has a small gas engine. When they make one that runs on solar power I may consider buying one. That is a long way off.
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And then there's California with their power outs on windy days. But, isn't that really the plan? The govt would really prefer you to stay home and shut up.
Back in the day, I used to race bicycles, Tour de France style.
When the fuel is gone, our world will shrink to how far you can walk in a day, bicycle in a day, or if you are lucky enough to have a horse. Even then we are limited on how far that horse can go.
Just to get to the edge of town and back is a all day event for my Amish neighbors by horse.
I have to respectfully disagree.
Based off the differing materials needed for a EV (I posted an article about those requirements in another thread), the real and hidden costs of going green does not add up to being more environmentally friendly.
Honda GoldWings, or BMW 850GS. They can be at the driveway by the time I hear them.
Big Harleys, I can hear them a good ways off, even more when they mod their mufflers to be loud.
Big lifted trucks with oversized tires, I can hear them a good ways off too.
I can even tell when the UPS or FedEx truck is slowing down for a delivery, even out in the fields with the livestock.
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JMHO here, An EV is just a green wet dream. Cons outweigh the pros. No inferstruc to support them currently. Takes a LONG time to charge the battery. Good for short junts but not a real road trip. I'm still waiting for the flying car from the Jetsons! Call me old fashioned but I don't see it happening.
I think I know this forum that you mentioned, 95% of the members there live in a different world. They think seriously you can shut down all nuclear and fossil fuel power plants in your country and you are even doing it and then still the whole motorized traffic to convert to electric and everything is no problem. Why also, if there is a blackout he is anyway with solar well bridgeable.
Sorry how can you think only so idiotic as the, but just, it's Germans, and they're just fine enough with ever tougher restrictions on Corona, restrictions because of climate change and you're best if Mutti you all locked up and you may only work with a FFP3 mask with an OP mask that you tie over the other mask and live in an endless lockdown what you think is the safest......
Crap, crap, crap, for such people everything is lost and it turns my stomach when I read such crap from them already.
As for electric cars, sounds good but will have no future here with the current policy where it is best to shut down all power plants and shortly thereafter blown up. In the event of a blackout, thousands of the boxes stand around unusable, and in a war, the energy grid will probably be one of the biggest targets.
I'm not kidding myself, even gasoline cars are no longer usable for so long in a conflict, you can pump out the tank of other cars, but everything that is still driving around in a crisis will be the first target of military or marauders, you will be the same target as if you have conspicuous light or heating in the house in a blackout in the winter. For me, a vehicle is not relevant in a crisis, here all roads will then be unusable or you are fair game, for the reason I rather trust my feet.
