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If gasoline gets scarce, won't the same thing will happen to diesel? Aren't both products produced in the same refineries? The last power source to be shut down will be electricity because so many power plants are coal fired, and the coal is mined right here in the US. Also, since the power plants usually aren't very close to each other geographically, they don't present much of a target, since if you shut one down, a different one picks up the load, which isn't the case with gas and diesel as was demonstrated when some Russians shut down the pipeline that supplies most of the east coast. Power suppliers utilize monopolies and economies of scale, which is why electricity is so cheap in most of the country. Of course, I'm not referring to Texas, where if it snows a foot the power goes off and you get a power bill for five grand.
Makes sense to prep using gas, diesel, and electric. I've got gas trucks, diesel trucks, and I've been looking for a used electric car for several years but the dealers say that the trade ins are sold as soon as they hit the lots. One that I looked at had the battery compartment under the passenger area, so their was a trunk in the front and the rest was a hatchback, so there was a surprising amount of room. .
Makes sense to prep using gas, diesel, and electric. I've got gas trucks, diesel trucks, and I've been looking for a used electric car for several years but the dealers say that the trade ins are sold as soon as they hit the lots. One that I looked at had the battery compartment under the passenger area, so their was a trunk in the front and the rest was a hatchback, so there was a surprising amount of room. .
I’ve considered getting an antique car and retrofitting it to electric. The 30’s Ford pickups are pretty cool looking and have a bed you could line with the batteries then cover it with a new bed. But by the time you do all that you will have as much invested as a new Tesla which has the latest technologies and comforts. Something to think about anyways. As far as prepping goes for electric cars having a solar panel bank to recharge it at home is the smartest option. Prepping is all about being as self reliant as possible.
You really want to destroy historical cultural assets? Sounds like you have no respect for the engineering art of our fathers and forefathers.
I’ve had an original antique car before. Yes I love the style and design, but it was noisy, uncomfortable and needed work all the time. I have no problem with keeping the original style but gutting it and bringing it into the 21st century. It’s the best if both worlds. Now, if you’re getting it as a museum piece its great to keep it original. But if you want a daily driver then improvements are nice. I really like air conditioning, power steering, brakes with dual master cylinders for safety, seat belts, entertainment system, smooth rides etc.
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I dont have a problem with electric cars. I think that whoever wants one should get one. A couple things that I've never heard talked about is, how long do they take to charge? How long does a charge last when its cold and the heater/defroster is on? How about 4 wheel drive? Not everyone lives in urban areas where they're only a few miles from shopping, work etc. Or on flat ground. How about those of us that need a real truck, that live in mountainous areas, cold winters, and everything is a long distance away. I guess we should all move to town?
I just dont see the sense in trying to force something on people when there's already a good product on the market, and there's an abundant amount of fuel available.
I just dont see the sense in trying to force something on people when there's already a good product on the market, and there's an abundant amount of fuel available.
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I am interested in having an electric off road vehicle and here is why: If you have independent electric motors for each wheel (some do, most don't) then drive trains and differentials become obsolete. And you always have full power to every wheel.
As far as how much "pulling power" you could have, modern locomotives use electric motors. The electricity is generated on board by diesel engines.
As far as how much "pulling power" you could have, modern locomotives use electric motors. The electricity is generated on board by diesel engines.
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I worked at a nickel mine years ago and they used diesel electric haul trucks. Thats different than using battery power. I’ve still never heard anything about how long it takes to charge an EV. What kind of charge life do they have when the temp is around zero with the heater/defroster on and in real 4 wheel drive, not part time. How do they preform in the mountains on steep grades, deep snow, pulling a heavy load. I'm hauling a load of cattle to the auction on Friday. Its a 150 mile trip each way with a couple passes on the way. Would an electric truck make that trip? Or would I have to carry a generator with me?
With most EVs they take a long time 8-12 hrs on 110. Half that on 220. Most of them are crap.
Thats where Tesla has the advantage with Super Chargers. An hour and you are back on the road. Enough time to get a meal and a break.
Getting between the Super Chargers is called range anxiety.
I had range anxiety on my first road trip with a diesel. Planned out my stops.
Going down mountains adds to your range because of regenerative breaking. Going up the 3 mile hill to my house takes 6 miles of range. Going down adds 6-9 miles.
In camper mode, they take very little range off the battery overnight heating or cooling the vehicle.
Torque, performance,and handling was equal to my Porsche Boxster.
It took me a half hour longer in a Tesla with charging on SF-LA run than it did in in a gas SUV. Gas cost 125, electric 20.
These are all experiences with a M3 car. I would guesstimate with a truck in those conditions, you charge at the auction point, get lunch and go back. We won’t know until the trucks come out.
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Batteries? We don't need no stinking batteries!
Electricity doesn't have to come from batteries!My dream is to have a fuel cell powered vehicle. They will happen, I just don't think I will live long enough to see it happen.
Electric has more pulling power than diesel or gas. The 4 wheel drive is more capable than traditional cars. There are litera hundreds if less parts to wear or break down. The simplicity is one of the main pros for them. The main drawback is charging. Tesla’s charging station network is really impressive, but still dosent compare to the number of gas stations out there. But it is getting better every day.
The cyber truck has that range and more. I’m not sure what the Ford or Rivian have yet. But all of them are getting better every year. Of course the base models get less range. The higher end ones have truly impressive stats, along with the truly impressive price tags…..
On the supercharger (Tesla’s own system) you can change for 15 mins and get 200 miles if range from it. That’s not filling the batters but is a pretty decent down time.
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Again, how well do they preform in cold weather, deep snow, pulling a heavy load over mountain passes? What do you do when theres no charging stations? I'm not opposed to electric cars or trucks, I just dont see them being viable options for many/most people in rural areas. If the Left gets their dream of eliminating oil, are we all supposed to move to flat land urban areas?
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All I know is that those electric scooters in the grocery stores and hardware stores that my husband needs to use if he goes shopping with me don't have a charge on them if it's after noon, and he gets stranded in the back of the store. A few weeks ago we went through three of them. I'd have to go to the front of the store and get another and drive it to him. Don't believe the "full of battery" light on them, it's lying to you.
15 minutes for 200 miles.
I want to travel 1,000 miles. Stopping every 200 miles for 15 minutes down time to charge adds an extra hour and 15 minutes to my travel time.
Lithium- ion batteries are getting better every year, I've got some cheap 18650 flashlight batteries that are 10 - 12 years old that still hold and take a charge, and some ryobi 4amphr cordless tool battery's that are 8 years old and still get used almost every day, noe I have had two or three of each go bad but after several years of use, I'm waiting for the price of full house batteries to drop to 3-4 thousand so I can use them on my house solar system.
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Right now I can go 1,000 miles on my truck. It holds 100 gallons of fuel. Who in their right mind would trade that for a 200 mile range? When I'm traveling I dont like to stop. Our kids live 400 miles away. Either one of our Jeeps will make that trip without stopping, with fuel to spare.
But that’s just a quick charge. If you start at full charge and can go near 500 miles that’s a good start. There is no doubt that electric isn’t ready to replace all gas cars though. But think back to when the model t started. It wasn’t much better than a horse. More novelty than practical. Electric will continue to advance in all areas. There are tremendous advantages with it, but I won’t argue that it’s not there yet.
Groc stores are notorious for not maintaining their stuff either.
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An hour for a charge? Thats ridiculous. I can fill up with gas in 5 minutes. We carry our own food whenever we go anywhere and don't take breaks.
Have you ever been to a livestock auction? Can you imagine 250 trucks each with a 20 to 40 foot stock trailer trying to charge their batteries? Thats just more silly talk. Usually when I go to the auction I dump the cattle off and head home. I don't even shut the motor off. When we go visit the kids 400 miles away we dont stop.
I do think there could be a place for an electric vehicle in overpopulated urban areas and for short distances. But not in most parts of the country.
Thats comparing an optioned out truck (or added tank) to a stock vehicle Is unfair. My diesel only has a 38 gallon tank, but I went 500 miles on it.
Any Jeep I ever owned never made it past 350 miles to a tank.
I get it, electric may not be for you. You may not have the infrastructure in your area
But ours has been one of the most worry free cars, a fun car with acceleration unparalleled by gas, cheaper than gas and if I go the way of Supercharger network a relaxing because I take the breaks to stretch my legs.
I wouldn’t discount them totally. Only some of them. Leafs, Porsche electric, Polestar, do not have the structure to charge.
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Fair enough. But can you add batteries to your electric car to increase your range? My wifes Grand Cherokee has a range of 400+ miles. And thats with a V8. Oh, I miscalculated, my kids are around 375 miles away.
There is no infrastructure in my area, just mountains and steep canyons.
I absolutely do think theres a place for electric cars for some people in some parts of the country. Just not where many of us live. We rarely drive just for the fun of it. And when we do its in the mountains on rough roads that a sporty little electric would never make it. Plus you'd have to carry a generator to keep it charged.
And I have a road that passes enough to be call a pass around here 1500 ft elevation in 3 miles. I know yours are much higher and longer
The technology is coming, infrastructure needs to be built. Presales for semis.
My v-8 Gand Cherokee never saw a gas station it didn’t like.
But it is much more viable that fuel cell.
The technology is coming, infrastructure needs to be built. Presales for semis.
My v-8 Gand Cherokee never saw a gas station it didn’t like.
But it is much more viable that fuel cell.
My wife’s Model 3 is rated for 325m range. She has a lead foot and maybe gets 250 going 90 and accelerating hard, so maybe not much difference than gas.
My overall point has been on this thread:
To help people understand the technology is close, just maybe not to everyone’s daily use.
One company has been building infrastructure, on their own.
Their vehicles out perform every other electric vehicle on the road, especially when it comes to charging.
They have offered their patents To the Main Stream Automakers
The MSAutomakers keep introducing things from 20 yr old technology.
Biden’s decrees, don’t help the company that has put $$$ into infrastructure because they are not Union.
My overall point has been on this thread:
To help people understand the technology is close, just maybe not to everyone’s daily use.
One company has been building infrastructure, on their own.
Their vehicles out perform every other electric vehicle on the road, especially when it comes to charging.
They have offered their patents To the Main Stream Automakers
The MSAutomakers keep introducing things from 20 yr old technology.
Biden’s decrees, don’t help the company that has put $$$ into infrastructure because they are not Union.
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I have done some hvac work for the CEO of Proterra, they have had many struggles with the first and second gen fleet busses. The newer technology has made them better but still not great in the colder climates. That being said the technology is the future in big cities for mass transit, not the greenest but the emissions are not as bad.
As I’ve said before, the technology is still in its infancy, yet it is getting closer to surpassing the current technology we use already. I would guess 5 to 10 years and it will be so much better people will wonder why we didn’t do the change decades ago. It took the internal combustion vehicles roughly 100 years to get as good as they are today. It’s only taken electric barely over a decade and most of that was from one private company. I am still waiting for battery and charging improvements to make a purchase, or until my current car needs to be replaced. But there is little doubt my next vehicle will be an EV. Likely a 4wd truck.
As I have said before, show me the math of the total cost of a EV, from all those raw rare earth materials, processing (and being environmentally friendly), life span, maintenance, and the environmentally friendly recycling of all those materials and not just tossing them into a landfill, then I will believe it.
