Feeding the trolls.

[user 7704]

When folks post about cross dressing etc.. like a number of post are 'baiting post' looking to combative argument or forcing a flaming reply. Tonto was targeting conservatives to provoke a response and that's quite apparent from several of his OP, followup and post. That is a troll, he had no desire in constructive dialog.

Like i posted earlier, if cross dressing was prepper related, cool, but I can't find any correlation.

 

[user 7704]

While he may have been intentionally combative and argumentative at times, I do think it is tough (and know from experience!) to have liberal views on certain issues yet still identify as a prepper and try to fit in on a prepper forum. So many conservatives and liberals as well are so hateful of the other side that they automatically react with hostility to someone from the other side without even listening to what they have to say.
I think people are FAR more similar than they are different.

But do these views have a place on a preppers site? I'm sure they have sites where these posts are relevant.

 

[user 6493]

But do these views have a place on a preppers site? I'm sure they have sites where these posts are relevant.

ole skeet is border line troll himself,,,,

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

While he may have been intentionally combative and argumentative at times, I do think it is tough (and know from experience!) to have liberal views on certain issues yet still identify as a prepper and try to fit in on a prepper forum. So many conservatives and liberals as well are so hateful of the other side that they automatically react with hostility to someone from the other side without even listening to what they have to say.
I think people are FAR more similar than they are different.

I don't disagree with this at all. But you have to be able to look at where you are, the people who are there, and what your posts are going to accomplish.

Skeeter, we agree that the US in a position of having only two political parties with members of both parties being on the extreme end of one side or the other. Too much hate? Yes, I agree. Not enough deliberate, calm conversation? Absolutely.

And part of that comes from folks like Tonto, looking for places to spread discontent. You have to be able to see that's all it was. Did he EVER make a post, relevant to prepping? Anything that didn't intentionally push buttons?

I could easily come on here, and post certain conservative views that I have, that I know for certain other members would have a problem with. Not that they would hate me, but it would just be designed to start an argument. Nobody here is hiding their political affiliations. I suspect we are all CENTER -(left or right), but let's face it, if you are center right, you are going to cop an attitude about non stop assaults on your side. And the same goes for left. It's human nature.

There are websites and forums dedicated to gun control. Some of the members are people who, unfortunately, have lost loved ones to human violence that, in their case, involved a firearm. I don't go there, and post pics of my guns, and me shooting things. For obvious reasons.

I see a website as a home. This is CLYDE's house, we are guests. Some of the members are long term guests, to the point that it has become, in many ways, their house as well. Caretakers.

When I post, it is the same to me as if I was saying it sitting across a table from, say, TexasFreedom. And if I was a complete *******, I would, being an adult who understands that if you intentionally antagonize another adult man sitting across a table from you, understand that at some point TexasFreedom is going to either leave the conversation, or flip the table and give me fat lip. You can't be bitter about getting what you ask for.

So man, post about prepping. I'm having some great conversations with people here, and in real life, about prepping. Instead of being angry and fearful, I am involved in something I enjoy, with some good people. I shouldn't have to tolerate someone just spitting on me and my views. A difference of opinion is one thing, spit in my eye is whole 'nother ball game.

 

[Silent Earth]

We do not have the answer to the worlds problems, nor can we few influence the big picture. What we can do as preppers is minimise the threat from the problems of the world through prepping as they directly affect us and our families, and nothing more.

 

[DrHenley]

ole skeet is border line troll himself,,,,

He is a stealth troll.

 

[Mountain trapper]

There are other groups and forums that are better suited for people like Tonto. The LGBT site would seem be more appropriate for someone as gender challenged and confused as Tonto appears to be. He had no interest in prepping. He just came here to try and stir up sht. At first he was mildly entertaining, but soon his BS got a little annoying. Good riddance Tonto.

 

[user 7704]

There are other groups and forums that are better suited for people like Tonto. The LGBT site would seem be more appropriate for someone as gender challenged and confused as Tonto appears to be. He had no interest in prepping. He just came here to try and stir up sht. At first he was mildly entertaining, but soon his BS got a little annoying. Good riddance Tonto.

None of his topics were the least bit prepper related

 

[Skeeter]

None of his topics were the least bit prepper related

This I can't disagree with, lol. Maybe he took the "general" discussion to mean "miscellaneous" discussion haha

 

[user 6493]

,,,see what I mean

 

[Skeeter]

One thing though, I always invite discussions with people of different viewpoints than my own. That's how one grows and expands their mind, by exposing themselves to new information, new viewpoints, new ways of thinking. It doesn't mean you have to adopt those viewpoints, but it helps with overall perspective.

If you refuse to even interact with people of opposing viewpoints and only interact with people who have the exact same views on everything as you do, your mind becomes hardened and learning & growing becomes increasingly difficult.

 

[Maverick]

One thing though, I always invite discussions with people of different viewpoints than my own. That's how one grows and expands their mind, by exposing themselves to new information, new viewpoints, new ways of thinking. It doesn't mean you have to adopt those viewpoints, but it helps with overall perspective.

If you refuse to even interact with people of opposing viewpoints and only interact with people who have the exact same views on everything as you do, your mind becomes hardened and learning & growing becomes increasingly difficult.

Ok, but to have hot topic buttons that’s going to do nothing but stir up a hornets nest to forums like this, and to do it deliberately to provoke a response. Like going to pro gun forum and open a anti-gun topic it doesn’t fit so why do it!!!

 

[Skeeter]

Ok, but to have hot topic buttons that’s going to do nothing but stir up a hornets nest to forums like this, and to do it deliberately to provoke a response. Like going to pro gun forum and open a anti-gun topic it doesn’t fit so why do it!!!

I definitely agree that doing it for no other reason than to stir up trouble is not an acceptable reason for doing it!

 

[user 7704]

differing opinions on prepping subjects is great. This site isn't the place to debate floral prints vs plaid.

 

[Psalm7]

differing opinions on prepping subjects is great. This site isn't the place to debate floral prints vs plaid.

We could debate Woodland vs Flektarn vs Alpenflage .

 

[Maverick]

We could debate Woodland vs Flektarn vs Alpenflage .

Flecktarn works better here Woodland doesnt break enough Alpenflage haven't played with it much but the pattern works better than woodland where I'm at.

 

[Psalm7]

I like Alpenflage in the spring and fall . Iv been within 10 feet of white tail deer while fall squirrel hunting and they know Im there but cant spot Me . Flectarn and woodland both work well here year round .

 

[user 7704]

Hey, you guys are making fun of me. I'm going to my safe spot.

 

[Maverick]

Hey, you guys are making fun of me. I'm going to my safe spot.

Lol

 

[Maverick]

Hey, you guys are making fun of me. I'm going to my safe spot.

Actually not, camo pattern is very important

 

[user 7704]

Actually not, camo pattern is very important

You mean like when they sent the green Viet Nam type clothing to the first Desert Storm? That was a major camo error.

 

[Kevin L]

I'm barely computer savvy enough to hold my own, and I had to look up "trolling" to get a better idea of what it is.

I believe in airing different ideas...and I like hearing opinions that are different from my own, as I believe that this helps safeguard my outlook against self-deception. Also, a contrary idea shouldn't feel threatening if I honestly believe that I have something that's objectively true (assuming, of course, that objective truth actually exists).

So, where do we draw the line in a grey area between the interchange of different ideas and trolling?

For myself, I'd like to believe that I show respect for ideas that are contrary to my own, but is there more than this if one is to avoid being a troll?

 

[Maverick]

You mean like when they sent the green Viet Nam type clothing to the first Desert Storm? That was a major camo error.

Kind of a mismatch

 

[TexasFreedom]

Kevin,

I think there is more than that. Someone who is completely out of place intentionally can be a troll. A cat walks into a room full of dogs in crates. The dogs can't get to the cat, but the barking explodes. That cat has no purpose there, it's just there to cause trouble.

Now can a cat have a valid point? Sure. Everything has a place and time. But that cat has no point not in a dog kennel.

Same can be said here. An anti-gun, trust-the-gov't, hug-a-tree global climate change liberal is that cat in this kennel.

Can anyone tell me if they are here to hear anti-gun baloney? To hear how climate change is anything other than a joke? That the gov't is doing a great job?

Can anyone tell me one bit of information this cat has brought of value to this forum?

 

[Kevin L]

I had to think a bit before responding, Texas.

I'm very pro gun, but I try to keep abreast of things that the anti-gun people say and believe...if only to be informed on the opposition so that I can be prepared and forwarned.

So yes, I think an anti-gun person would be an asset on this forum.

The same goes for other ideas that may make us re-examine our politics, religious beliefs, and values.

I think it's important to constantly examine our deeply held beliefs to (for no other reason) make sure that we aren't deceiving ourselves on an important issue.

We are, in other words, our own worst enemy when it comes to believing what we want to believe.

 

[TexasFreedom]

Kevin,

I do understand what you are saying, but I still think there is more to it.

I'll stick with the cat example. Sure, dogs want to know what cats do to know how to deal with them out in the yard. The issue/problem is that the behavior of the cat in the room with the dogs in kennels is probably not behaving like a cat outside. The cat is purely there to aggravate the dogs. That is it's purpose and it's not the same behavior as outside. There are no trees to climb in the house!

So I completely agree with you that knowing what liberals are saying is good to keep up with. To know how to defend your beliefs and consider any new information they have. But you can't learn these things from a liberal who comes here to antagonize people. The behavior will be different, their motive is different. A much better option is to just watch the mainstream media 'news'. I want to hear them in their comfort zone, that gives the full story.

Does that make sense?

 

[user 6493]

first off it is wise to keep abreast of what the anti-gun people are doing,,,,on to the trolls

trolls are easy to spot they start a thread or make a post that is off the wall just to see who jumps,,,,,and I have been guilty of jumping,,,I for one am going to make an effort to ignore the occasional troll that swims by,,

I have had words with a few of you but it is a forum we will not always agree,

 

[Debbie Maddox]

Not a troll here. I know i know you werent calling me a troll. Just stepping out there to put my 2cents in. Lol

 

[Roninsensei]

Im a total troll...

 

[lonewolf]

to me a troll is someone who when you don't agree with them resorts to personal abuse.
I have had several experiences of this.
and it seems almost as if prepping forums bring them out.