Food stamps

[Kevin L]

Our Founders did not invision our nation becoming a socialist welfare State. But over time that's exactly what we have become; a socialist welfare State.
Right now there are more job openings than people to fill them. And yet we still have millions of slackers sucking off the government tit. Even on this site I'm surprised at the number of people who support socialism. I have no problem with feeding those who truly need help. But not with tax payer money. There are countless charitable organizations that pass out food to the truly needy.
Why do so many people here support government theft from one person and giving it to someone else? Couldn't your family use that money more than some nameless loser in another part of the country? I know mine can. Socialists find it so easy to spend other people's money.

I only disagree with you in that I don't equate feeding the poor as socialism.

I don't think that food stamps are the answer, and I don't believe in the guarenteed income nonsense that will destroy what's left of Chicago.

We waste huge amounts of food in this country.

It seems like there should be a mechanism in place that could divert some of this waste and use it to feed the poor without hurting anyone financially.

From what I understand (and I could be wrong) prison systems evidentally give "nutriloaf" to the prisoners, which is, apparently, something like a ground-up mish-mash of different waste foods that are compacted into a nutritious loaf.

Keeping the poor from starving by making more efficient use of waste doesn't seem like it would impact anyone's pocketbook...or if it does, not as much as what we have now.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I only disagree with you in that I don't equate feeding the poor as socialism.

I don't think that food stamps are the answer, and I don't believe in the guarenteed income nonsense that will destroy what's left of Chicago.

We waste huge amounts of food in this country.

It seems like there should be a mechanism in place that could divert some of this waste and use it to feed the poor without hurting anyone financially.

From what I understand (and I could be wrong) prison systems evidentally give "nutriloaf" to the prisoners, which is, apparently, something like a ground-up mish-mash of different waste foods that are compacted into a nutritious loaf.

Keeping the poor from starving by making more efficient use of waste doesn't seem like it would impact anyone's pocketbook...or if it does, not as much as what we have now.

My definition of socialism must vary a little from yours. To me ANY social program where the government steals money from the tax payer and distributes to a non tax payer, no matter how well intentioned, is socialism.
Any time money comes out of my pocket book it definitely has an impact on me and my family.
Try doing a little calculations and figure out how much money the government has taken from you for failed social programs over your working career. And what you and your family could have done with that money. And you still want to support ungrateful bums on welfare, that have no intention of ever getting off?

 

[Kevin L]

My definition of socialism must vary a little from yours. To me ANY social program where the government steals money from the tax payer and distributes to a non tax payer, no matter how well intentioned, is socialism.
Any time money comes out of my pocket book it definitely has an impact on me and my family.
Try doing a little calculations and figure out how much money the government has taken from you for failed social programs over your working career. And what you and your family could have done with that money. And you still want to support ungrateful bums on welfare, that have no intention of ever getting off?

I only meant to piont out that waste can be used to feed the poor, which is different from supporting them.

I don't think that the idea of providing nutraloaf is the same thing as giving them lobster, shrimp, junk food, etc. that many welfare recipiants live off of.

If we utilized agricultural and food processing waste to feed the destitute, I don't see it as costing anything since the food would have been wasted anyway.

 

[Brent S]

I only meant to piont out that waste can be used to feed the poor, which is different from supporting them.

I don't think that the idea of providing nutraloaf is the same thing as giving them lobster, shrimp, junk food, etc. that many welfare recipiants live off of.

If we utilized agricultural and food processing waste to feed the destitute, I don't see it as costing anything since the food would have been wasted anyway.

I think your idea, along with many other common sense programs, would be a great start. I agree that just giving money to people that are too stupid to feed themselves is not smart. If they can’t feed themselves how can they be smart enough to make good food choices. I think we should as a nation help keep people from starving. I also think the food they get should be nutritious but not necessarily good enough to want to continue getting it for life....

 

[Kevin L]

I agree.

As a prepper, I always have an eye toward that which is wasted, and repurposing high-quality waste seems like a good way to feed the indigent without breaking the bank.

 

[DrHenley]

From what I understand (and I could be wrong) prison systems evidentally give "nutriloaf" to the prisoners, which is, apparently, something like a ground-up mish-mash of different waste foods that are compacted into a nutritious loaf.

Charlton Heston made a movie about that.

 

[tmttactical]

Charlton Heston made a movie about that.

I believe you are referring to "Soylent Green". US old folks know these things.

 

[DrHenley]

Soylent also made Soylent Red and Soylent Yellow. But the Green tasted better because of the "secret ingredient." LOL

 

[Mountain trapper]

I think your idea, along with many other common sense programs, would be a great start. I agree that just giving money to people that are too stupid to feed themselves is not smart. If they can’t feed themselves how can they be smart enough to make good food choices. I think we should as a nation help keep people from starving. I also think the food they get should be nutritious but not necessarily good enough to want to continue getting it for life....

I agree. And we as a nation already do this. It's called charities. The government should not be in the chairity business.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I agree.

As a prepper, I always have an eye toward that which is wasted, and repurposing high-quality waste seems like a good way to feed the indigent without breaking the bank.

Any "waste" found in government should be returned to the tax payers, not redistributed to others as they see fit. Any government spending should be earmarked only for specific things and surpluses should be returned.

 

[user 6493]

sorry folks but whining about it is not going to make it go away,,,,,it might make you feel better to vent but little is going to change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[tmttactical]

sorry folks but whining about it is not going to make it go away,,,,,it might make you feel better to vent but little is going to change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ah, but changing the names and faces of the folks that vote in these money give aways could (I use the term could loosely) stop or maybe refocus these programs. No work, no eat. Learn to harvest crops and the remove the illegal alien excuse. I don't have any solid belief it will happen but I can keep voting for the folks I hope will make the changes. Still it does not cost anything to vent either.

 

[user 7704]

It's not going to matter because tonight is the blood moon and the end is nigh.....

If I don't see you any more, you have been left behind.

Bye bye fellow preppers.

Seriously, some of the photos that are being posted are beautiful. Especially Cairo.

 

[user 6493]

trying to change the faces is about all we have,,,,,sadly I doubt it will change anything

 

[Kevin L]

I believe you are referring to "Soylent Green". US old folks know these things.

Soylent green was a great movie.

It was based on a novel called "Make Room, Make Room" by the sci-fi genius Harry Harrison.

 

[user 6493]

It's not going to matter because tonight is the blood moon and the end is nigh.....

If I don't see you any more, you have been left behind.

Bye bye fellow preppers.

Seriously, some of the photos that are being posted are beautiful. Especially Cairo.

I am not so worried about being left behind,,,,,heck all my friends will still be here

 

[TexasFreedom]

First, Robin, thanks for the humor! It seems we're getting a rapture prediction about once a month nowadays... it is not for us to know when. But yes, the signs are all there.

From what I understand (and I could be wrong) prison systems evidentally give "nutriloaf" to the prisoners, which is, apparently, something like a ground-up mish-mash of different waste foods that are compacted into a nutritious loaf.

It's been a couple of years, but I spent a good bit of time doing ministry in prisons. Never heard of this nutriloaf stuff. Now it may be new, but I really doubt it. Now what they serve in prison can barely be called 'food', but I have no problem with prisoners eating horrible food. They can enjoy cable TV, they do need to suffer for their actions in some ways.

I think we should as a nation help keep people from starving.

I have no problem with some people starving. If you take a healthy adult who refuses to work but is capable, and they don't have family to care for them, then sure. They can starve as far as I'm concerned and I won't weep a tear. And yes, such people exist... too lazy to feed themselves. So let them starve. Yes, people who are mental or such, give them just enough. And I'm not sure you disagree, I just wanted to make sure...

 

[DrHenley]

I just...I really just don't comprehend the state of the penal system in most of this country.

Because I grew up in Mississippi. I thought we had it right with our state penitentiary, Parchman.
At Parchman, they eat fresh meat and veggies...that they grow themselves. (unbelievable right?) People thought that was cruel.

 

[user 7704]

I just...I really just don't comprehend the state of the penal system in most of this country.

Because I grew up in Mississippi. I thought we had it right with our state penitentiary, Parchman.
At Parchman, they eat fresh meat and veggies...that they grow themselves. (unbelievable right?) People thought that was cruel.

The local county detention centers (jails) have gardens that are maintained by the inmates. They also do the road garbage cleanups.

 

[Brent S]

The local county detention centers (jails) have gardens that are maintained by the inmates. They also do the road garbage cleanups.

I don’t think,prisoners need to be tortured and abused by any means. I do however think they need to work, helping to provide for their own sustenance at the very least. I don’t see any difference between food stamps either. I have to work every day wether I like it or not, anyone receiving aid should too. I don’t care if it’s cutting grass, picking up trash, watching kids of others so they can work, etc. Most everyone is capable of something, and if not they could show up and be bored every day at least. Maybe then some might get a little more ambition in life.

 

[lonewolf]

we don't have food stamps in the UK-at least I have never heard of them. what we do have is food banks, it seems as soon as anyone is made unemployed they head straight for the food bank, nobody seems to have heard of larders whilst they were working.
we didn't have food banks when I was unemployed, we had to survive on our own.

 

[Brent S]

we don't have food stamps in the UK-at least I have never heard of them. what we do have is food banks, it seems as soon as anyone is made unemployed they head straight for the food bank, nobody seems to have heard of larders whilst they were working.
we didn't have food banks when I was unemployed, we had to survive on our own.

I think that would be a better option than giving money away by far.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I just...I really just don't comprehend the state of the penal system in most of this country.

Because I grew up in Mississippi. I thought we had it right with our state penitentiary, Parchman.
At Parchman, they eat fresh meat and veggies...that they grow themselves. (unbelievable right?) People thought that was cruel.

I think it was back in the '60's that many prison systems were sued for forcing prisoners to work in prison gardens. They equated it to "slavery". I think it was more the food catering companies that were behind the suits. They wanted the lucrative prison food service contracts.

 

[lonewolf]

i'm not sure how much of a help it is, according to the rules they are supposed to be given 3 days food and they can go a maximum of 3 times, i'm not sure how 9 days food is going to help in the long run.

 

[lonewolf]

I think it was back in the '60's that many prison systems were sued for forcing prisoners to work in prison gardens. They equated it to "slavery". I think it was more the food catering companies that were behind the suits. They wanted the lucrative prison food service contracts.

i'm not too sure what food stamps has to do with prisons.

 

[user 7704]

i'm not too sure what food stamps has to do with prisons.

It started with people needing to work for benefits then it expanded to even prisoners need to work, etc. The conversation evolved.

Did you get to see the blood moon Paul?

 

[lonewolf]

Did you get to see the blood moon Paul?

no, I didn't.

 

[DrPrepper1]

I think it was back in the '60's that many prison systems were sued for forcing prisoners to work in prison gardens. They equated it to "slavery". I think it was more the food catering companies that were behind the suits. They wanted the lucrative prison food service contracts.

I have no idea of how to fix the problem, but I also think it has to do with more than just the people themselves. I could see the food industry behind such a movement. There is a lot of money to be made. I also think people have stores like Walmart as their main option. I eat very few processed foods. I like to know what the heck I am eating. Every once and a while I will go up and down the isles of Walmart and look at the "food" choices. I am always blown away at what people call "food" now a days. Especially younger people. I have a few coworkers that are around 30 and some in their late 20s the only thing they know is what comes in a box, just add water, and microwave..or just open it and eat it kind of foods. I even have 2 friends that are vegetarians, but hate vegetables ?!?! Someone mentioned teaching people to cook from scratch. I would agree, and I think it is a lost art. ..for the most part. If you took out processed foods, people wouldn't know what to do. These processed foods cost more and come in name brands. I bet if the food stamp allotment was lowered to make people make harder choices, the food industry would step in some kind of way with some similar movement.

 

[user 7704]

What I have never understood are parents who woyld rather drive thru McDonald's every time little Johnny or Jennifer have an after school event. Which is almost daily.

I, on the other hand, found that a slow cooker was the answer. You can have wholesome, healthy meals when you get home rather than eating fast food every night.

 

[Dani]

What I have never understood are parents who woyld rather drive thru McDonald's every time little Johnny or Jennifer have and after school event. Which is almost daily.

I on the other hand found that a slow cooker was the answer. You can have wholesome, healthy meals when you get home rather than eating fast food every night.

When I worked full time, my crockpot was my time saver after a long day, but then hunny actually cooked some of those meals too. I still use it for days I know will be hectic or if hunny gives me the heads up that we will be doing something when I should be cooking dinner.
There are actually people who wonder why our nation has one of the highest obese records. Just take a look around. It's not that hard to figure out.